Michael Delamar Posted June 28, 2013 Author Share Posted June 28, 2013 Same thing, different colour, which is a good basecoat for "salty rust" style of weathering. http://www.ehattons.com/32873/Bachmann_Branchline_37_226F_Pack_of_4_16_ton_steel_mineral_wagon_with_top_flap_doors_in_BR_bauxite/StockDetail.aspx You also get a set of vac brake gubbins chucked in. Mike. Edit. Would help if I put the link in . are those Bachmann bauxite ones correct in as much as the wheelbase? easy repaint in grey if so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 28, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2013 are those Bachmann bauxite ones correct in as much as the wheelbase? easy repaint in grey if so. TBH, I haven't got any bauxite ones so I wouldn't know if Bachmann altered the underframe . Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) TBH, I haven't got any bauxite ones so I wouldn't know if Bachmann altered the underframe . Mike The ones I've got seem to be the correct length; don't forget to fit the second vac-cylinder, and also the tie-bar, which Bachmann seem to leave off all their vac-fitted stock. Cambrian are apparently doing etched ones for those who aren't content with a bit of brass wire, angle or strip. Has anyone tried these yet? Edited June 28, 2013 by Fat Controller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Hello, P, everyone. And spoked wheels? Excuse my 16T ignorance, but were any steel-bodied, BR-commissioned wagons specified with spoked wheels? Or would works simply use up stocks of such wheelsets, with the requisite journal size, left over from cancelled wooden-bodied orders? But then would the journal diameter of 10/12T wooden bodied wagons be the same as that for 16T steel-bodied versions? Or perhaps they were in-service replacements for original disc wheelsets? So many questions, so little knowledge - sorry. Cheers, BR(W). I've looked through my collection of early photos of these wagons. The only one with split spoke wheels that I have is of a slope sided version. There is a Don Rowland photo (therefore early 60s) with one spoke and one 3 hole wheel. A lot of BR workshop built wagons of the late 1940s and early 50s have split spoke (and to a lesser extent spoke) wheels. I don't think split spoke wheels were newly built after the early 1920s! However, the minerals were largely built by private and Ministry of war supply factories and they appear to have been able to get 3 hole wheels for their builds - I would assume (never good with BR history!) they were new. Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john flann Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) Lettered for the Hintock Quarry Company and as running on my Hintock. Edited June 30, 2013 by john flann 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Coalite Plant Askern by Paulio!, on Flickr P 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Internal user 16T wagons at Horwich Works in 1982: http://www.martynhilbert.railpic.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=241#top_display_media 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 http://www.flickr.com/photos/31509278@N08/8446831897/ Great find Porcy... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durham light infantry Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 http://www.flickr.com/photos/31509278@N08/8446831897/ Great find Porcy... Too right Duncan. Ex PO 1/100 (with a riveted repair bottom right), 1/108, rust liveried 1/109 and a coke hopper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 http://www.flickr.com/photos/31509278@N08/8446831897/ Great find Porcy... Not bad photos on there. Some smashing street scenes for the modeller. "Renishaw" is a slightly different technology to the Renishaw CMM probes, for measuring F1 Cars, hairyplanes and fuel rods I was more used to in my last real job. Illustrates well, the spoked wheels Mr Bartlett mentioned earlier. Must do some more digging on these P pre-fixed slope siders... P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 and a coke hopper. But without Mr Goads designed gusset holes... Hows he doing these days Mike? Have you seen him lately? P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Isn't it just a four figure number, pB9515 or 9575 ? I think you are probably right, but that then begs the question, barring it being the "victim" of an early re-body; was some of the wagons that were later allocated to diagram 100 built with straight sides and no bottom doors? Oh dear... Just had a look through my books and looking at the first pic in the first wagon book I ever bought, there is B96956, a Linwood build with no traders door, or bottom doors. (but Standard W Irons) P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 I like this one just for the atmosphere. Chesterfield Horns Bridge by Paulio!, on Flickr 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john flann Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) I couldn't find this image yesterday when posting my earlier ones, but here it is; my two HQC 16 tonners in Sheepcroft Yard, Hintock.. Not quite as much external rust in this instance having not been in service long. Sometimes I think hard wear is rather overdone. Edited July 1, 2013 by john flann 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durham light infantry Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 But without Mr Goads designed gusset holes... Hows he doing these days Mike? Have you seen him lately? P I have seen Ray a couple of times this year when I have been demonstrating. He usually comments on my wagons from a professional perspective, which is very helpful. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Not bad photos on there. Some smashing street scenes for the modeller. "Renishaw" is a slightly different technology to the Renishaw CMM probes, for measuring F1 Cars, hairyplanes and fuel rods I was more used to in my last real job. Illustrates well, the spoked wheels Mr Bartlett mentioned earlier. Must do some more digging on these P pre-fixed slope siders... P http://www.flickr.com/photos/31509278@N08/8446831897/ Great find Porcy... Dave Larkin has confirmed this is one of a large batch both built by and owned by Chas Roberts in 1943. [CR had an extremely large fleet of mineral wagons that they hired out] Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) dont think this very useful shot by Paul has been posted already, showing SUB EX2 writing.. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/recentlyadded/h5759b5ba#h5759b5ba Edited July 2, 2013 by Michael Delamar 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 2, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 2, 2013 Is it safe to assume that if a photograph depicting a wagon from a certain batch within a lot and diagram number shows, say, a pressed end door, then all that batch would be so fitted? Personally I'm hoping so! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Is it safe to assume that if a photograph depicting a wagon from a certain batch within a lot and diagram number shows, say, a pressed end door, then all that batch would be so fitted? Personally I'm hoping so! Mike. Ex-works, they might have been; however, doors were often replaced due to corrosion, so odd doors were fairly common. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Is it safe to assume that if a photograph depicting a wagon from a certain batch within a lot and diagram number shows, say, a pressed end door, then all that batch would be so fitted? Personally I'm hoping so! I follow your logic but don't think it can be any guarantee. More so, once a wagon so numerous as the humble 16 tonner got a few years under its belt, maintenance saw some side and end doors starting to get replaced. I suppose it boils down to trying to look at as many photographs as possible. Since Micheal started this thread, through looking at the many photographs being published on the internet, I’m beginning to think the pressed end door was more common than I originally thought. (Pressed ends being common on riveted wagons) Here is yet another. http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/b/birdbrook/index4.shtml P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 I wonder if any stock of 'spare' pressed-steel side and end doors were kept? Whilst the welded/rivetted doors could be bodged up fairly easily, it would take specialist press-tools to make the other type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 I wonder if any stock of 'spare' pressed-steel side and end doors were kept? Whilst the welded/rivetted doors could be bodged up fairly easily, it would take specialist press-tools to make the other type. Funny thing is with Pressed Steel building one of there Linwood factories specifically to build 16 tonners and that factory producing almost 24% of all BR built examples, I’ve never found a pic of one of their wagons with pressed end door. Admittedly I haven’t looked very hard and now expect to be shot down in flames… P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Funny thing is with Pressed Steel building one of there Linwood factories specifically to build 16 tonners and that factory producing almost 24% of all BR built examples, I’ve never found a pic of one of their wagons with pressed end door. Admittedly I haven’t looked very hard and now expect to be shot down in flames… P They did make the pressed-steel ends for a lot of other wagons, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Funny thing is with Pressed Steel building one of there Linwood factories specifically to build 16 tonners and that factory producing almost 24% of all BR built examples, I’ve never found a pic of one of their wagons with pressed end door. Admittedly I haven’t looked very hard and now expect to be shot down in flames… P They used welded fabrication, so had fabricated ends. On BR built wagons (ie not those numbered in the first 60k plus) the pressed door was used on those of rivetted construction. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mineralrivet The side doors varied more, either rivetted or fabricated when new. As mentioned swapping of doors soon started! This included with other sizes of minerals, such as the 24 1/2 tonners - this with one rivetted door http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralmeo/e416193f and I have a photo of another with pressed side doors. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 They used welded fabrication, so had fabricated ends. On BR built wagons (ie not those numbered in the first 60k plus) the pressed door was used on those of rivetted construction. Thanks Paul, Just for Mike at post #1308 and to illustrate there are always exceptions to the rule; here is a pic from earlier in the thread that shows a welded 1955 build by Maclellands with a pressed end door. 12 years old by the time the pic was taken but showing no evidence of a works visit or repaint. 65879 Seaton Bank 4.9.67 by George of Dufton, on Flickr P 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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