16A Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 How frustrating. This topic has been moved to the bowels of RMweb!!!! I have made a new direct link to your thread so I can continue to watch in awe instead of trawling through about 75 topic categories. I would have thought Layout Topics would cover the building of the bits that go on the layout? Rant over - back to fighting with Flash animations (don't ask). Have you tried 'watching' this subject? You can set it to send you an email each time the thread is updated. Just a thought! Adriano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artizen Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 I "watch" every layout being discussed in the layout topics forum. I just never knew how many categories this website has been divided into. When this thread got moved I went exploring and was shocked to see so many sub-categories etc. are listed and besides, life is too short to be digging. I suppose "watching" your favourites is one way of doing it, but I get too many emails as it is so using the layout topics to see who is posting was for me a cleaner and faster way of keeping up with daily events. I am certainly not interested in the blog format - I would rather follow the entire discussion in one place. But now that I have bookmarked this link directly I will be following along and making the usual mad comments from the sidelines. This is one of the best builds currently on RMweb so i want to be there for the ride!!!! Sorry Ron - rant over now. I wrote the first rant about 45 minutes ago and still haven't got to the Flash work (you can guess I am deliberately trying to ignore it!!!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 I "watch" every layout being discussed in the layout topics forum. I just never knew how many categories this website has been divided into. When this thread got moved I went exploring and was shocked to see so many sub-categories etc. are listed and besides, life is too short to be digging. I suppose "watching" your favourites is one way of doing it, but I get too many emails as it is so using the layout topics to see who is posting was for me a cleaner and faster way of keeping up with daily events. I am certainly not interested in the blog format - I would rather follow the entire discussion in one place. But now that I have bookmarked this link directly I will be following along and making the usual mad comments from the sidelines. This is one of the best builds currently on RMweb so i want to be there for the ride!!!! Sorry Ron - rant over now. I wrote the first rant about 45 minutes ago and still haven't got to the Flash work (you can guess I am deliberately trying to ignore it!!!). HI, Ian Sorry about the DEEP move. It was suggested that my topics would be better grouped/categorised here in 'Modelling real locations', there are others such as 'Railways in the North West 1950-1960s', 'Big Layouts', etc. Glad you have decided which way to follow this topic at least Have you sorted your FLASH yet Have cut the pipe for the next two piers, but as usual have moved to something different. I have started the cross-braced trusses for the first two span beams N1 & S1. Have to break the tedium from building the same items day after day, so will hop about a bit between item builds on this viaduct, as it is a long repetitive process Will post a few pics tonight Cheers Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 Cut the pipe for the next two piers, but decided to have a diversion from piers and start the cross-brace trusses for the span beams - mustn't get repetitive tedium syndrome So here starts the cross-braced truss build - This template is different from the Cornbrook cross-brace truss template, as the truss is wider by 1mm, and the prototype braces are not fixed in pairs at the same point, instead they are fixed separately This template produces 25 trusses at a time This assembly is removed from the template, turned over, replaced on the template and the bracing strips added to complete the matrix The matrix is cut up into single cross-braced trusses Using the strip cutter a number of 20thou x 2mm and 4mm wide strips are cut Two trusses are fitted with the outer lattice strips One with 4mm strips, where the truss is fixed centrally on the strips, and one with 2mm strips, where the truss is fixed to the edge of the strips as per the prototype The prototype uses a T section for the wide lattices, and angle section for the narrow lattices Each span beam, with the exception of N2, has 5 wide lattices at each end with the remainder being narrow N2 has all narrow lattices ... to be continued >>>>> 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 We were talking about this whole epic at RailEx today. The lower jaws are still on the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artizen Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Have you looked at the Lime Street Station thread on the layout topics forum? Wonderful work and a completely different approach to modelling a real location. So many excellent models on one forum! Oh well, back to making bricks - 18,960 so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted May 28, 2011 Author Share Posted May 28, 2011 Hi, Thanks for your information - it is very interesting to hear so much is being discussed about my modelling I hope I can continue to hold everyones' attention for at least the immediate future Cheers Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted May 29, 2011 Author Share Posted May 29, 2011 ... a few pictures of progress this evening - Template of N1 span beam - 590mm long x 85mm high Span beam side with plain lattice bracings in place Span beam side with lattice bracings, four wide and two narrow trusses in place The 20 thou plain plasticard rectangle is used to maintain correct distance between upper and lower span sides, and correct spacing of lattices and trusses when building off-template The space in the centre of the span side is for the interleaved trusses i.e. no plain lattices ... to be continued >>>>> 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 Not a good evening - Span Beam N1 requires 26 trusses - Template only produces 25 at a time So will have to produce 50 more trusses (template x 2) to ensure I have enough to produce Span beam S1 and finish Span beam N1 Anyway thought you might like to see the interleaved trusses close-up Just a bit tricky as there are 21/2 cross braces between each truss, not two as Cornbrook Viaduct bridge #2, still we will prevail All but ready for lattice braces, and remaining face span beam sides/ends ... to be continued >>>>> 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artizen Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Bloody hell Ron! That is monster! Manchester Central and Lime Street - now two of my all-time favourites! Keep taking the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 How frustrating. This topic has been moved to the bowels of RMweb!!!! I have made a new direct link to your thread so I can continue to watch in awe instead of trawling through about 75 topic categories. I would have thought Layout Topics would cover the building of the bits that go on the layout? Rant over - back to fighting with Flash animations (don't ask). Hello Artzen All, I know what you mean, this subject has been in my content for a long time, then it disappeared from it. I would have thought that the link would have still worked when it was moved, it didn't. Anyhow I've found it again. So now to catch up. OzzyO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 So here starts the cross-braced truss build - This template is different from the Cornbrook cross-brace truss template, as the truss is wider by 1mm, and the prototype braces are not fixed in pairs at the same point, instead they are fixed separately ... to be continued >>>>> Hello Ron, when you are doing all the multiple trusses how do you stop the top one from sticking to the bottom one of the next? If you see what I mean. OzzyO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 Hello Ron, when you are doing all the multiple trusses how do you stop the top one from sticking to the bottom one of the next? If you see what I mean. OzzyO. Hi, Glad you managed to find my thread again I can't stop adjacent trusses from sticking to each other, as some Plastic weld inevitably seeps down when fixing the cross bracing strips. I gently parting with a sharp knife blade when cutting through the cross bracing strips to separate the trusses sorts that out The only alternative would be to miss alternate trusses out, and waste pieces of cross bracing strip. Cheers Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 Just received my copy of MRJ207, and lo and behold I have a mention with 4 photos on Page 158 MRJ Portfolio - Thanks to David Bigcheeseplant (Editor) Only half the length of the station is shown, as the single spans are not self-supporting, and only half the Cornbrook Viaduct bridge is shown as the bridge wasn't completed before the magazine went to the printers Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 Hello Ron, when you are doing all the multiple trusses how do you stop the top one from sticking to the bottom one of the next? If you see what I mean. OzzyO. Hi, Have been thinking about this since my last reply, and have come up with a probable solution with minimal waste and no sticking of truss to truss Each pair of verticals are separated horizontally and vertically by 1mm in each direction The cross bracing strips are fixed on one side, and then the assembly is turned over and placed on the second template, and the second set of strips fixed The individual trusses are separated from each other by removal of the 1mm pieces of strip (this is the waste) The slight down side is that only 22 trusses can be produced from an A4 sized template But that is no real problem Cheers Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrailltd Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 This still facinates me every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 This is epic modelling. It would be like modelling Leicester (Great Central) and all the viaduct and bowstring bridge approaches. Or Nottingham Victoria. Or....(insert chosen real city station here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted June 3, 2011 Author Share Posted June 3, 2011 This is epic modelling. It would be like modelling Leicester (Great Central) and all the viaduct and bowstring bridge approaches. Or Nottingham Victoria. Or....(insert chosen real city station here) Hi, I hope that isn't a subtle way of getting me to build another City Station, etc. - during my spare time of course My modelling has been stopped since Tuesday, due to me cutting my hands and arms clearing a large swaithe of bamboo at the cats' refuge where I do diy work for the charity one day a week. Hopefully my hands will have recovered enough to start doing the dexterity finger work again by Monday In the meantime, I will be catching up on some more drawing work for the viaducts (brickwork card, etc.) Cheers Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 ....since Tuesday, due to me cutting my hands and arms clearing a large swaithe of bamboo .... I do that all the time, using a scalpel when shaving things off my Prototype Deltic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted June 3, 2011 Author Share Posted June 3, 2011 I do that all the time, using a scalpel when shaving things off my Prototype Deltic! Hi, I can honestly say that I have never cut myself with my knives when modelling. Perhaps bigger knives, cutters and saws then bigger chance of something going awry Cheers Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share Posted June 4, 2011 Sorry to disappoint you, but some gardening is necessary I have just received a batch of photos from Richard_T - a few of them illustrate the Eastern end of the Castlefield Viaduct which is being modelled The blue/grey engineering brick facings/etc. are being generated/printed off on card ready for the mountcard construction of the eastern viaduct abutment, etc. I don't know which is worse grime or lack of weed control on a listed monument The viaduct in the foreground is the Salford branch off the MSJ&AR line passing under both the Cornbrook and Castlefield Viaducts Two examples of drainage arrangements - Left - could do with being extended/replaced Right - a bit OTT engineered arrangement (what would we do without plumbers ) Multiple arched construction - to save on hardcore fill on this skewed viaduct abutment Interestingly, the rail side and South side of this viaduct are in red brick High level view looking West View of the underside looking West (have I got to build all these piers, and more ?) View of Spans N2, N3, N4, etc. (my designations) View looking East of N1, N2 & N3 Spans All photos copyright of Richard_T Will post details of cardbuild as it progresses 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artizen Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 In answer to your question - View of the underside looking West (have I got to build all these piers, and more ?) Yes! You do! Because we are all watching and eagerly awaiting further developments. Now I am beginning to see just how complex and huge this model is going to be! The size of this elephant is truly scary (one small piece of plastic at a time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinW Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Sorry to disappoint you, but some gardening is necessary I have just received a batch of photos from Richard_T - a few of them illustrate the Eastern end of the Castlefield Viaduct which is being modelled The blue/grey engineering brick facings/etc. are being generated/printed off on card ready for the mountcard construction of the eastern viaduct abutment, etc. I don't know which is worse grime or lack of weed control on a listed monument The viaduct in the foreground is the Salford branch off the MSJ&AR line passing under both the Cornbrook and Castlefield Viaducts Two examples of drainage arrangements - Left - could do with being extended/replaced Right - a bit OTT engineered arrangement (what would we do without plumbers ) Multiple arched construction - to save on hardcore fill on this skewed viaduct abutment Interestingly, the rail side and South side of this viaduct are in red brick High level view looking West View of the underside looking West (have I got to build all these piers, and more ?) View of Spans N2, N3, N4, etc. (my designations) View looking East of N1, N2 & N3 Spans All photos copyright of Richard_T Will post details of cardbuild as it progresses Hi Ron, So will you be modelling the trees on the viaducts as well B) in which case how many 'forest in a box' boxes will you be needing One thing I meant to ask, but not sure if you have already mentioned it, but have you done all the Cad work you require for the whole project, or is it you do one building at a time to give yourself a break? Got to say that the lattice work is looking tremendous. Colin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share Posted June 4, 2011 Hi Ron, So will you be modelling the trees on the viaducts as well B) in which case how many 'forest in a box' boxes will you be needing One thing I meant to ask, but not sure if you have already mentioned it, but have you done all the Cad work you require for the whole project, or is it you do one building at a time to give yourself a break? Got to say that the lattice work is looking tremendous. Colin Hi, Colin The nearest to 'forest in a box' scenics will be the odd swaithe of weeds around the canal areas. Strangely, virtually no weeds were found on the track or against bridges before steam dissappeared (either maintenance was better or the weeds couldn't fight their way through the 'muck & bullets') All structures have been drawn in CAD with the exception of the MSJ&AR viaduct/bridges, the canal wharf structures, and (Deansgate East side shops,etc., and a few terraced houses on Bridgewater Street, and adjacent streets - which will be subject to width of baseboard in this area and backscenes) - most of those drawn in CAD have been redrawn in Paint with all the appropriate brickwork/bonds/colouring, etc. ready for printing onto card for mountcard assembly Cheers Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share Posted June 4, 2011 In answer to your question - View of the underside looking West (have I got to build all these piers, and more ?) Yes! You do! Because we are all watching and eagerly awaiting further developments. Now I am beginning to see just how complex and huge this model is going to be! The size of this elephant is truly scary (one small piece of plastic at a time). Hi, Ian I left myself wide open again with that comment It always looks a bit daunting at the beginning, but planning, patience and perseverance gets the job finished, and when it is completed you wonder what all the fears and fuss was about Cheers Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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