KMRC announce LBSC ‘Open A’ SR Diagram 1369 & 1364 five plank open wagon range in 00 Gauge.

[Kernow MRC]

Kernow Model Rail Centre announce LBSC ‘Open A’, SR Diagram 1369 & 1364 five plank open wagon range in 00 Gauge as exclusive models with the tooling designed, developed, and owned by Kernow Model Rail Centre.

The 10-ton five plank ‘Open A’ wagon later  SR Diagram 1369 on a wooden underframe became the most numerous LBSC wagon comprising of over 3,500 wagons built between 1905 and 1926. The distinctive curved ends allowed the fitting of a tarpaulin sheet rail.

The first versions built from 1905 had brake gear on one side only and ‘J’ / ‘hockey stick’ diagonal framing. They were soon fitted with ‘Freighter’ style brakes on each side with a single vee Hanger. From 1912 the diagonal strapping changed to be straight at the bottom end.

After approximately 1914 double vee hangers were fitted and these could either be mounted in front and immediately behind the solebar, or the rear pair hung from the middle longitudinal timbers with a short connecting rod between the two.

 

Those built from 1924-6 had square ends and no sheet rail and were given diagram 1364, many of those built with round ends were also cut down to square ends and most but not all were re-diagrammed in the registers to diagram 1364.

 

General withdrawal on the mainland of the diagram 1369 and diagram 1364 open wagons took place between the years 1944-7, and relatively few survived to receive British Railways livery.

 

Isle of Wight

450 of these wagons were shipped to the Isle of Wight between 1924 and 1931 with one in 1934 and a final six in 1947.

All the Isle of Wight wagons had square ends (diagram 1364); except the first 20 (diagram 1369), these were later altered becoming diagram 1364.

Unlike those on the mainland these wagons survived well into British Railways ownership and gained BR unfitted grey livery with lettering on black patches. By 1955 320 remined in service, and this was reduced to 150 by 1962.

 

Preservation

A number of these wagons are preserved with examples at the Bluebell Railway, Isle of Wight Steam Railway, and the Telford Steam Railway.

 

The KMRC Models

The KMRC tooling suite allows for the diagram 1369 with post 1912 diagonal strapping, rounded ends and fully posable sheet rail in any position between vertical or side positions; and the diagram 1364 square ended (as converted from D1369) and those built new between 1924-6; all on a wooden chassis, with either 8 open spoke or LBSC 4-hole disc wheels and either LB&SCR, SR lettered or plain axle box covers. Brake options allow for single inside or outside and double and middle Vee Hangers along with plain tapered or ribbed taper shank buffers.

The specification of the model includes highly detailed body and chassis, prototypical brake gear and safety loops fitted, fully posable sheet rail (diagram 1369) sprung metal buffers, etched brake handles that can also be posed in the ‘on’ position complete with locking peg chains, coupling hooks and metal three link couplings.

The models are currently in production, the RRP is £32.99 but we offer an early bird order payment in advance price of £29.99 each. Initially eight diagram 1369 and eleven diagram 1364 (including eight Isle of Wight) versions are available, allowing for multiple running numbers per livery:

Diagram 1369

• SB009A LBSC Diagram 1369 5 plank open wagon in LBSC Grey livery No. 4342
• SB009B LBSC Diagram 1369 5 plank open wagon in LBSC Grey livery No. 4206
• SB009C LBSC Diagram 1369 5 plank open wagon in SR Pre 1936 brown livery No. 24290
• SB009D LBSC Diagram 1369 5 plank open wagon in SR Pre 1936 Brown livery No. 23042
• SB009E LBSC Diagram 1369 5 plank open wagon in SR Post 1936 livery No. 23062
• SB009F LBSC Diagram 1369 5 plank open wagon in SR Post 1936 livery No. 22512
• SB009R LBSC Diagram 1369 5 plank open wagon in LBSC Grey livery (As Preserved on Bluebell Railway) No. 3346
• SB009S LBSC Diagram 1369 5 plank open wagon in SR Pre 1936 brown livery No. 23221

Diagram 1364

• SB009G SR Diagram 1364 5 plank open wagon in SR Pre 1936 brown livery No. 22615
• SB009H SR Diagram 1364 5 plank open wagon in SR Pre 1936 brown livery Isle of Wight No. 28422
• SB009J SR Diagram 1364 5 plank open wagon in SR Post 1936 brown livery Isle of Wight No. 27842
• SB009K SR Diagram 1364 5 plank open wagon in BR Brown livery Isle of Wight No. S28404
• SB009L SR Diagram 1364 5 plank open wagon in BR Grey livery Isle of Wight No. S27875
• SB009M SR Diagram 1364 5 plank open wagon in BR Grey livery Isle of Wight No. 28391
• SB009N SR Diagram 1364 5 plank open wagon in BR Grey livery Isle of Wight No. S19072
• SB009P SR Diagram 1364 5 plank open wagon in SR Pre 1936 brown livery Isle of Wight (As Preserved on Isle of Wight Steam Railway) No. 28345
• SB009Q SR Diagram 1364 5 plank open wagon in SR Post 1936 brown livery Isle of Wight (As Preserved on Isle of Wight Steam Railway) No. 27834
• SB009T SR Diagram 1364 5 plank open wagon in SR Pre 1936 brown livery Isle of Wight No. 27724
• SB009U SR Diagram 1364 5 plank open wagon in SR Pre 1936 brown livery Isle of Wight (As Preserved on Isle of Wight Steam Railway) No. 27730

 

For more details and to order click here https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/pg/234/KMRC-Wagon---LBSC-5-Plank-Wagon---00-Gauge 

 

Graham Muspratt, Development Manager, said: “The numerous LBSC 5 plank ‘Open A’ wagons of both Diagrams 1369 and 1364 could be seen all over the LBSC/SR network and lasted even longer into British Railways days on the Isle of Wight. We hope these will be popular amongst LBSC / SR mainland and Isle of Wight modellers alike. Our tooling suite covers many detail permutations to be able to offer a number of variations across the range.”

Edited June 3 by Kernow MRC

[Kernow MRC]

Bump

[Garethp8873]

Sign me up already!! There happens to be one as well at the SVR, but it's in very poor condition.

 

Edited May 17 by Garethp8873

[JSpencer]

Brilliant news. Well done Kernow and Graham.

 

Order straight in for 4 of them. Just when I was building a kit too.... LOL

 

I love those curved ends often seen on pre-grouping wagons.

 

[BMacdermott]

Hello Graham and everyone

 

Many congratulations to you and KMRC on these announcements.

 

We listed these wagons individually for the first time in The 00 Wishlist Poll 2022  (the last Poll to run before we run again near Christmas this year). Previously, they had been 'aggregated' under the generic heading of LBSCR Wagons, Vans & Brake Vans.

 

They were High Polling.

 

We wish you every success with the project.

 

As a footnote, we have worked with many clubs and societies to 'disaggregate' our wagon listings and you will see a lot more 'individual listings' of pre-Group vehicles as these as well as certain other items.

 

Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

 

 

[Olive_Green1923]

Well done Kernow. These look excellent and are a great addition to the Rapido wagons - it really is a great time to be a Brighton modeller. The level of detail looks fantastic, right down to the chains on the brake leavers. If these ever get released in O gauge then my bank balance will be facing major issues.

[Garethp8873]

The year of the pre-grouping wagon... Caledonian Dia.67 Goods Vans & LBSCR/GN/SECR 7 Planks from Rapido and LBSCR 1369 & 1364 Opens from Kernow. I've said it once and I'll say it again we're are being spoiled for the pre-grouping scene 😊

 

Edited May 17 by Garethp8873

[phil gollin]

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Excellent news.

 

Silly question  -  Are there any markings on the "Isle of Wight" ones which would make them obviously different from their mainland equivalents ???

 

Thanks

 

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[NHY 581]

Whoop whoop !! 

 

 

 

Now.................What about a LBSCR Brake van and a covered van and there's your basic pre-grouping goods train...but, subject to their continuity ( inextricably linked to commercial viability ) could the van and brake van also be pre-WW1, as per the round ended opens ? 

 

Hooves crossed. 

 

Rob

[Skinnylinny]

2 hours ago, Garethp8873 said:

Sign me up already!! There happens to be one as well at the SVR, but it's in very poor condition.

 

That would appear to be one of the earlier-built ones as mentioned on the Kernow website:
 

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The first versions built from 1905 had brake gear on one side only and ‘J’ / ‘hockey stick’ diagonal framing. They were soon fitted with ‘Freighter’ style brakes on each side with a single vee Hanger. From 1912 the diagonal strapping changed to be straight at the bottom end.

I assume by 'J'/'hocket stick' diagonal framing they're referring to the side knee washer plates. 

[Pre Grouping fan]

Having had a sneak peak at the Isle of Wight Steam Railway model show last weekend courtesy of Graham. I can say these are cracking little models. 

 

Will be ordering a few.

[spamcan61]

10 minutes ago, Skinnylinny said:

That would appear to be one of the earlier-built ones as mentioned on the Kernow website:
 

I assume by 'J'/'hocket stick' diagonal framing they're referring to the side knee washer plates. 

I think they're referring to this bit:-

[JSpencer]

28 minutes ago, NHY 581 said:

Whoop whoop !! 

 

 

 

Now.................What about a LBSCR Brake van and a covered van and there's your basic pre-grouping goods train...but, subject to their continuity ( inextricably linked to commercial viability ) could the van and brake van also be pre-WW1, as per the round ended opens ? 

 

Hooves crossed. 

 

Rob

 

Rapido has hinted at one in the works. Of course there are still plenty of the 1980's Hornby one with silver seal wheels 😅

[GMKAT7]

Good afternoon folks,

 

Well, just as I have got my Cambrian D1369 kit ready for LBSCR livery  painting what gets announced!? 😃

 

Anyway, an order will be going in for another LBSCR one, just have to be careful how I number the kit-built one.

 

Like Rob G (NHY 581), a brake van would be appreciated too.Cheers

 

Edit: spelling error (van not can).

Single vee hanger LBSCR model now ordered 😃.

 

Cheers, Nigel.

Edited May 17 by GMKAT7
Added info. Typo.

[Compound2632]

17 hours ago, Kernow MRC said:

Graham Muspratt, Development Manager, said: “The numerous LBSC 5 plank ‘Open A’ wagons of both Diagrams 1369 and 1364 could be seen all over the LBSC/SR network and lasted even longer into British Railways days on the Isle of Wight. We hope these will be popular amongst LBSC / SR mainland and Isle of Wight modellers alike. Our tooling suite covers many detail permutations to be able to offer a number of variations across the range.”

 

Don't undersell your product!

 

They could in principle be seen all over the country from 1917 onwards, thanks to the common user agreement (pooling) for ordinary open wagons. Every LNER modeller should have one!

[Compound2632]

5 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

They could in principle be seen all over the country from 1917 onwards, thanks to the common user agreement (pooling) for ordinary open wagons. Every LNER modeller should have one!

 

And in practice too. Every LMS modeller should have one!

 

 

Embedded link to Warwickshire Railways image lnwrrm881e, Rugby, late 1920s, part of a postcard view of the NW approaches. (Thanks to a wagon-spotting correspondent who reads but does not post here.)

Edited May 17 by Compound2632

[Compound2632]

Looking again at that Rugby photo, I have the impression that while the interior of the wagon is unpainted wood as usual, the inside on the round ends above the top of the sides is darker - maybe painted body colour? I note that the models illustrated in the OP are body colour inside and out, but of course these are pre-production samples so I suppose may not represent the final decoration.

[Mr chapman]

1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

Looking again at that Rugby photo, I have the impression that while the interior of the wagon is unpainted wood as usual, the inside on the round ends above the top of the sides is darker - maybe painted body colour? I note that the models illustrated in the OP are body colour inside and out, but of course these are pre-production samples so I suppose may not represent the final decoration.

I believe I have seen models painted that way before so I suspect that is correct for at least some of them.

 

Well done to kernow again picking a good subject. Cambrian really have taken a kicking in the last couple of years. 

[RodneyS]

8 hours ago, JSpencer said:

Of course there are still plenty of the 1980's Hornby one with silver seal wheels 😅

The wheels were probably the best bit !  The rest of the model is not very accurate.

The prototypes  were built in 1922 so are not much use to many Brighton modellers.

Rodney

[JSpencer]

11 hours ago, Garethp8873 said:

Sign me up already!! There happens to be one as well at the SVR, but it's in very poor condition.

 

 

I suspect this will eventually end up in scrap. Maybe me, but I seem to notice an uplift of various preserved lines trying to sell items that they don't have space for and/or cannot preserve.

[Roy Langridge]

2 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

 

Off topic, and asking as someone not very good at identifying wagons, what is the van standing on its own on the righthand side? Obviously vented and seems to have offset doors on the sides. 
 

Thanks in advance,

 

Roy

[KAR 120C]

2 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

Looking again at that Rugby photo, I have the impression that while the interior of the wagon is unpainted wood as usual, the inside on the round ends above the top of the sides is darker - maybe painted body colour? I note that the models illustrated in the OP are body colour inside and out, but of course these are pre-production samples so I suppose may not represent the final decoration.

Perhaps someone from Kernow could put our minds at rest and confirm how the wagon interiors are going to be finished.

[Compound2632]

21 minutes ago, Roy Langridge said:

Off topic, and asking as someone not very good at identifying wagons, what is the van standing on its own on the righthand side? Obviously vented and seems to have offset doors on the sides. 

 

That's one of the infinite variety of LMS 12 ton vans, with sliding doors, external vertical and diagonal bracing to the left of the door, internal to the right, since it slides to the right. A fitted example of D1664 or D1676? Fresh out of the paint shop, hence the very pale grey.

[wainwright1]

2 hours ago, Mr chapman said:

I believe I have seen models painted that way before so I suspect that is correct for at least some of them.

 

Well done to kernow again picking a good subject. Cambrian really have taken a kicking in the last couple of years. 

The SE&CR painted the interior of the ends of some of their open wagons like that, down to the level of the wagon side top.

[Nile]

Just looked in "Southern Wagons vol.2" and there also photos of these wagons with completely unpainted interiors, in SR days. So a mixed picture regarding the round topped ends.