RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 20, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2013 Very useful at somewhere like Toton, where the hump control cabin was at about eye-level to the wagon buffers, but less so with the Modernisation Plan yards, where the controller was atop a tower. On vac-fitted wagons, there was often an empty, white-framed, box next to the number, which served the same purpose- being on the side, it was probably less useful. I'm sure I can remember reading at the time that the 'white framed box' was there for something else Brian - something to do with maintence perhaps my mind seems to recall. All I need to do is find the right edition of 'Modern Railways' Putting road numbers on wagon ends would have been of little use in most yards, let alone in modern hump yards (which worked off lists and punched tape anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 (edited) I'm sure I can remember reading at the time that the 'white framed box' was there for something else Brian - something to do with maintence perhaps my mind seems to recall. All I need to do is find the right edition of 'Modern Railways' Putting road numbers on wagon ends would have been of little use in most yards, let alone in modern hump yards (which worked off lists and punched tape anyway). There's another 'white box' (or black panel on grey wagons) that has pre-painted details for shopping/lifting etc, which were supposed to be updated (so you'd see different coloured paint being used to obliterate the old details). I specifically mentioned Toton, as I saw them looking out for these end markings; a far cry from yards like Margam, where you couldn't see the wagons, let alone the numbers, if the wind was blowing the wrong way (a combination of stife and sand). Edited November 20, 2013 by Fat Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 20, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2013 At Washwood Heath there was a Caller's hut on the hump where one of the shutters shouted out the road numbers that were chalked on. This was relayed to the box on the Tannoy system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 20, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2013 There's another 'white box' (or black panel on grey wagons) that has pre-painted details for shopping/lifting etc, which were supposed to be updated (so you'd see different coloured paint being used to obliterate the old details). I specifically mentioned Toton, as I saw them looking out for these end markings; a far cry from yards like Margam, where you couldn't see the wagons, let alone the numbers, if the wind was blowing the wrong way (a combination of stife and sand). Margam hump tower worked off the Train Meeter's list (which in any case was often a check against ATI for trains that were ATI) and officially it could be turned into a punched tape which worked the route setting leaving the operators to concentrate on the retarders although they did work manually at times. So there was no need for them to see any detail of the wagons at all. Shunting in a flat yard numbers would sometimes be chalked (on the side) but much of the shunting I saw was simply done from memory having studied the ATI list/taken a stour of the train first or as they went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 (edited) I'm sure I can remember reading at the time that the 'white framed box' was there for something else Brian - something to do with maintence perhaps my mind seems to recall. All I need to do is find the right edition of 'Modern Railways' Twas April 1963. Articles appeared around the same time in Transport Age, Design Magazine and on the cover of May 63 Midland edition of the BR staff magazine. Different Versions of “the Box” appeared on three 16 tonners painted in experimental liveries in 1961, along with experimental chalk panels on a 12 ton box van and an Ice blue container with boxed lettering and the railfreight crate logo. (You read it here first! ) I remember reading what the original purpose of the white box was for and why it fell out of use, but can’t bring the source to mind at the moment. Porcy Edit: Forgot to add this. Edited November 20, 2013 by Porcy Mane 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 ^^^ Obviously pre-elf n safety days. That half scale model one isn't even strapped down onto that 16-tonner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 R60B Nottm Midland 4th Auug 71 by Railway Dave, on Flickr 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 More KDH Flickr, sorry if posted already: 21/04/80 Conwy http://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/10667809705/ 20/07/67 Tebay http://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/10590222045/ End replated or in part but no paint? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 R60B Nottm Midland 4th Auug 71 by Railway Dave, on Flickr I wonder if that's coming from/going to Ruddington and East Leake, given the combination of military vehicles/sheeted minerals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted November 25, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 25, 2013 Have we had this? Apols if repeated. http://www.flickr.com/photos/kerryp28/5970806443/in/set-72157626289163775 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Have we had this? Apols if repeated. http://www.flickr.com/photos/kerryp28/5970806443/in/set-72157626289163775 Wish it still looked like that! Last day of the O.A.& G.B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted November 26, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2013 http://www.flickr.com/photos/kerryp28/5970804409/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Railways - 42405, 52461 and WD 2-8-0s on Sowerby Bridge Shed by Biffo1944, on Flickr 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Railways - 40645 on Hurlford Shed, 67B by Biffo1944, on Flickr 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Nice selection of vans in the Sowerby Bridge shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 27, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2013 Hi Brian I was thinking that. Has the GWR fruit van had its loovers boarded up? It looks too short to a rebuilt cattle van. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Hi Brian I was thinking that. Has the GWR fruit van had its loovers boarded up? It looks too short to a rebuilt cattle van. It's one of the purpose-built 'Goods Fruit' vans- basically a standard 12t Mink A with 'Siphon G' style louvres replacing the planking on the top third of the sides, and the strapping re-arranged accordingly. Quite strange to see one that had gone over to general use that early (1962)- even in the late 1960s, they were still being used for Channel Islands traffic from Weymouth, as I remember seeing a row of them at the exchange sidings for the Tramway then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Hi Brian I was thinking that. Has the GWR fruit van had its loovers boarded up? It looks too short to a rebuilt cattle van. If you go into the original site and go large - original it is not boarded up. A GWR version in original condition. A lot of detail available here, very nice. Paul 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 A lot of detail available here, very nice. Indeed. Note the variation in the colour of the roofs on the vans. The coal is also worthy of study. Very topical in the light of the current debate on the Bachmann Dukedog thread. Bernard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 45010 St Dunstan's 040879 by wwatfam, on Flickr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted November 29, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2013 Don't think we've had this one at Marylebone? http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/6806747986/in/set-72157627114678317 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Warrington Arpley by Kerry Parker (KP), on Flickr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Guide Bridge ? by Kerry Parker (KP), on Flickr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted November 30, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2013 Guide Bridge ? by Kerry Parker (KP), on Flickr errr shown in #1524 on prev page (except I've forgotten how to get pic to display so just had the link) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Here's one I've almost finished. It's a PECO kit but I've scratchbuilt the top flaps and a fabricated end door. I've also given it brakes on one side only with clutch type lever on the side with the brakes. It's only lightly weathered when compared with my previous efforts. I guess this one has had works attention, a repaint and re-lettering quite recently. You'll notice that the wheel on the far side right is shiny. For some reason the blackening chemical wouldn't touch this wheel but blackened the others well enough. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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