Andy Y Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Nope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted January 31, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2015 There is a bit of an ethical question mark over the GBL products. I don't have a Bachmann C class to make a direct comparison, but looking at photos it would appear that GBL have made a model of a model. There are differences which would tend to rule out a Bachmann model being scanned, but it looks likely that the Bachmann model has been one of the primary reference sources. It should be noted that there have been far more blatant copies out there from the 'coal' locos obviously moulded from lightly modified Airfix kits, to resin cast bodies which bore suspicious similarities to rtr offerings. Now does this matter? In one sense no, or at least not in my case. Though I've seen pictures of the Bachmann model, and it looks very nice, at £100(ish) I would never have bought one just for my display case. Bachmann have suffered no loss as a consequence of my purchase. If I suddenly came over all green and wanted an SECR layout and a working C class then I'd go out and buy Bachmann, rather than faff around with a conversion of the GBL loco; there's no future consequential loss in my case. The problematical grey area comes when other modellers do use the GBL models as a route to a cheap alternative to the Bachmann and Hornby locos which they're 'inspired' by. However, there have been suggestions elsewhere that one of the major rtr manufacturers isn't above cutting corners on its own research budget by hoovering up photos from the net and not stumping up the moderate reproduction fee requested. Is what we're witnessing a symptom of economic slowdown and belt tightening, or will businesses always seek to cut costs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2015 There is a bit of an ethical question mark over the GBL products. I take the point about the relative difficulty/amount of faffing around to motorise one of these GBL locos, but given that the GBL range appears to pretty much mirror much of the current Bachmann catalogue, I'm still surprised that Bachmann seem to be taking this lying down (or are they?). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted January 31, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2015 I doubt that there's much they can do CK. It doesn't look like GBL have made a direct copy by scanning (or other reproductive copying process), but that the model has been a key part of their reference material. An interesting illustrative parallel would be if I took a Cuneo painting like this, and painted a copy of it, referring mainly to the original painting, clearly and unambiguosly signed it with my name, and flogged it for less than a tenth of the genuine item. It's not an easy one to call. I imagine that at some stage many will have mended/attempted to mend their own cars. Very often one would be faced with the choice of manufacturers genuine spare or pattern spare. I'd guess that many will have chosen the cheaper pattern item. There's one last question that I should ask of myself; how would I feel if something similar happened with one of my kits? So far none of my vast range of quality items has attracted the attention of a competitor, but if it did would I manage philosophical detachment or would I be hopping mad and turning purple with rage? If I thought that the kit had been scanned or a mould taken directly I would probably be a bit peeved; if I felt that an 'all someone's own work' copy had been made I'd like to think that I would shrug it off. It's not I'll admit a likely scenario, but the major rtr boys must have developed thickish commercial skins as there are a good number of duplicated models across their ranges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 However, there have been suggestions elsewhere that one of the major rtr manufacturers isn't above cutting corners on its own research budget by hoovering up photos from the net and not stumping up the moderate reproduction fee requested. Is what we're witnessing a symptom of economic slowdown and belt tightening, or will businesses always seek to cut costs? Remember when Bachmann announced that they were doing a BR cattle wagon? They used a photo of a finished Dapol/Airfix kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted February 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2015 There's one last question that I should ask of myself; how would I feel if something similar happened with one of my kits? So far none of my vast range of quality items has attracted the attention of a competitor, but if it did would I manage philosophical detachment or would I be hopping mad and turning purple with rage? If I thought that the kit had been scanned or a mould taken directly I would probably be a bit peeved; if I felt that an 'all someone's own work' copy had been made I'd like to think that I would shrug it off. It's not I'll admit a likely scenario Well, that's exactly what happened to someone known to both me and one of our mutual friends. He had a range of 16mm NG stuff, and was a very talented model maker as well. He is adamant that his stuff was pirated by another 'manufacturer' and marketed by this individual, passing it all off entirely as his own. He became very bitter about it and the experience left such a sour taste in his mouth that he felt that (after a gap of a few years) it simply wasn't worth re-starting model railway kit production again. Regardless of the legality of that situation, (and regardless of whether some people think he ought to have just shrugged it off), the experience damaged him and the hobby is that much poorer as a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted February 2, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2015 Whilst I've no doubt that ethics will return, I have a couple of photos showing recent progress on the road which cuts through the landscape ... .... and of the hardshell which now reaches half way round the Abertafol inlet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
branchie Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Now just imagine those mountains with a few hundred wind turbines on them ..... Seriously though, that some cracking modelling sir. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLD Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Now just imagine those mountains with a few hundred wind turbines on them .....Seriously though, that some cracking modelling sir. No worse than the concrete cube with a nuclear reactor inside in the next valley... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted February 2, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2015 No worse than the concrete cube with a nuclear reactor inside in the next valley... Actually I think the concrete cube is a fantastic piece of architecture. It was the work of Sir Basil Spence who also designed the rebuilt Coventry Cathedral. I understand that as part of the decommissioning process the local residents were given the option of either retaining the building as is or for it to be lowered as far as practically possible. Unfortunately (from my standpoint) they chose the latter. It's a shame, it has all the magnificence of a castle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
branchie Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Actually I think the concrete cube is a fantastic piece of architecture. It was the work of Sir Basil Spence who also designed the rebuilt Coventry Cathedral. I understand that as part of the decommissioning process the local residents were given the option of either retaining the building as is or for it to be lowered as far as practically possible. Unfortunately (from my standpoint) they chose the latter. It's a shame, it has all the magnificence of a castle. Which is exactly what it's design (particularly the 'extra lumpy bits' on the roof) was meant to represent! It really is a terrific, imposing design. How I miss the nuclear flask trains waking me up in the morning! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted February 8, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 8, 2015 Got a bit more plastered yesterday. Because the initial plaster mix ends up a bit rough, I'm part way through the process of brushing on a mix of plaster, pva and acrylic paint. I'm aiming for a consistency with a degree of self leveling but not so runny that it all trickles off downhill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Where's the new "Jealous" button...???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted February 16, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2015 More work, more pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted February 20, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 20, 2015 Today I installed a pair of sockets on the hillside overlooking the Abertafol inlet. This allowed me to temporarily plant a pair of John Farmer's (Re 6/6) magnificent trees there. I have in mind a better location for them, but it allowed me to compose this view; a shot that had been in my mind for several years waiting for construction to catch up with concept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Last pic is really nice Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted February 21, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2015 Hi Neil, a lovely view indeed. Setting up little "milestones" like this and giving yourself time to enjoy them is good strategy for keeping long-term projects going, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted June 2, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2015 After a fallow period, Morfa motivation is bubbling away again but this time I've turned my attentions to the station area. I had the platform surfaces cut out from grey mount board for a couple of years so set about converting 2-D to 3-D. Not wishing to get into a granny and egg sucking situation I'll let the images speak for themselves, though as ever I'm up for pertinent questions. Whilst glue and paint was drying I've also been experimenting with single link couplings for my carriage stock. Though I like three links I dislike the loose coupled movement they impart to passenger (and parcels) trains. Many of the auto couplers have the same amount of back and forth jostling inherent in their design. The single link shown in the following photos has minimal play and a train equipped with them moves pretty much as one. The other important factor is their complete compatibility with three links. On a 2'radius curve and ..... ..... on the straight. With the body put back on a two coach train pauses at Morfa. Lastly I've had a mini project on the go, centred on Jones Motors. The car of the week has had its price displayed in the windscreen. Round the back its fellow Imp doesn't look so happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted June 3, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2015 Though the station is a long way from being finished, this photo should show what I'm aiming for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 The round things in the photo's are obviously tuits. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted June 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 3, 2015 Neil, the single link coupling seems like a good idea, hope you don't mind a 'couple' of questions (sorry!). Do you just use the moulded on hook or have you fitted a metal one? Does it work if propelling, or do you only use in a forward direction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted June 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 3, 2015 'M Jones Motors'? would you buy a used car from this man? Love the oil leak, but did they have that much oil in them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted June 3, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2015 Neil, the single link coupling seems like a good idea, hope you don't mind a 'couple' of questions (sorry!). Do you just use the moulded on hook or have you fitted a metal one? Does it work if propelling, or do you only use in a forward direction? Not at all Rich; I've used a metal hook (either Smiths or Romford) and I have to admit that propelling moves sometimes result in the single loop riding up the back edge of the hook and uncoupling. It's all a bit experimental at the moment, once I've ironed the bugs out I intend to make a single loop styled to look more like a screw link coupling and fit to all my passenger and parcels stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonas Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Looking brilliant Neil. I love seeing updates of your progress! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted June 4, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 4, 2015 Not at all Rich; I've used a metal hook (either Smiths or Romford) and I have to admit that propelling moves sometimes result in the single loop riding up the back edge of the hook and uncoupling. It's all a bit experimental at the moment, once I've ironed the bugs out I intend to make a single loop styled to look more like a screw link coupling and fit to all my passenger and parcels stock. I have seen a single loop used in 0 gauge with a piece of rod fixed across the middle arranged so when propelling the rod pushes against the front of the hook and avoids the uncoupling. I would imagine the issue is to position the rod so it will still couple easily. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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