hmrspaul Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Thanks Paul, Just for Mike at post #1308 and to illustrate there are always exceptions to the rule; here is a pic from earlier in the thread that shows a welded 1955 build by Maclellands with a pressed end door. 12 years old by the time the pic was taken but showing no evidence of a works visit or repaint. 65879 Seaton Bank 4.9.67 by George of Dufton, on Flickr P Agreed, as with this brand new Birmingham RCW one http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e3c9c2154 and this, another Maclellan appears to have possibly retained a pressed end door all its 25 year life http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e3767c79d and this Derbyshire one http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e3cfe79f7 To change the subject, no one has mentioned these Met Cammell wagons with the inverted U channel support to the side stanchions http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e3d636ff5 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e392ba513 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e31d06226 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 4, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 4, 2013 Thanks Paul, Just for Mike at post #1308 and to illustrate there are always exceptions to the rule; here is a pic from earlier in the thread that shows a welded 1955 build by Maclellands with a pressed end door. 12 years old by the time the pic was taken but showing no evidence of a works visit or repaint. 65879 Seaton Bank 4.9.67 by George of Dufton, on Flickr P You surmise no evidence of works visit, but, having compared other photo's, an equal, smooth coating of rust on the side panels indicates replacements that have not been painted properly, compare with the adjacent wagon. Not saying it definitely is though mind. Thanks for the pic. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share Posted July 4, 2013 useful colour 1965 shot which can be zoomed in on giving the wagon number.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/david_christie/9173140530/ 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 You surmise no evidence of works visit, but, having compared other photo's, an equal, smooth coating of rust on the side panels indicates replacements that have not been painted properly, compare with the adjacent wagon. Not saying it definitely is though mind. Thanks for the pic. Mike. A couple of things about this photo; Is the train going down a gradient? The brakes on both vehicles seem to be partially pinned-down. The load's a bit odd for the NE; it looks like anthracite 'beans', both in size, and with the silvery lustre. Could it be coke or smokeless fuel of some type? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 4, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) A couple of things about this photo; Is the train going down a gradient? The brakes on both vehicles seem to be partially pinned-down. The load's a bit odd for the NE; it looks like anthracite 'beans', both in size, and with the silvery lustre. Could it be coke or smokeless fuel of some type? The title of the pic suggest it's probably on a gradient Brian And yes the brakes are pinned down - the amount of travel on the brake lever is usually a good clue to how old/worn the brake blocks are. With the pic enlarged the material in the wagon looks more like some type of broken up coke, certainly doesn't look like anthracite beans to me. Edited July 4, 2013 by The Stationmaster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) Going down Seaton bank. The line was originally rope worked. That point was a regular stop for pinning the brakes. The train probably originated from Hawthorn Combined mine; (Photographers of the time generally referred to Hawthorn as "South Hetton"). The product could be one of many grades of coal or coke. Hawthorn was a large coal preparation, coke and bye-products plant. It's shaft drew the coal production from surrounding collieries allowing those collieries to dispense with their coal washing plants and antiquated rail systems,hence the name combine. It was "state of the art "on opening in the late fifties to early sixties. Pinning in Action. 65811 Seaton Bank 23.5.67 by George of Dufton, on Flickr P Edited to try and sort out the formatting (and me gramma)... Edited July 4, 2013 by Porcy Mane 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share Posted July 7, 2013 loaded with scrap http://www.flickr.com/photos/95062750@N04/9233492482/ 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share Posted July 7, 2013 SUBEX2 http://www.flickr.com/photos/95062750@N04/9233558680/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share Posted July 7, 2013 alongside Warrington Dallam shed http://www.flickr.com/photos/95062750@N04/9230826989/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 not sure if we've seen this before...12 minutes of wagon heaven...with more 16tonners than you could wave a brake stick at... http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/205507 ...with thanks to Clive Mortimore from the original link 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 8, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 8, 2013 not sure if we've seen this before...12 minutes of wagon heaven...with more 16tonners than you could wave a brake stick at... http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/205507 ...with thanks to Clive Mortimore from the original link Heaven. Anyone notice the golden ochre Brush 2? What was the lettering on the minerals behind 92177? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Heaven. Anyone notice the golden ochre Brush 2? What was the lettering on the minerals behind 92177? Mike. It was long enough to be one of St Paul's Epistles.. I wonder if these might have been the 'Experimental' ones, fitted with clasp brake-gear, but with central vee-hangers, rather than offset ones. They were an experiment on behalf of Westinghouse, the nature of which I don't know. Thanks for posting the original link, Clive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 8, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) I am still worried about the "new boy" did he ever get his up and downs sorted out. I am glad to see that Anthony Brown has the same problem with 3 link couplings that I have. Edited July 8, 2013 by Clive Mortimore 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 not sure if we've seen this before...12 minutes of wagon heaven...with more 16tonners than you could wave a brake stick at... http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/205507 ...with thanks to Clive Mortimore from the original link Wonderful check out the golden ochre class 31 @ 02:25 too 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 8, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 8, 2013 I found all the freight stock in the video interesting. I do agree that the 16 ton minerals behind the spaceship seem to be a set of experimental automatic brake wagons. Not sure if they are air brake, from the photos I have seen of the air bake set they were hauled by a standard five with airbrakes on its smokebox. The only air brake equiped 9Fs were those on the Consett ore trains. Anyone else notice the LNER 0-6-0 shunter at 5.14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 8, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 8, 2013 Anyone else notice the LNER 0-6-0 shunter at 5.14 No, I watched it at half past three. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 not sure if we've seen this before...12 minutes of wagon heaven...with more 16tonners than you could wave a brake stick at... http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/205507 ...with thanks to Clive Mortimore from the original link Stupendous! Brought back a few memories. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 8, 2013 Author Share Posted July 8, 2013 Anyone else notice the LNER 0-6-0 shunter at 5.14 I thought something was odd about it, thought it had a sort of low stance, brilliant bit of film that id love to be able to get a copy somehow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 I found all the freight stock in the video interesting. I do agree that the 16 ton minerals behind the spaceship seem to be a set of experimental automatic brake wagons. Not sure if they are air brake, from the photos I have seen of the air bake set they were hauled by a standard five with airbrakes on its smokebox. The only air brake equiped 9Fs were those on the Consett ore trains. Anyone else notice the LNER 0-6-0 shunter at 5.14 Hi Clive, sorry but it's a common misconception, the Tynedock 9Fs didn't have airpumps for brakes they were for operating the hopper wagon doors. The wagons themselves being vacuum brake fitted. Two Britannias had airpumps on the smokebox as well as the two Standard fives for the airbrake trials, I'm told the actual airpumps used (including the Tynedock locos) were take-offs from the WDs when their 'Continental' airbrake equipment was removed. All the best, Dave Franks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 I am still worried about the "new boy" did he ever get his up and downs sorted out. I am glad to see that Anthony Brown has the same problem with 3 link couplings that I have. Clive When it comes to 3 links that makes 3 of us... If you've not already explored the East Anglia Film Archive...you could do a lot worse than watch... http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/203591 Melton Constable in its death throws...not many 16 tonners but some nice shunting action... http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/139644 The Wisbech and Upwell during the strawberry season http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/76 The classic BTF film with Betjeman on his way to Hunstanton...only the very slightest glimpse of a 16 tonner right at the end...however, anyone get the number of the newly painted LMS van at 'Snetsham'? Cheers Duncan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 8, 2013 Author Share Posted July 8, 2013 theres a great 1956 film in there about the class 306 EMU's http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/594 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 8, 2013 Author Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) anyone get the number of the newly painted LMS van at 'Snetsham'? Cheers Duncan ive got that on DVD so its a lot clearer, the train is moving so this is the best I can do... easier to see on the DVD, I think its m5997766 Edited July 9, 2013 by Michael Delamar 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/613 A day in the life of Manningtree from 1979...almost makes you want to start painting everything blue...nice sequence shunting 16 and 24 1/2 tonners... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 http://www.yfaonline.com/film/no6-railway-market-weighton-railway-station-closure-demolition I must stop watching films on the interweb...yet more 16 tonners...this time with a Yorkshire perspective and some very nice loose shunting. Porcy...is that a very late LNER brake van at 12:37? Other highlights include preserved K1 62005 on a pick up goods and a class 40 on a 2 coach train (with 'swingers') Cheers Duncan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 9, 2013 Author Share Posted July 9, 2013 Paragon Rebuild - I by SydPix, on Flickr Paragon Rebuild - II by SydPix, on Flickr 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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