Michael Delamar Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 we had a good thread on old rmweb http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=43999&hilit=D133 Im not sure if theres been one here since, I did try to find it as I wanted to add this shot Ive just come across too it http://lickeyarchive.photobook.org.uk/p63710318.html cheers Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Oh she's gorgeous, and I'll be linking that uber-fine spot to my Waverley thread somewhere, because she is a confirmed Waverley Route performer, and as such fair game for the retro treatment from a 45053. Have a cyberpint on me for that find, absolutely incredible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 It's about time Bachmann did their Peak in this livery - there were around 20 45s in BSYP. Here's one Brian Kirby repainted for me: The old thread linked above also mentioned the Blue Trains with experimental warning panels. I recently bought an original colour slide of one - unfortunately only a half-frame shot, so not brilliant: AM3 with chevrons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted April 29, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 29, 2010 that's a fantastic pic robert! (AM3 pic - them pesky wabbits!) as if things weren't complicated enough! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 29, 2010 Author Share Posted April 29, 2010 Nice shot Robert, if its ok I think we should continue the old thread here Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 Nothing like as clear as Mike's link to D92, but D50 on the same site was another BSYP Peak. In fact the whole gallery has a lot of diesel interest, including what might be one of the earliest class 31 workings over Lickey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 3, 2010 Author Share Posted May 3, 2010 just come across this shot, not great photo quality but content is another blue peak with syp. http://graham1740.fotopic.net/p39147721.html Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 You are not going to like me for this one Robert but I dont think 119 was early blue..... There is a shot of it in Kev derrick's heritage traction in colour-the peaks but if you look closely it looks like 109 which was early blue. 119 was reported in green in Derby Works on July 19 1969 as one of the last few to remain in that colour. It was also listed as lined green in jan 1968 Railway Observer as of September 1967. I dont have iron proof but strong cicumstantial evidence says it wasnt. It's about time Bachmann did their Peak in this livery - there were around 20 45s in BSYP. Here's one Brian Kirby repainted for me: The old thread linked above also mentioned the Blue Trains with experimental warning panels. I recently bought an original colour slide of one - unfortunately only a half-frame shot, so not brilliant: AM3 with chevrons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 You are not going to like me for this one Robert but I dont think 119 was early blue..... There is a shot of it in Kev derrick's heritage traction in colour-the peaks but if you look closely it looks like 109 which was early blue. 119 was reported in green in Derby Works on July 19 1969 as one of the last few to remain in that colour. It was also listed as lined green in jan 1968 Railway Observer as of September 1967. I dont have iron proof but strong cicumstantial evidence says it wasnt. Yes, it should have been D109 but I went with the caption, which stated (wrongly) D119. Looking at the photo again under a magnifying glass I can see it is D109. However, it's not going to change now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 Thats an absolutely smashing picture, full of interest. Regards. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Another plain green without bottom stripe here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5654692996/lightbox/ As D14 was not the subject of the shot it might have been 'missed' Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Now here's a thing: '26' in BFYE with no D. April '68 - before the end of steam. Is this right? http://www.dieselimagegallery.com/detail/55-class-45;class-450;45;450;26;Peak;Type-4;Sulzer;Blue;Rail-Blue;full-yellow-front;steam-heat;Derby;Derby-station;1M51;water-crane;2341968;1968;Jim-Binnie;0439;26_1_S.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Now here's a thing: '26' in BFYE with no D. April '68 - before the end of steam. Is this right? http://www.dieselimagegallery.com/detail/55-class-45;class-450;45;450;26;Peak;Type-4;Sulzer;Blue;Rail-Blue;full-yellow-front;steam-heat;Derby;Derby-station;1M51;water-crane;2341968;1968;Jim-Binnie;0439;26_1_S.html A couple of locos had no D prefix before steam ended, we had at least one green type 3 at Dairycoates that had no D before the end of steam. Al Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 14, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 14, 2013 Now here's a thing: '26' in BFYE with no D. April '68 - before the end of steam. Is this right? http://www.dieselimagegallery.com/detail/55-class-45;class-450;45;450;26;Peak;Type-4;Sulzer;Blue;Rail-Blue;full-yellow-front;steam-heat;Derby;Derby-station;1M51;water-crane;2341968;1968;Jim-Binnie;0439;26_1_S.html Hi Chard 1M51 would not be a Manchester to London train. Is the caption correct? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Hmmmm... I need to do loads more research on that photo, Clive. If the date's correct, the service could have come via the Peak main line. The lack of the D-prefix on a 45 makes me suspect the date, and the line closed before steam was extinct, so I'm inclined to think the train is a Newcastle - Birmingham or the like, date unknown but possibly April '69. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 This may be either a red herring, or a long shot at evidence, but I thought there were station nameplates fixed to the end of those concrete platforms awnings in the late 1960s? There certainly was one at the end of platform 2/3 in Feb 1969, which had been removed by early 1971, but I cannot remember about platform 4/5. Example of what I mean here - http://www.flickr.com/photos/23256063@N02/2686597024/in/photolist-56pvGm-aiqEcW-dEGK5m-dfjggq-eKE3dk-ac8FAm-dKpPxp-bx5UWt-bx5Qxn-fxYaDS-9uCn3o-9uCJEf-cAxj5Y-cAxi5w-7fQsmp-c5UM2N-cAxe2Y-cAxeY9-cAxewY-cAxjAA-cAxfnd-9uCKmY-aUHM6a-aiYb7G-an8z24-9uCGKA-9uzLKK-9uqA9h-9uCjhw-9uzxuP-9uCumd-9uCEEU-9uqD77-9uzMpr-9uCizj-9uzF7T-9uzv56-9uCNCj-9uzwLT-daHRm-dkHjJw-e34gMP-mJ1xV-9eEFme-9uCHzJ-9uqCG1-9unDat-9uzk9k-9unDKz-9uqG5w-9unEhc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 This may be either a red herring, or a long shot at evidence, but I thought there were station nameplates fixed to the end of those concrete platforms awnings in the late 1960s? There certainly was one at the end of platform 2/3 in Feb 1969, which had been removed by early 1971, but I cannot remember about platform 4/5. Example of what I mean here - http://www.flickr.com/photos/23256063@N02/2686597024/in/photolist-56pvGm-aiqEcW-dEGK5m-dfjggq-eKE3dk-ac8FAm-dKpPxp-bx5UWt-bx5Qxn-fxYaDS-9uCn3o-9uCJEf-cAxj5Y-cAxi5w-7fQsmp-c5UM2N-cAxe2Y-cAxeY9-cAxewY-cAxjAA-cAxfnd-9uCKmY-aUHM6a-aiYb7G-an8z24-9uCGKA-9uzLKK-9uqA9h-9uCjhw-9uzxuP-9uCumd-9uCEEU-9uqD77-9uzMpr-9uCizj-9uzF7T-9uzv56-9uCNCj-9uzwLT-daHRm-dkHjJw-e34gMP-mJ1xV-9eEFme-9uCHzJ-9uqCG1-9unDat-9uzk9k-9unDKz-9uqG5w-9unEhc Red Herring I think, not on Platform 4/5. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark54 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 According to the May 1969 Railway Observer, 26 was noted in the Derby works paintshop on 29th March. If the date of the photo is meant to be 23rd April 1969, this would tie in with the reasonably fresh livery, lack of D pre-fix and the fitting of air brakes. 1M51 would then be the 08:10 Manchester Piccadilly to St Pancras. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 1M51 would then be the 08:10 Manchester Piccadilly to St Pancras. How? The line had been closed north of Matlock for nine months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 How? The line had been closed north of Matlock for nine months. Might it have come via Edale? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 2, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2013 How? The line had been closed north of Matlock for nine months. Down the Hope Valley, avoiding line at Dore direct to Chesterfield and normal MML to StP. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 1M51 indicates an inter regional service ending on the Midland Region, although it starts and finishes on the Midland it actually travels via the Eastern at Chesterfield so this would explain the M instead of the expected A in the headcode Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark54 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 When St Pancras-Manchester trains travelled via Matlock they remained within the London Midland Region and the headcodes were H for destination Manchester and C for destination London St Pancras. Therefore in the 1967/8 Working Time Table the 08:35 Manchester Central to St Pancras was 1C37. After the re-routing they crossed in and out of the Eastern Region during the journey and became inter-regional trains with a London Midland Region destination and were therefore M in both directions, hence the 1M51 head code for the equivalent train from Manchester Piccadilly. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Aah, I forgot that St Pancras was C, I was thinking in Eastern terms of A for London Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 3, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2013 Hi Mark and all I did not realise that if a train started in one region, left it then re-entered the starting region, it would carry the headcode with the letter of the final region not that of the divison within that region. And to think it never left Midland Railway lines. All part of the rest of British Railways hating Derby and the Midland railway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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