Andy Siddall Posted August 6, 2011 Author Share Posted August 6, 2011 Hi David, It's good to hear that the 13 kit is doing well, it really is a pleasure to build and of course a very interesting prototype to boot! Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Siddall Posted August 8, 2011 Author Share Posted August 8, 2011 Hi all, More progress today, I have managed to complete the cab interior parts along with all of the work on the cab itself. The cab detail is rather cleverly built up into units that can be added after painting, these units are also used to hold the glazing in place once assembled. The back wall of the cab, this really is nicely detailed, the wires are left long as these fit through holes in the cab floor once complete. All this needs is a fire extinguisher and a drivers tea can! The control console builds up quite easily and is added after the cab interior has been painted. A view of the exterior of the cab, the doors are a 3 way laminate (inside door not added until after painting in order to hold the glazing in). The cab roof has also been fitted but will need a little tweaking to fit well, I shall leave this until final assembly. This just leaves me to add and detail the roof units and then add all of the white metal castings. Once this is done I am just left with painting and final assembly. My thoughts are now turning to how I am going to power the 2 units. I have a pair of 40:1 gearboxes and Mashima 1833 motors and I shall be using ESU Loksound chip(s). The question is whether to use 2 chips and leave them as seperate locos and consist them for use or to use 1 chip and wire between the units, which mean that I would need to get 6 wires between the twins (Track, Motor and Sound). I will probably go with the former as it would be easier to remove the second chip and thro' wire to the slave at a later date should I wish! Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium mirreles31 Posted August 8, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 8, 2011 Hi Andy, again the detail achievable in 7mm is amazing , Looking forward to seeing the final results of your work. D4500 isn't DCC so the motors had to be wired together for satisfactory running, I'm sure you'll come up with the best method for your purposes. Have you got a 'hump' to shunt? I havn't I just like 13s . Cheers Phil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Siddall Posted August 8, 2011 Author Share Posted August 8, 2011 Thanks Phil, I think I will go down the 2 chip route to start with and if I don't like it I can always save the second chip for number 2 or 3 Sadly I haven't got a hump or even a layout but when I do get around to building one, space allowing, I shall use them no matter what! Being dragged up just a few miles from Tinsley, I have always had a fondness for the shed and it's locos, even though I never saw one move I have always had a liking for the 13's, I have just ordered a display case which will take three 13's and 2 08's ( I have 08510 but have 08619 to do). Cheers Andy P.S. I do have aliking for the plain old workaday Gronk too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium mirreles31 Posted August 9, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 9, 2011 Hi Andy, me too, Gronks were probably the first loco I identified with as a child (about 4 yrs old ) one was used to shunt parcel vans at my local station (Woodhouse ex GCR) and there was always something about them that I liked. I will always find some excuse to use D4500 on any layout I build even tho' they, as far as I know never left Tinsley apart from works visits ( usually Doncaster I believe). As I have mentioned somewhere on my thread I used to work at BSC Tinsley Park right on top of the yard, indeed there was a link into BSCs own yard, and I managed to not see any of them!!!! . But hey I've got my own now . Cheers Phil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted August 9, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 9, 2011 Andy - We only did the Class 13 kit as an offshoot from the 08 [obviously] and I doubted we would do little better than break-even on it - but like you, I have always found them fascinating, so we took the plunge. I am pleased to tell you though that from two weeks ago there are at least 40 7mm modellers who must be modelling Tinsley Yard!!! Regards, David Hi I'm not a 7mm modeller but I do keep looking at this particular kit as I have always liked the 13s. Maybe one day when my solder skills are good enough to do it justice. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Siddall Posted August 10, 2011 Author Share Posted August 10, 2011 Hi, Just a couple of pictures to show a little more progress. I have not had too much time today, still I have managed to get most of the castings onto the bodies. The cab rear is just like a standard class 08, I have left a spigot of wire to take the spring to resemble the vac pipe and I shall superglue this in place after painting. Between the two units I have cut the control pipes back and just left spigots to which I shall attach some silicone sleeving to resemble the pipes, I don't envisage ever separating the units but I could also make a shorter set with pipe connectors just in case. Another piece of silicone will attach the spicot on the back of the slave with the casting on the front of the Master. Sadly work tomorrow so no progress, however the end is getting closer, next jobs to do are the sand pipes and the bonnet roof details. I can then start painting the bodies and begin to wire up the chassis. Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl1967 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 hi Andy just some pictures for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Siddall Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Hi Carl, Thanks for sharing your pictures, it's always good to be able to get a good average of what detail you need to add or have missed from a good few sources. Work on 13001 has been slow of the last few days, however I have now got both chassis motorised and the Slaters plungers fitted, I have also today made my first 3 outside cranks. These are a little fiddly and needed a little tweaking to get to fit well but i think I am getting the grasp of it now and so will post a few pics tomorrow all being well. The bodies have been thoroughly washed and are now drying in readiness for priming later in the week. Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Hi Andy. Just picked up on this thread. Some nice work going on..... Shuntertastic! Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Siddall Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Thanks Sean! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Siddall Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hi all, Not a lot to report today as other things have been taking up my time, however i have still managed to get a few things done n the twins. Firstly I now have a full set of outside cranks, these are not difficult just slow as they need a little fettling to fit and you have to be careful not to fettle them out of quarter. They are made up of a laminating of 7 pieces of brass etch, two holes are provided for 0.5mm wire to help keep them all together and true while soldering. I also put the Slaters crank pin through mine along with the bush as these are then secured during soldering. The only thing to remember here that it is very important to keep the whole thing true and the crank pin perpendicular! I have also now got the bodies primed and so can make a start on the final tweaks and then paintwork later in the week. Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Siddall Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 Just a quick update with progress. The twins are now in the paintshop. They have had the yellow and Blue coats and now await the black for the underframes. In the meantime I have finished the con rods and these are now in the queue for painting aswell. All of the parts for the RH side of the master unit. The holes at the top of the rods are for a small piece of wire to represent the cork bung for the oil holes! The holes in the side of the rods are for the pin which will attach to the speedo drive. Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Very nice work Andy. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Siddall Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 Thanks Pete, Not too much to show today. The masking tape is finally off and I have made a start at touching up the edges and also trying the chevrons at the front and rear. I have not yet managed to get anywhere near the mechanics of wiring the chips in and testing yet. Maybe tomorrow. One of the tasks that I gave myself today was to start looking at making the couplings. Although they were unique pairs they were still only coupled by the standard screw link coupling. These are provided for in the kit as a very nicely cast kit of white metal parts. Whilst I don't have a particular dislike for the white metal couplings and there really is no reason to not use them, I do rather prefer cast lost wax brass or nickel silver versions, and I am fortunate enough to have a few kits in stock of the excellent CPL diesel screw coupling kits. These are a very well cast set of parts along with a small set of etched washers and they make an excellent pair of couplings for around £10. All of the parts laid out as they will be assembled. The link pin attaches the flat link of the coupling to the hook, this is held in place with a 0.3mm piece of wire. The screw assembly has been threaded onto the upper trunion and the bob weight is held in place by another small pin of 0.3mm wire. The bottom trunion has now also been threaded onto the screw. Here you can see one of the small washers that go at each end of the screw to stop the trunions falling off. Finally the shackle is clipped in place over the bottom trunion and we have a complete coupling ready for cleaning and blackening. Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Hello Andy / all, if you blacken the hook before you attach the top shackle / link pin you should be able to do away with the paper. I have found that it works 99% of the time. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Siddall Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 Thanks Ozzy, I hadn't thought of that! I shall give it a try on the 2 that I am about to start. Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Siddall Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 HI all, We are getting into the final throes of the build of the 13, I have now got them both painted and decalled with the exception of the data panels which are on order from precision decals. Both units are chipped and wired and have been tested on a rolling road ready for a test run at the club on Sunday. Jobs still to do are the cab detail which is slowly being painted, glazing and the brake gear which I shall add after the test runs, it does appear that due to the very scale nature of the kit, there is not much space between the brake shoes and the outside frames, and from experience short circuits could be an issue. Anyhoo, here are a couple of pics of 13001 as of this afternoon.... Next up on the workbench I have a couple of Connoisseur Bogie Bolster E kits. Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium mirreles31 Posted August 25, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 25, 2011 Hi Andy, superb work, are the 'twins' going to get mucky? . Phil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Siddall Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 Thanks Phil, I'm sure that after a few weeks running out in the Sheffield weather that a certain amount of dirt will accumulate! Not sure how much however as if I'm going to do all 3, I'll probably have one near ex works, one dirty as hell and one somewhere in between, we'll see! Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium mirreles31 Posted August 25, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 25, 2011 Sounds like a good compromise, D4500 will get a good dose when I get round to it, remembering the steelworks next door chucked out a fair amount of crud even after the clean air rules came out (I know I worked there!!) cheers Phil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Nice one Andy. I suppose I should bring a couple of gronks on Sunday to run? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Siddall Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 Hi Brian, I'll be bringing 08510 as well so we could have a mini gronk fest. Will have a chat with Armin and get him to take his down there aswell.... Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Siddall Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hi all, After months of build 13001 finally ran on a layout for the first time on Sunday and I am pleased to say that apart from some very minor tweaks performed faultlessly. I will endeavour to get the cab interior and glazing finished in the next couple of weeks and add a few final pics! As Sunday was a running session at the club we managed to have our little gronk get together, thanks to Brian Daniels and Armin Obrecht we managed to get 4 class 08's and the class 13 on the layout together. Firstly though a couple of pics of 13001 doing what they did best, pushing a few wagons...... The Gronks pictured in the next few pics were from a variety of sources and it was interesting to see what differences there were in the locos. Of particular interest is the roof profile which seems to vary quite widely. Loco's pictured are 13001 and 08510 both MMP 08770 in Grey from an earlier MMP 08946 in Blue from a JLTRT kit. The green 'un is Bachmann. (sorry can't remember the number...) Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Siddall Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 As mentioned above I have started a couple of Connoisseur Models Bogie Bolster E's. These are a nice wagon to build and are of quite a useful prototype which lasted from the early days of BR well into the Blue diesel Era. I am not going to document the build fully as they are such an easy wagon to build (as are all of Connoisseurs kits). Instead I am just going to post a few random pictures taken during the build. The main body of the wagon is just a pan fold floor and sides. The load tie downs are added to the solebars using rings cut from soft wire wrapped around a drill bit, the passed through a split pin. The underframe truss work. The completed underframe with brake gear taken before a clean up to end the day. This has completed all of the work involving brass, all that remains is a whole bag full of whitemetal parts for tomorrow! Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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