BR(W) Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Have we had this one before? http://www.flickr.com/photos/taffytank/5960942117/ If so, apologies - but surely worth a second look! BR(W) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Two L Type containers on a Conflat L. Don't think that would have happened very often??? P It must be stopped for repairs or something- if only two containers were to be loaded, I'd have thought there'd be one at either end, and not as shown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnw1 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Here is another one 31195 – http://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/8739611633/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 It wasn't the intention for this thread to be purely prototype inspiration. so I thought id document the building of a Parkside wagon. kit is for a vacuum fitted example but I will build it as an unfitted, just need to read back through the thread so I get everything correct. kit in the packet.. parts laid out. main sides and ends glued to the floor, then sprayed with grey primer, debating on leaving it this colour as it doesnt look far off. also glued in the brass bearings with Araldite and pulled out the wheels to EM gauge, gave those a little bit of araldite too. just need to read back on brake gear as its an area I often get confused with on these. Mike 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 15, 2013 Blimey Michael, that's been in the round tuit pile for a while? Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 You might want to check the underframe before you assemble it, Michael; I have an inkling that they used a 10' (40mm) one for the vac-fitted version, despite there only being a few hundred such wagons, none of which had this style of body (they lacked the top door). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjnewitt Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 The 10' wheelbase examples were built in the mid 70s to diagram 1/194 using redundant 17'6" underframes. This meant that the bodies were also longer that the standard 16T minerals. While on the subject of models here's a P4 one I recently put together. It's an unfitted BR clasp braked 1/108. There were about 2000 of these built with all the fittings for vacuum braking but without the cylinders or pipes. The undeframe is from my own etch with MJT catsings for the axleboxes and springs and Lanarkshire 1'81/2" Oleo buffers. It just needs screw couplings and then a trip to the paint shop. Michael I've got the 9' Parkside underframe that came with the above wagon body that you can have to replace the incorrect 10' one if you want it? It's complete and untouched. Justin 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 The 10' wheelbase examples were built in the mid 70s to diagram 1/194 using redundant 17'6" underframes. This meant that the bodies were also longer that the standard 16T minerals. While on the subject of models here's a P4 one I recently put together. It's an unfitted BR clasp braked 1/108. There were about 2000 of these built with all the fittings for vacuum braking but without the cylinders or pipes. The undeframe is from my own etch with MJT catsings for the axleboxes and springs and Lanarkshire 1'81/2" Oleo buffers. It just needs screw couplings and then a trip to the paint shop. 16T Unfitted Clasp Brake.JPG Michael I've got the 9' Parkside underframe that came with the above wagon body that you can have to replace the incorrect 10' one if you want it? It's complete and untouched. Justin That's a lovely piece of work, Justin; I wish I had the patience (and the asbestos fingers) do carry out work like that in brass. I'll have to carry on cut'n'shutting Red Panda underframes for mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 thanks everyone, this was just a cheap one I bought from our club shop last night. just didnt want a brown one but thats all that was there. I can see the difference holding it up to another wagon but I think I can live with it and itll just be a generic one to fill a rake, ill be building quite a few of these soon and will make sure i get the proper grey versions. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel W Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 (edited) At least you managed to get the body square, my last build was one of the cupboard door 16 tonners and I managed to end up with one of the corners sticking right out! God knows how I managed it, although I suspect that fitting both ends to the floor first caused everything to go a little wonky. Edited May 15, 2013 by DeathWatch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 talking about the body being square, I remember years ago some warping inward so will keep an eye on that. I cant remember the reason, the few I did many years ago in my teens I put a sheet of lead in the centre the size of the floor which may have been a reason, I also think now that thats a bit too much weight. Ill put some lead on the underneath,just trying to remember the recommended weight, pound or half a pound an axle? Its that long since ive built any plastic 4 wheel wagons. this will have a sprat and winkle coupling on one end. Ive also got these transfers which I think are Modelmaster which may do for now, but as always suggested improvements are always welcome. the other things, even though we've done so much research in this thread I jumped in and rushed this one a bit today, I cut off the bar between axle boxes but looking back there are shots of grey ones with them and I also couldnt remember if the brake shoes are on the same side all the time, but again looking back through the pics they seem to be on either side. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nickey Line Posted May 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 15, 2013 Ill put some lead on the underneath,just trying to remember the recommended weight, pound or half a pound an axle? A pound!?!? I hope you mean an ounce! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 yes ounce stupid boy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjnewitt Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 That's a lovely piece of work, Justin; I wish I had the patience (and the asbestos fingers) do carry out work like that in brass. I'll have to carry on cut'n'shutting Red Panda underframes for mine. Thanks Brian. It did take some time to put together but not as long as it took to do the artwork which still needs tweaking. Asbestos fingers do help enormously but I find they come with lots of soldering practise anyway! Justin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 found an old thread on model wagon weight, around 50 grams for a 4 wheel 4mm wagon. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=50272 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 reading back I cant find a answer to what is the best shade of grey paint that people use, preferably in a rattle can. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 reading back I cant find a answer to what is the best shade of grey paint that people use, preferably in a rattle can. Mike Mike, I don't think it really matters. Take a look at this pick of Barking Bills. Not 16 tonners, but there is as much variation in wagon grey as coach maroon... R1195 - March by BarkingBill, on Flickr Porcy 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 17, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) reading back I cant find a answer to what is the best shade of grey paint that people use, preferably in a rattle can. Mike Halfords acrylic grey undercoat does it for me, perfect for weathering on top of. Mike. Edit,, Also good for LMS coach roof grey. Edited May 17, 2013 by Enterprisingwestern 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 thanks, ive had a chat with Pete Johnson on how he paints his so will post up some pics of mine soon, meantime heres a nice shot Cheltenham Spa Malvern Road West Signal Box by geoff7918, on Flickr 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Nice photo. The unit's one of the Swindon Intercity ones that went to Scotland, isn't it? I wonder if they were allocated to the WR, or if it's simply doing mileage accumulation in passenger service before being handed over. I notice that there are some 24.5t minerals in view, with at least one definitely in Loco Coal use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 26, 2013 Author Share Posted May 26, 2013 (edited) Heaton Mersey Stockport. photographer J.W Sutherland. Cheadle Heath area 9.9.67 Sat. 48252 crossing Mersey on coal and ballast train Cheadle Heath area 9.9.67 Sat. 92086 on coal empties crossing the Mersey Heaton Mersey 27.1.68 92091 crossing the Mersey on freight Heaton Mersey 27.1.68 48720 near shed Heaton Mersey 27.1.68 48442 working coaling plant Edited May 26, 2013 by Michael Delamar 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel W Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Coal and ballast wagons in the same train!? What heresy is this?! Thats not prototypical at all! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 27, 2013 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) I like these shots at Falkirk in 1964 http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p395858735/h2E02880C#h5e042630 http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p395858735/h2E02880C#h5e04263e Edited May 27, 2013 by Michael Delamar 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted May 27, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2013 Cracking link, Michael! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 Barclay 2332/2494 by hugh llewelyn, on Flickr 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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