First all blue BR diesels

[D605Eagle]

Just to add another twist to this interesting tail, is there any information to what locos carried blue with small yellow panels?

Jim

[Downendian]

Just to add another twist to this interesting tail, is there any information to what locos carried blue with small yellow panels? Jim

OK I'll kick things off with the diesel-hydraulics - I agree it was ending up a "last in BR blue" thread rather than the OP.

 

Class 22 D6300, D6303, D6313, D6314, D6327

 

Class 35 D7004 D7007 (both with blue window surrounds, D7004 eventually had white) D7010, D7012, D7027, D7034, D7036, D7040, D7046, D7047, D7048, D7051 (as per D7004/7), D7052, D7056, D7057, D7064; D7086(?)

 

Class 41 (edit) D602

 

Class 42 D830 and D831

 

Class 52 D1017, D1030, D1036, D1037, D1043, D1047, D1057

 

I think these are pretty accurate although I may have missed some BSYP Hymeks that ended up BFYE, please post is you know any more.

[Russell Saxton]

OK I'll kick things off with the diesel-hydraulics - I agree it was ending up a "last in BR blue" thread rather than the OP.

 

Class 22 D6300, D6303, D6313, D6314, D6327

 

Class 35 D7004 D7007 (both with blue window surrounds, D7004 eventually had white) D7010, D7012, D7027, D7034, D7036, D7040, D7046, D7047, D7048, D7051 (as per D7004/7), D7052, D7056, D7057, D7064; D7086(?)

 

Class 42 D830 and D831

Class 52 D1017, D1030, D1036, D1037, D1043, D1047, D1057

 

I think these are pretty accurate although I may have missed some BSYP Hymeks that ended up BFYE, please post is you know any more.

 

 

Theres quite a lot, 20 odd peaks (though i am sure NOT including D4) D5389, D602 plis others.

[Russell Saxton]

Slightly off topic but in this months RI I have published an article listing green to blue dates for all the 40s.

[MUTTLEY]

OK I'll kick things off with the diesel-hydraulics - I agree it was ending up a "last in BR blue" thread rather than the OP.

 

Class 22 D6300, D6303, D6313, D6314, D6327

 

Class 35 D7004 D7007 (both with blue window surrounds, D7004 eventually had white) D7010, D7012, D7027, D7034, D7036, D7040, D7046, D7047, D7048, D7051 (as per D7004/7), D7052, D7056, D7057, D7064; D7086(?)

 

Class 41 (edit) D602

 

Class 42 D830 and D831

 

Class 52 D1017, D1030, D1036, D1037, D1043, D1047, D1057

 

I think these are pretty accurate although I may have missed some BSYP Hymeks that ended up BFYE, please post is you know any more.

 

 

I didn't know about D6313 D6314 and D1043............

 

Can also add D5021, D5026, D5218 and D5226. These all had the L&W emblem though. D5021 retained this livery, but with FYE into TOPS as 24021.

 

Rgds, Ron.

[MUTTLEY]

Slightly off topic but in this months RI I have published an article listing green to blue dates for all the 40s.

 

 

NOW YER JUST SHOWING OFF!!!

 

The "snickering hound", is off to do some 'tec work on D290 and D361.

 

I'm also "fairly sure" that 307 was blue before its visit to Derby in 1973 and that 229 was also blue, well before the quoted date.

 

Other than that...job well done lad........

 

Ron.

[robertcwp]

There was a thread on BSYP, principally Peaks, on the old forum:

 

Old RM WEB blue SYP

 

Also one on here:

 

Blue SYP Peak

[Russell Saxton]

I didn't know about D6313 D6314 and D1043............

 

Can also add D5021, D5026, D5218 and D5226. These all had the L&W emblem though. D5021 retained this livery, but with FYE into TOPS as 24021.

 

Rgds, Ron.

 

 

D6313 wasnt. 6300/3/14/27 were.

[Russell Saxton]

NOW YER JUST SHOWING OFF!!!

 

The "snickering hound", is off to do some 'tec work on D290 and D361.

 

I'm also "fairly sure" that 307 was blue before its visit to Derby in 1973 and that 229 was also blue, well before the quoted date.

 

Other than that...job well done lad........

 

Ron.

 

I shall pin a medal on your motheaten chest if you do.

 

229 was blue on 17/4/73 not 74, a typo crept in there. I shall inform RI. 307 is not at all in the Crewe Works paintshop records and they go to Autumn 1973. Anything you have on this one welcomed.

[Russell Saxton]

This from David Rapson. Fills a gap or two.

 

 

290 - I can confirm it was still green with full yellow ends on 11.12.72 but I didn't see it again until 04.04.74 by which time it was blue of course.

 

361 - This loco was green with full yellow ends on 11.12.72 and blue with cabside emblems on 18.03.73 when I also noted that it had its numbers at a lower height than usual level with the cab floor (i.e the bottom of the driver's door). Very odd.

 

 

Im guessing that 290 went blue sometime late 73 as itwas not green TOPS.

[Russell Saxton]

Update. 290 was GFYE in Dec 1972 and blue March 73. So in works jan/feb 1973 and repaint probably mid feb.

[Russell Saxton]

Me and Muttley have been deliberating over what was the last BSYP loco or unit to remain in service.

 

Loco was probably a hymek as some were withdrawn in Jan 1972 like it and one western remained so till 1971 but a shot of DMU Sc51117 in service 4/9/74 has surfaced which is a hot contender.

 

However, on 10 sept 1980 me and a few mates bashed Croxley Green (we were pretty thorough in bashing all the depots on BR) and dumped there were a few 504 EMUs from the Bury line. Why in London I have no idea. 77157 was green, 77158 maroon, 65443 was blue with FYE extended round the cab edges and 77163 was BSYP. All were listed in the 1980 (yes 1980!) combine checked to Dec 1979 so were in capital stock, but were shown as stored as far back as the 1976 locoshed checked to November 1975. I doubt any had turned a wheel since about 1970 judging by the condition. I didnt have my camera as I often didnt then but it didnt matter because at that age you and all the world are immortal and nothing will ever change. Wonder if anyone photted them?

[brian daniels]

Here are a couple of the units you saw at Croxley Green at Didcot in February 1981 en-route to Swindon Works.

[robertcwp]

Some Manchester-Bury units were stored in the late 1960s. These were kept in the open at Bury until transferred to Croxley Green c1978, but never ran in service again. One of the stored vehicles was converted to run in Class 302 unit 244 in 1970, replacing a collision-damaged vehicle.

 

Hymek D7007 was IIRC withdrawn in 1972 still in blue with small yellow panels and blue cab window frames, a livery style carried by only three of the class.

[Crossfell5]

Russell wrote

'361 - This loco was green with full yellow ends on 11.12.72 and blue with cabside emblems on 18.03.73 when I also noted that it had its numbers at a lower height than usual level with the cab floor (i.e the bottom of the driver's door). Very odd'.

 

This loco may have kept the low number throughout the rest of its life - it definately carried the TOPS number like it as well!

[Russell Saxton]

Here are a couple of the units you saw at Croxley Green at Didcot in February 1981 en-route to Swindon Works.

 

 

Thats 65443 at the back.

[Russell Saxton]

Another update. 290 was GFYE in Crewe Works erecting shop 9/12/73. Getting closer!

[Russell Saxton]

More 504s at northampton in 1981.

 

http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/MOAPG/UK/uk_504.htm

[Simon Lee]

Hi,

 

Further to the discussion on the Dairycoates 37's I've recently boutght a slide showing 6781 and 6836 at Dairycoates on 4/3/67, both GSYP. I believe its one of the old GTR slides.

 

Hope this is of interest.

 

Simon

[Russell Saxton]

Hi,

 

Further to the discussion on the Dairycoates 37's I've recently boutght a slide showing 6781 and 6836 at Dairycoates on 4/3/67, both GSYP. I believe its one of the old GTR slides.

 

Hope this is of interest.

 

Simon

 

 

Yes indeed, any chance of a look? all the 37s were GSYP in march 1967 I think but Im unsure exactly when the very first went rail blue, not much later than this though.

[Xerces Fobe2]

Here are a couple of the units you saw at Croxley Green at Didcot in February 1981 en-route to Swindon Works.

 

These units are all 501's however they left Croxley Green depot @ 1971 and were transferred to the Southern for use on bogie trials for the (then in development) 2 and 4 PEP prototypes later known as 2 and 4 PER for a while! They were numbered 051 and 052 were initially base at Redhill. I have seen a photo of them in action, formed as a 3-car unit with the outer ends being DMBS's and the centre car being a DTBS.

 

When this work was completed they transferred to Strawberry Hill Depot with1 DTBS being heavily modified to become Test Coach MARS and paired with 4CEP DMS. Later this coach was painted in NSE livery, the only non powered 501 coach to achieve this. The other slightly better know 501 from the batch was the 501 Strawberry Hill "Beastie" which was a DMBS with windows (not a cab) cut in the non driving end and painted malachite green. This unit was used as a Depot shunter in order to move Class 465/6 Networker units around the depot when they were being commissioned there and on the Shepperton Branch. This unit was not an official conversion and was restricted to the depot confines, however a Strawberry Hill mole told me that it did venture to Shepperton on one occasion (under engineers possession of the Shepperton Branch) to recover a Networker that had run into difficulties. The Beastie was a scrapped @ February 2008 and just by chance I was travelling to London from Shepperton at this time and saw it just before it's demise - If only I had a camera with me!

 

The other 501 coaches were stored out in the open in the sidings at the Shepperton branch end of Strawberry Hill Depot I have it on good authority that 1 or possibly 2 501 coaches were taken into the depot and used as test rigs for sliding doors which involved removing much of the body work; I think these coaches are shown in the Didcot photo. All the units in that photo are 501's and have a coach from the one of each of the small number of 501's painted in Blue livery with a half yellow of full wrap around yellow end.

 

I can understand the confusion that could be caused because in the late 1970's Class 504 units were stored and used as a source of spare for 501's one of which had wrap around full yellow ends like the 501 in this picture however the units in the picture were from Strawberry Hill.

 

 

My attempt to remember The Beatie!

 

 

Xerces Fobe

[Downendian]

I'd also question 37186, 37226, 37228, 37256, 47147, 08106, 47136, 47263, 08380, 25101 and quite a few of the locos apparently remaining green in Nov 1975 look EXCEEDINGLY iffy to me. I'd need to dig deeper and spend a little more time on it than I have at the moment.

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Just returning to this ancient thread, as I have renumbered a couple of GFYE 25/2s today in TOPS numbers. 25101 from the ICRS list appears a dud, I've spotted a photo in Kevin Derrick's (Strathwood) Seventies spotting days on the ER of 25101 at Wath in BR blue, dated Sept 1974.

Russ's list is what I work from and 25 294/305 were my choices today.

What has happened to the Railblue website? An excellent resource that I often looked up.

Neil

[leopardml2341]

What has happened to the Railblue website? An excellent resource that I often looked up.

Neil

Yeah, where's it gone?

I'd been looking to point you towards that, Neil, ref my comment on your Downedian Details post showing the Class 25s. Obviously you knew about it already, but I'd like to know where it's gone too as it fits eminently with the period I'm modelling.

 

Rgds,

[keefer]

seems the site has been suspended since last year, but there is an entry at the 'wayback machine':

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20160708061130/http://www.railblue.com/

[rodent279]

Apologies if this question has already been answered, but, apart from new builds, which class was first fully in blue? I would imagine the Deltics, but someone probably knows better!