Early Risers.

[Ozexpatriate]

1 hour ago, iL Dottore said:

Were such replicas possible

People have been selling replica Carroll Shelby AC Cobras since they stopped manufacturing them. Not to mention Shelby himself.

 

Oodles of replica 'kit' cars over the years.

[PhilJ W]

2 hours ago, iL Dottore said:

I think that it depends upon the model. The Viewt (the Jag Mk II tribute) costs ¥2.25 million in Japan so about £17000 or so. A quick Google search revealed a number of Viewts for sale across the globe, but I didn’t drill down for Switzerland.

 

The appeal of the Viewt got me thinking: how much of a classic car is actually copyrighted? Obviously, the names Jaguar, Rolls-Royce and Bentley are copyrighted up to the hilt and beyond, but what about classic car shapes and design?  With modern 3-D scanning, modern CAD software and modern production techniques. I don’t think it would be all that difficult to create a perfect replica body shell of say, for the sake of argument, a Jaguar Mark II or Bentley S2. I think that with some appropriate tweaks such a body shell could be mounted on a suitable donor chassis and also modified to meet current safety standards, although, (and here I really do not have any idea and I’m wildly speculating) perhaps for very small production run vehicles different standards apply than for large production run vehicles from the big manufacturers).

 

These essentially identical to original replicas would not be cheap – being a practically bespoke build, but I would view such replicas like I view an artist’s signature model guitar: a way to get a vintage guitar (in all but age) at a less than bank busting prices (my Fender Custom Shop, David Gilmour Black Strat was but a tiny fraction of the $5 million the real David Gilmour Black Strat fetched at auction).

Not everyone has the reddies to buy a 1952 Bentley Continental R

(yours for a mere US$ 995,000) But a high quality replica that costs the same as a mid-range BMW would, I think, be sought after.

 

Were such replicas possible, I would speculate that the replicas could get Bentley, Jaguar, Rolls-Royce, et cetera, rather worried as a lot of  potential customers of theirs would turn away from their bloatmobiles for that classic Jaguar/Bentley/Rolls-Royce look.

 

If a replica of the 1952 Bentley Continental R above was identical in comfort and style to the original, I wouldn’t be particularly fussed if it didn’t have the Bentley name or badge on it. I would certainly get one if I could – although I would insist on it being finished in British Racing Green with red leather interior.

I do believe the Rolls-Royce radiator grill is copyright.

[Erichill16]

Hmmmm…….

Whens a Lamborghini not a Lamborghini?

Whens its a pile of dog poo!

 

 

[PupCam]

2 hours ago, iL Dottore said:

I think that it depends upon the model. The Viewt (the Jag Mk II tribute) costs ¥2.25 million in Japan so about £17000 or so. A quick Google search revealed a number of Viewts for sale across the globe, but I didn’t drill down for Switzerland.

 

The appeal of the Viewt got me thinking: how much of a classic car is actually copyrighted? Obviously, the names Jaguar, Rolls-Royce and Bentley are copyrighted up to the hilt and beyond, but what about classic car shapes and design?  With modern 3-D scanning, modern CAD software and modern production techniques. I don’t think it would be all that difficult to create a perfect replica body shell of say, for the sake of argument, a Jaguar Mark II or Bentley S2. I think that with some appropriate tweaks such a body shell could be mounted on a suitable donor chassis and also modified to meet current safety standards, although, (and here I really do not have any idea and I’m wildly speculating) perhaps for very small production run vehicles different standards apply than for large production run vehicles from the big manufacturers).

 

These essentially identical to original replicas would not be cheap – being a practically bespoke build, but I would view such replicas like I view an artist’s signature model guitar: a way to get a vintage guitar (in all but age) at a less than bank busting prices (my Fender Custom Shop, David Gilmour Black Strat was but a tiny fraction of the $5 million the real David Gilmour Black Strat fetched at auction).

Not everyone has the reddies to buy a 1952 Bentley Continental R

(yours for a mere US$ 995,000) But a high quality replica that costs the same as a mid-range BMW would, I think, be sought after.

 

Were such replicas possible, I would speculate that the replicas could get Bentley, Jaguar, Rolls-Royce, et cetera, rather worried as a lot of  potential customers of theirs would turn away from their bloatmobiles for that classic Jaguar/Bentley/Rolls-Royce look.

 

If a replica of the 1952 Bentley Continental R above was identical in comfort and style to the original, I wouldn’t be particularly fussed if it didn’t have the Bentley name or badge on it. I would certainly get one if I could – although I would insist on it being finished in British Racing Green with red leather interior.

 

29 minutes ago, Ozexpatriate said:

People have been selling replica Carroll Shelby AC Cobras since they stopped manufacturing them. Not to mention Shelby himself.

 

Oodles of replica 'kit' cars over the years.

 

Indeed there are and I immediately thought of the C Type Jaguars.   This very interesting and it has to be said, rather depressing article was one of the first hits.  

 

Looks like the Range Rover replicas* are out then too.      If they get their way, presumably  a number of fine commercially made existing replica vehicles would have to be destroyed if they pursue retrospective application.     Complete Muppetry .... !    

 

* Not that I'd be wanting one of course, you know me.

 

 

 

 

[PhilJ W]

Afternoon all from Estuary-Land. Another heap of washing to put on this evening 🥴 but first I've got to clear the previous lot from the drying racks. Better get on with it then.

[Gwiwer]

2 hours ago, PupCam said:

Where is your office Rick?       I often look at the St Ives webcam (when doing my BP) and note there's a Coast Guard station there and I wondered if that was where you went but from that view it doesn't look like it!

 

2 hours ago, Coombe Barton said:

Take it you're in the lookout on the Cape?

 

Asked and answered.  And I never said a word!  

 

The watch station is on the seaward side of Cape Cornwall and cannot be seen other than from the sea until you are either immediately below or above it on the Coast Path.  You come down the Cape passing the cottages and continue around the headland where it seems that the path might peter out.  it does not.  It does get quite interesting perched right on the edge not far above wave-reach on Spring tides and there are then over 100 rough rock-hewn steps to climb to the station.  The Coast Path itself climbs further still to the well-known chimney atop the Cape before descending on the landward side past St. Helens Oratory (the ruined chapel) having brought you almost around in a full circle.

 

The official South West Coast Path route used not to climb to the chimney.  You approached from Kenidjack (seen in my image above) and crossed the lane leading to the Cape cottages before climbing the other side towards Carn Gloose and (eventually) Lands End.  Only a few years ago a new Right of Way was agreed with the landowner to divert the path via the oratory, which is of some historical interest, up and over the top and past the watch station.

 

In 2022 the South West Coast Path Association - of which I am a long-term member- introduced a "passport" scheme whereby walkers could have a card "passport" stamped by certain businesses and other places along the way. All those businesses involved make some sort of contribution to the Association either by way of donation and / or promoting the fact that they are walker-friendly, or similar.  Since the start of 2024 all NCI Coastwatch stations have also become "stamping points" after a trial last year with just a couple of them was deemed successful.  There is no expectation that a donation would be made in return for a stamp but there is a tin at the door should one wish to add to our coffers.  

 

NCI is entirely dependant upon volunteers and donations to maintain its "Eyes Along The Shore" ™ and its Declared Facility Status within the wider Search & Rescue network.  "Declared Facility Status" means that each watch-keeper and the station as a whole has been examined and met certain minimum criteria, and those are re-examined every year, enabling HM Coastguard to trust our word and observations without needing further verification.  

 

Today's training included plotting to paper charts which as a user of OS maps for over 60 years I had no difficulty with at all.  Apparently it completely stumps some folk.  Range, distance and bearing are not at all hard to calculate even with nothing but human-eye observation.  If one also has an aid such as radar or a ship-finder app then it becomes a piece of cake.  

[Gwiwer]

35 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

I do believe the Rolls-Royce radiator grill is copyright.

I know those cars have many luxurious benefits but the ability to cook toast whilst on the move was not one I had heard of 🤣

[Barry O]

don't know about now but when  Rolls Royce. Bentley and Cosworth were part of the Vickers PLC empire they were not happy with "copies" and had a very good legal team who could squeeze pips out of stone...

 

To make a decent "copy" of a quality car does take time, expertise and money .. just like the real ones (in RR and Bentleys' case at least).

 

Current owners of non copies would not be pleased either.. but..

a 1995 Bentley Mulsarne Turbo RL with17,360 miles on the clock and a FSH is up for sale currently on Ebay at  £36,950..

 

its the less than 9 mpg you get if your floor it is a concern (but it does have heated rear seats and picnic tables included as "extras")

 

Baz

 

PS not interested as its not one of the Green ones with white interiors and red carpets!)

Edited February 16 by Barry O
spellung

[Ian Abel]

POETS...

 

Yesterday was very demanding, overload of changes/updates to reports to satisfy the "overlords" much to the consternation of yours truly and the Finance team. Some harsh words mentioned about said overlords, especially questioning their intelligence and expertise or actual lack thereof!

 

That was followed by another mind-numbing hour plus, of attempted "training".

On what PLANET does an IT department schedule someone (of THEIR STAFF) to learn what I'm doing AND NOT INSTALL THE REQUIRED SOFTWARE on said IT employees PC?? To add insult to injury, even though the guy is in IT, he has NO ADMIN RIGHTS to his PC so has to raise a ticket with HIS OWN DEPARTMENT to have carp installed - I'm beginning to lose the will to live with this fiasco <yawn> <groan> <moan>

 

Needed to relax and an early night after all that.

 

Today, quiet so far thank goodness.

Brendan just stopped by to pick up Whitney, nice although short, chat with him about his travels given he was on his long-haul check rides.

 

Weekend SHOULD be relaxing, and only scheduled event is a happy-hour we're hosting tomorrow. Smaller group than usual as some are out-of-town for various reasons.

 

Following the snow overnight Wednesday we've descended into "real cold". -14c and sunny first thing, only expecting a high of -7c, ditto tomorrow.

 

Enjoy the start of the weekend.

[pH]

12 minutes ago, Ian Abel said:

I'm beginning to lose the will to live with this fiasco <yawn> <groan> <moan>

 

Always remember - “Lack of preparation on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.”

[Coombe Barton]

2 hours ago, Gwiwer said:

Asked and answered.  And I never said a word!  

 

Many years ago I visited when they were undertaking a mass basking shark/dolphin/whale/sea spotting. This was a time when basing shark visitations were more common than now.

 

They said they had seen nowt.

[Coombe Barton]

... tomorrow maybe a trip out to get the ears lowered. I’m getting past the shaggy dog look and moving into the Highland cattle look. ...

https://johncolby.wordpress.com/2024/02/16/covid-and-flu-both-going-down-day-spent-chasing-people/

[zarniwhoop]

56 minutes ago, Coombe Barton said:

... tomorrow maybe a trip out to get the ears lowered. I’m getting past the shaggy dog look and moving into the Highland cattle look. ...

https://johncolby.wordpress.com/2024/02/16/covid-and-flu-both-going-down-day-spent-chasing-people/

I went full-yeti years ago. Just have to keep remembering to buy hair bands for my ponytail.

[Hroth]

34 minutes ago, zarniwhoop said:

I went full-yeti years ago. Just have to keep remembering to buy hair bands for my ponytail.

 

Gone are the days when the posties used to leave red elastic bands all over the place...

 

[Tony_S]

19 minutes ago, Hroth said:

 

Gone are the days when the posties used to leave red elastic bands all over the place...

 

I used to pick them up before my dog ate them. They used to pass through his intestinal system without losing their elasticity. This was distressing for him when his poo dangled and bounced about. 

[Coombe Barton]

56 minutes ago, zarniwhoop said:

I went full-yeti years ago. Just have to keep remembering to buy hair bands for my ponytail.

That time for me may come after July.

[monkeysarefun]

6 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

I do believe the Rolls-Royce radiator grill is copyright.

 

 

I got tangled up in a copyright "Dispute" when the company who commission me to produce 3D files of  1960's and 70's Australian cars for them to colour 3D print in N and HO scale and sell commercially, posted up this photo  of them  on their  Facebook page.

 

 

Some bush lawyer  (ie "person not qualified in law who attempts to expound on legal matters..")  posted a comment saying they  hoped that they the 3d printing  company had  got Holden's and Ford's etc  permission to sell  the models  because the car designs were owned by them etc etc and therefore could not be reproduced, even in miniature. 

 

This led to a heap of people jumping in and  giving their opinions which varied between total agreement and that the 3d printing company was about to get sued for millions, to another  bush lawyer opining that the design wasn't protected but any  blueprints or photos that  I'd used to draw up the CAD files were  the copyright of wherever I'd got them from.  The blue prints were freely available from several sites, the one I chose I ensured had no limitations on commercial work.  I did use many photo references from the web though and I'll admit that  I didn't ask  each of the photos owners if I could use their picture to make sure I got the door handle or whatever right. Oops!

 

 Still others reckoned that the  actual car design was ok but if I reproduced  any badgework or manufacturers emblems etc, THAT would be a breach of copyright. 

 

 

Then others said that copyright expired after some time period had elapsed (this seems to range from 25 years to 500, according to various posters!) so models of cars that were in production before this were ok.

 

Then there were others who said the whole suggestion was ridiculous because in that case movie and  tv directors and commercial photographers etc  would have to ask the permission of every car manufacturer in order to be able to have  cars  appear in their work.

 

 

I spent quite some time looking for an actual answer online so I could shut at least half of  them up but could find nothing definitive. All I came away with at the end  was that I should seek specialist copyright legal advice, which seemed a bit over the top. 

 

I'd like to get an actual properly sourced answer one day because if you think about it, if  brought to it's actual nutty  conclusion ANY  commercial model built as a copy of an existing prototype would be in the same situation, from   rolling stock and locomotives  to   platform seats!

 

 

Facebook - as a resource for obtaining qualified legal advice - 0 stars.   Maybe I should shoot a quick email off to Alina Habba, she'll probably have some spare time on her hands soon.

Edited February 16 by monkeysarefun

[PhilJ W]

Evening all from Estuary-Land. No rumbles from Arthur Itis this evening and hopefully he's taking the night off. I've been getting the dashcam ready to fit to the car and over the weekend I'll sort out where it can go, The main camera is OK but the rear view camera might be a bit tricky to find the best place. Also where to run the wires where they are unlikely to be snagged.

[TheQ]

I see Athelstan liked his central heating...

 

I go more for the Albert Einstein look, but with less directly on top, both in hair and intelligence.

 

Rolls Royce got very upset when someone put their grill on the front of a car, it did have a Rolls engine in it... 27ltrs of Merlin engine... Front half of the car looked not bad with a very long bonneted  RR style, back half of the car was awful, a sort of poor imitation of a ford capri..

 

Evening Awl,

No report this afternoon cos I was asleep, spent most of the day feeling rough and totally knackered. But now it's getting to sleepy time I feel wide awake and ok..

 

Brambles were chopped in an area I'm not intending to clear this winter, but at least it will keep them down a bit.

Very soggy ground out there.

 

So sanding of RDF vehicles was done, removing the cab roof of the last of the four aerial lorries was also completed . 

A mold for pantile rooves  has arrived, along with a roller for stone sets. That gives me more Todo..

 

Ben took me for his full long walk, down on the marshes the fields have returned to being err marshes. The worst part of the lanes was 3 to 6 inches deep in water with a couple of places welly near the top of my boots.

 

Muggachoccy gone

Goodnight Awl.

 

 

 

[Smiffy2]

Evening all.

It's been a funny old day.

Fancied a curry last night, it was delicious, but I was woken, choken, at 4am with awful acid reflux. Spent the rest of the night sitting up...

 

Then a phone call to get a doctor's appointment - last week my osteopath (Ricky) had found I had Pitting Oedima on my lower legs. This can be serious, so as soon as my doctor got back from leave (...) I went online to get an appointment. I was a bit concerned that they phoned back in 20 minutes with an appointment an hour later. Squeaky bum time.

 

In fact it wasn't with my doc but a PA (Physician's Associate - a highly trained non-doctor, equivalent I think to a prescribing nurse). Very pleasant young woman, but rather begged the question why I had to wait for my doctor to come back, unless they were on leave together.

 

She did a load of tests, including my Diabetic Feets (OK), SpO2 (OK) and blood pressure (high). She checked the oedima which she reckoned wasn't too bad, probably nothing to worry about, just have some x-rays and an ECG to be sure, blood tests etc. Bum slightly relaxed. Discussed enlarged prostates in general and mine in particular. I asked for the same treatment as Charles and she honked with laughter.

 

Off to wait for the x-rays, waited, waited - then a message that the x-ray machine had broken down, but good news, they had fixed it. Waited, waited, then news that the fix was fuxed. So home...

 

Had a sleep, feeling relatively relaxed.

 

So the gravel of the week meets the carrera marble of the weekend, Huginn and Muninn seem to be looking out for me still, and our next trip to France seems close and secure.

 

Oh, and I do have news of the whelkmen, which I will unfold in the near future.

 

Good night and good luck all who sail here.

 

[BSW01]

Goodnight all 

[Andy Hayter]

52 minutes ago, monkeysarefun said:

 

 

 

 

I'd like to get an actual properly sourced answer one day because if you think about it, if  brought to it's actual nutty  conclusion ANY  commercial model built as a copy of an existing prototype would be in the same situation, from   rolling stock and locomotives  to   platform seats!

 

 

 

I cannot claim to know the ins and outs of such a situation but IIRC when Jouef were taken to tribunal by Accor Hotel Group - then owners of Wagons Lits and its accoutrements - they were taken to task for trade mark infringement  for unauthorised use of the CIWL logo and crest.

 

Note: nothing to do with copyright.  Everything to do with trademark infringement.  
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[Sidecar Racer]

1 hour ago, monkeysarefun said:

Facebook - as a resource for obtaining qualified legal advice - 0 stars.   Maybe I should shoot a quick email off to Alina Habba, she'll probably have some spare time on her hands soon.

 

 

    🤣   🤣  🤣  😂  😂

[PupCam]

Evening All

 

35 minutes ago, Smiffy2 said:

It's been a funny old day.

Fancied a curry last night, it was delicious, but I was woken, choken, at 4am with awful acid reflux. Spent the rest of the night sitting up...

 

Sorry to hear that, I know from experience that that is not pleasant, particularly when it decides to go back down the trachea which results in that organ deciding to shut up shop completely,both literally and metaphorically speaking.       Most important thing then is to remain calm and remember Don't Panic (that's two HHGTTG  references in 24 hours)  but I find that much easier to say than do.

 

As it happens, we went out to see friends this evening for a Take Away and social gathering.   I really fancied a curry but it was way too late in the day for that so the blander (but still not without some risk due to the oiliness) Chish and Fips option was chosen.      A precautionary slurp of Gaviscon will be taken in addition to the daily medication.

 

Night All

 

 

[PhilJ W]

41 minutes ago, Andy Hayter said:

 

I cannot claim to know the ins and outs of such a situation but IIRC when Jouef were taken to tribunal by Accor Hotel Group - then owners of Wagons Lits and its accoutrements - they were taken to task for trade mark infringement  for unauthorised use of the CIWL logo and crest.

 

Note: nothing to do with copyright.  Everything to do with trademark infringement.  
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I recall over forty years ago when Matchbox produced a model van in the Yesteryear series with the royal crest on it but without obtaining permission. When this was pointed out they had to withdraw them from sale and produce them without the crest. Those with the crest that 'escaped' are now sort after.