Invicta Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) Judging by the full page ad in Hornby mag for the imminent Warley expo, there will be a Fell running amok there in 7mm. I've already contacted my therapist. Especially if it's got sound....apparently, according to John Cove, a former Paxman director who was there at the time the Fell was being trialled, it sounded as hideous as it looked: Finally there was the problem of the AEC auxiliary engines and the Rootes blowers they drove to supercharge the main engines. In the station, with maximum boost required for starting the train from rest the noise from these was hideous, especially as it was added to the noise caused by the radiator fans and six engines also running. At that time a number of competitors were running various other prototypes on British Rail and when the Fell locomotive passed them their service engineers always made a point of ostentatiously blocking their ears! http://www.paxmanhis....uk/paxfell.htm Edited October 15, 2011 by Invicta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted October 15, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 15, 2011 Golden Arrow ....... http://www.semgonlin...gapldr-kit.html Ha! beat you to it Graham, serves you right for playing astonauts Thanks Ian...im back from playing astonauts now.... He is my Bulleid Leader made up using some of the Golden Arrow Production parts (and as seen on Fisherton Sarum) Note to OP, it is of course Bulleid not Bullied... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 That thing shown above takes the wooden spoon for being the ugliest thing I ever saw. And people say the 'Fell' is ugly....! I'll bet because of its looks, some of you think its modern image.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I know Larry, it's just wrong! Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Just dug this trannie out of the attic in case folk forget the Leaders were lined out.... A real Leader is below, the first Atlantic to run in this country.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I was worried for a second when Coach mentioned digging a tranny out of the attic... I thought it was perhaps Lorne Spicer unearthing Aled Jones in a dress. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 16, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 16, 2011 Going back to the original post apparently some US based religious character has predicted that the world will end this coming Friday (21 October) so perhaps the question should be 'Will the world end before anyone does an r-t-r Bulleid 'Leader'? (BTW the US gent involved previously predicted that the world was going to end in, I think, May this year but has since confirmed that date was an error on his part and it was merely the date on which the 'chosen few' to survive were picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Hmmm, That'll be everyone, then!!!!!! Cheers, John E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Hard to choose: End of World vs Bulleid Leader? Both ugly scenarios (and both equally unlikely?) Best, Pete. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Going back to the original post apparently some US based religious character has predicted that the world will end this coming Friday (21 October) so perhaps the question should be 'Will the world end before anyone does an r-t-r Bulleid 'Leader'? (BTW the US gent involved previously predicted that the world was going to end in, I think, May this year but has since confirmed that date was an error on his part and it was merely the date on which the 'chosen few' to survive were picked. Yes, ninety year old Mr. Harold Camping is hoping that the third time is the charm. His first prediction was September 6, 1994, followed by May 21, 2011 and now October 21, 2011. Apparently we can anticipate earthquakes as a precursor. He was able to survive a stroke since he pushed out his earlier prediction by some five months. I feel like I can predict with some confidence that we won't see either an RTR Leader or the end of the world next Friday. Won't I look silly if we did? Perhaps a bit sarcastically, I'd rather ask 'will we see a plastic moulded, RTR, as-built Merchant Navy before we see a Leader'? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT3 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 A RTR Fell or 10800? Well count me in I will certainly have one, especially if there is a coice of the 4-8-4 or 4-4-4-4 wheel arrangements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 A RTR Fell or 10800? Well count me in I will certainly have one, especially if there is a coice of the 4-8-4 or 4-4-4-4 wheel arrangements! Hello all, I always thought that the Fell loco was more like a 4-D-4 or a 4-Do-4 as IIRC it had gears between the driving wheels as well as coupling rods and traction motors on each axle? OzzyO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) Hello all, I always thought that the Fell loco was more like a 4-D-4 or a 4-Do-4 as IIRC it had gears between the driving wheels as well as coupling rods and traction motors on each axle? OzzyO Traction motors?? it was full diesel mechanical drive, via the Fell Differential Gearbox of considerable complexity, which was it's downfall. The auxillary diesels powered the electric supplies for heating etc, and starting the main diesel engines. The complex arrangement was to provide as near stepless gearbox ratios as possible, as the locomotive pulled away under full power, and then to cut back as it reached normal speed. Stephen Edited October 17, 2011 by bertiedog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) I said the Auxiliary engines started the main engines, in fact the same Batteries that were charged by the Auxiliary engines started the main Four Paxman Diesels, and it's official designation was 4-8-4, although as the central pair were connected by the rods, the gearbox connected the inner sets as well. In use it was found the middle couplings rods were simply not needed, the gearbox did the coupling on it's own, and in theory the designation remains the same at 4-8-4 , despite the change. It was smoother running with the rods altered. but by all accounts it was remarkably smooth anyway, just very noisy!!!! Edited October 17, 2011 by bertiedog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Then perhaps it could be a stationary model or supplied in bits as was its fate for much of its life. A DCC controlled burning fireman might be a nice touch too. As a side note, does anyone know what became of the shed plates and other bits? Same place those of the Blue Pullman went? I've just read - in an article about John G. Click for a forthcoming Steam World - that JGC had the numberplate off 36001 over his fireplace. CHRIS LEIGH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 A real Leader is below, the first Atlantic to run in this country.... I am sure that we will get the GNR/LBSCR Atlantic family at some point, possibly provoked by the LBSCR build getting operational? Going back to the original post apparently some US based religious character has predicted that the world will end this coming Friday (21 October) so perhaps the question should be 'Will the world end before anyone does an r-t-r Bulleid 'Leader?'... Never ceases to amaze me that the followers of these charlatans do not detect the complete logical inconsistency of their position. The source text they depend on indicates in plain language that the date is and will forever remain unknown to humankind; until it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 and it's official designation was 4-8-4, although as the central pair were connected by the rods, the gearbox connected the inner sets as well. Hello Stephen all, as I did say I was working from memory so I don't know why I mentioned traction motors when the Fell loco was a D.M. loco. OzzyO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted October 17, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 17, 2011 I've just read - in an article about John G. Click for a forthcoming Steam World - that JGC had the numberplate off 36001 over his fireplace. CHRIS LEIGH Hi Chris Indeed he did, I am unware of what happend to it when he passed on, his photographs were given by his estate to the NRM (which is why they were availble for the Second book on the Leader by K.Robertson), maybe the NRM got the plate too if those dealing with his estatre even knew of its significance? He was, when I spoke to him many years ago, in the process of writing his own book about his time on the Southern and also the Leader but to my knowledge this manuscript has never come to light as it is not with NRM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_R Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 A RTR Leader may be on the horizon, follow the link below....... http://www.loconotion.co.uk/page_1227896732286.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted April 4, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2012 Any idea of the date for that press release? Was it last Sunday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted April 4, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2012 A very distant horizon I think you will find that announcement is at least two years old! Bear in mind they advise the release appeared in issue 19 of Hornby Magazine and we are now on issue 58! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted April 4, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2012 With the current oil situation I intend to commission a full size turf burner to run over the re-opened Woodhead line on locally sourced fuel. Condensing gear will be fitted to allow working through the tunnels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattog Posted April 4, 2012 Author Share Posted April 4, 2012 Martin A very distant horizon I think you will find that announcement is at least two years old! Bear in mind they advise the release appeared in issue 19 of Hornby Magazine and we are now on issue 58! Another forum had news of the project still going ahead, can't remember the details though. Maybe the Dapol guys have some further information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZmodeller Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Hi Everyone, As they don't intend to proceed until there is sufficient commitment from buyers it could be quite a while. It's actually surprising there isn't a model of it already, it would be fascinating to watch and to hear too if anyone has an idea of how to represent how it sounded. Wrong scale/era/region for me and a completely bonkers design but a compelling subject - following with interest. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Looking at the shop's website it's not exactly the most settled business I have ever seen and it appears to now be a one man band. That is not to say they are not capable of delivering this project but I wouldn't put any money up front to a company with no proper website and an online shop that has very little stock whose opening hours look to be Saturday and Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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