luke_stevens Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Looking through the Warley 2009 Guide, a few pages from the end, there is a full page announcement that in 2010 Heljan is going to be doing the Baby Deltic, 4-character headcode version, in both green and blue. Hopefully there'll be more info on their stand at the show. Time to start saving. (I suppose you might have got Kestrel and a Baby Deltic together at Kings Cross) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redkiterail Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Looking through the Warley 2009 Guide, a few pages from the end, there is a full page announcement that in 2010 Heljan is going to be doing the Baby Deltic, 4-character headcode version, in both green and blue. Hopefully there'll be more info on their stand at the show. Time to start saving. (I suppose you might have got Kestrel and a Baby Deltic together at Kings Cross) Topic is here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/2779-Heljan-class-23-baby-deltic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted November 15, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 15, 2009 well missed this one for a few days due to work commitments. Excellent news. This finally gives me the chance to ditch my "scratch built" 23 based on the Monty Wells 1983 RM which has been ongoing for nigh on 20 years. I will be definately getting two of the first batch D5909 and D5901 the Derby RCD machine that lasted till 1976. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piemanlarger Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 All we neednow is for ~Hornby or Bachmann to say they have been working on this and are also going to do it in 2010!. Nice model, always liked these, would have to build a new layout to have one though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 They were known to work as far north as Peterbrough and March. They could be diagrammed as any other type 2 sheded at Finsbury Park, their limit being drivers with the route knowledge and passed in driving them once out of their normal stamping ground. Many modellers will run them out of their operating area, in "its my train set mode", and why not. Hopefully it will be a nice model. The loco's spent a lot of time shedded at Hitchin. They were mainly worked by Hitchin crews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 ... I suppose you might have got Kestrel and a Baby Deltic together at Kings Cross. Either 5905 or 5909, ( these were the only two in service beyond 1969) would be the likely candidates. Cannot think offhand of a photo showing both Kestrel and a baby deltic, but their paths 'must' have crossed somewhere on the KX - outer suburban route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRat Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 I def recall them working thru Cornwall in the mid to late sixties so I can justify 2!! Whoo hoooo!! (The facrt that during the 60's I was in infants in Cardiff is irrelevant!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 But what has the Baby Deltic got to say about all this? Despite all the evidence about most other early diesels being found on the S&D in large numbers and on a frequent basis, even Class 15s, I just can't find any reference to Baby Deltics working over Masbury.... I'm sure you will though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
59004 ( was Shedcombe....) Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 They are the same. They appear different because of the lack of sand boxes on the Baby Deltics. The class 20s with the lightening holes on the equalising beam may have class 23 bogies under them as this style of beam was first used on the type 2s. The 20's come with 3 variants of bogies, the version with holes in the equalising beam is also on the Baby Deltic's. The Baby Deltic bogies did have sand boxes as well, but not on all loco's, at any one time. The sandboxes seem to go one and off, and picture proof is very inconsistent which loco ran with and which without. Must have meant many bogie swaps happening. Have got nearly 100 pictures on file to back this. Regards, Michel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted November 22, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2009 This scan of an old Brownie 127 photo might be of interest. I think I took it c1961 at Stratford when the class was in store or withdrawn or something, but I could be wrong. edit: sorry about the size it uploaded the whole scanner page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
59004 ( was Shedcombe....) Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 That's a nice one Phil. Any more ? Could you scan in high res and (re)post please ? Regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted November 22, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2009 That's a nice one Phil. Any more ? Could you scan in high res and (re)post please ? Regards, Michel I'll have a go somewhen, but remember it's just a nearly 50 year old photo from a plastic camera which cost about 10 shillings (50p) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 OK I will restate with corrections, when refurbished the Baby Deltics did not have sandboxes. They still had the same desgin of bogie as the Choppers. Just entering pedantic mode.... the cab steps were positioned differently......... just exiting pedantic mode.... just incase someone thinks of adapting a class 20 chassis for a baby deltic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Just entering pedantic mode.... the cab steps were positioned differently......... just exiting pedantic mode.... just incase someone thinks of adapting a class 20 chassis for a baby deltic. Brian Webb, in his D&C Locomotive Studies (the ones on EE locos and the Deltics), states they were 'generally similar', but obviously didnt ask Lloyd about the specifics There is a bit more info about the lightening work, which again has parallels with the work done on the later 20s, but given the step issue and the likelihood of there being plenty of spares within the 20 fleet, swaps between the classes would seem unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
59004 ( was Shedcombe....) Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 OK I will restate with corrections, when refurbished the Baby Deltics did not have sandboxes. They still had the same desgin of bogie as the Choppers. Sorry, but have to challenge this. I've got pictures of D5903, D5904 and D5909, refurbished with headcode box / yellow warning panel, and bogies with sandboxes on. Due to copyright reasons, I'm likely not allowed to post these on here, but happy to share them in any other way. Collected them from the net myself. Regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted November 23, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) On 22/11/2009 at 22:30, Baby Deltic said: Just entering pedantic mode.... the cab steps were positioned differently......... just exiting pedantic mode.... just incase someone thinks of adapting a class 20 chassis for a baby deltic. Now you tell me! A1 models body on Lima class 20 chassis, no sign of footsteps but oh oh! sandboxes ....... 🤣 Edited November 14, 2022 by RedgateModels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
59004 ( was Shedcombe....) Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Tea Boy, You're right. As long as it's to decent Heljan standards, many will enjoy them. Have never experienced them in real life, but have a soft spot for their looks. More a baby 37 to me, in that sense. Sadly, building Falmouth Docks in Cornwall, of no use to me. Nor the BTH, and both would have been nice on the layout. --------------- RedgateModels, D5903, D5904 and D5909 did have the sandboxes ON ( if only briefly ? ) after overhaul !!!!!! Can send picture proof off forum ( PM or email ? ) Regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 tea boy - my apologies - the bogie frame shape is the same as the 20 (ignoring of course the sandbox and brake cylinder differences). I should have studied my Marsden & Fenn a bit more thoroughly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 well missed this one for a few days due to work commitments. Excellent news. This finally gives me the chance to ditch my "scratch built" 23 based on the Monty Wells 1983 RM which has been ongoing for nigh on 20 years. I will be definately getting two of the first batch D5909 and D5901 the Derby RCD machine that lasted till 1976. I wonder what ever happened to Monty Wells? He did a few very well written articles in the RM mag and then suddenly disssapeared, which was a shame. his best was the April eddition one with model and history of the NBL "Taurus" loco. Probably one of the funniest april 1st spoofs I've ever read. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I wonder what ever happened to Monty Wells? He did a few very well written articles in the RM mag and then suddenly disssapeared, which was a shame. He jumped ship to MRJ when it started - there are quite a few of his articles in the early editions. An epic conversion of Lima GWR railcars in to a 2 car set and a class 73 detailing article spring to mind. All beautifully illustrated and well worth tracking down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 He jumped ship to MRJ when it started - there are quite a few of his articles in the early editions. An epic conversion of Lima GWR railcars in to a 2 car set and a class 73 detailing article spring to mind. All beautifully illustrated and well worth tracking down. Thanks for that Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gary H Posted December 11, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 11, 2009 Great news for the hobby! Im also very glad i sold my kit built one when i did :icon_clap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Monty Wells passed away a few years ago. He was a Technical Author in the Aircraft Industry, reflecting in his articles being so clear and readable 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Monty Wells passed away a few years ago. He was a Technical Author in the Aircraft Industry, reflecting in his articles being so clear and readable Thanks for that. Very sad when you hear of somebody passing away, even if you never knew them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 The Baby Deltics also worked Engineering trains in Line Possessions, I would think their light weight would be an advantage over a class 31 on fresh track requiring Ballasting and Tamping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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