Portchullin Tatty Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Colin, I have only just come across this thread as I tend to concentrate on the scratchbuild threads. However, your work is fabulous and really captures these EMUs that seemed to take me almost everywhere int eh 1980's (I lived in Guildford). You have a real way with plastic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 2, 2012 Author Share Posted September 2, 2012 Colin, I have only just come across this thread as I tend to concentrate on the scratchbuild threads. However, your work is fabulous and really captures these EMUs that seemed to take me almost everywhere int eh 1980's (I lived in Guildford). You have a real way with plastic! Many thanks Porthchullin Tatty! It is hard to keep up with all the threads and I have only been active on this topic for the most part of this year. The next project will revert to the scratch-building section - just to confuse you! Re. "a way with plastic" - I do think plastic is very forgiving and versatile: even the coach sides on the model now have been cut-and-shut, which would be hard to achieve in any other material. I too went all over the place on these units, in the late sixties and early seventies in my case. All the best Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 2, 2012 Author Share Posted September 2, 2012 Today is going to be a long day: it is cutting out the glazing time! With the sides all being separate items (at least for now in the case of the DTCLs), it is not too hard to cut out and temporarily glaze the windows. It is just that there are 88 of them, The outer glazing is cut to fit in the window aperture and is held in by the etched window frame edges. It is now that sloppy work is revealing itself, with some delicate work with the knife to correct lumpy bits on the rebates etc. A bit of the 'cutting-and shutting' mentioned in my previous post can be seen on the r/h side of this particular window. A second pane fits in the recess in the sidebehind the outer pane, thus making each window double-glazed. This inner pane will have the 'No-Smoking and 'First Class' transfers applied to the outer face and orange curtains painted on the inner. The theory is that the curtains will appear to stand off the side by about two scale inches. Only the inner pane will be glued in place. OK, so that's 176 individual parts to cut and carefully store until after the sides are painted and finished. Galzing the door droplights is complicated by the fact that there are door hinges and other door fittings which protrude behind. Re. painting, I stumbled across a very interesting topic on bow pens by Mike Trice in the 'Painting & wethering' section. Post #11 by Coachmann gives what must be the last word on how to paint bi-coloured coach sides. His explanation he refers to BR blood and custard liveried coaches, but should work with BR blue/grey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 8, 2012 Author Share Posted September 8, 2012 Windows all cut out and safely stored away. There were more than 176 - I'd forgotten about the cab fronts (12 more pieces) and all the droplights (26). Tonight the gangway ends on the cabs were given a little extra detailing in the form of a lot of tiny holes. Excuse the wonky buffer head. The buffing plates have had their shafts (or whatever these bits are called) added. The narrow end is attached to the plate and the thicker part to the headstock. On the inner ends, these parts are only attached to the gangway and are 1mm short of the headstock to allow the gangway to turn on curves. Painting starts tomorrow hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 15, 2012 Author Share Posted September 15, 2012 Slight progress this week: This is the interior, such as it is , for the MBSO. This particular module has shallow seats due to it sitting atop the motor coach's large ballast weight (which is 3.5mm thick). The other three interior assemblies will be built onto the original Bachmann floors. I am hoping to recycle the seat/partion mouldings for the first class compartments of the DTCLs. The exact layout of the 4 CIG interiors seems to look different in some photos to the plans I have. One photo on the web clearly shows a partition (with no sliding door) in what looks like a picture of an MBSO interior. I wonder if this was a picture of an internally refurbished unit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share Posted September 16, 2012 Making the most of a wet Sunday, the reat of the seating has been made. These ones still need tidying up with a needle file to round off the edges. Absolute fidelity to the prototype seating has not been observed! Lucky that the first class seats do not have to be scratch-built too. A view through Pete Harvey's excellent etched windows on the motor coach shows the seat module in place. The shallowness of the seats does not show too much. Only the inner sides of the seats have been modelled as the outer ones will not be visible from any normal viewing angle. There should be arm pads on the seat side panels. They have not been fitted, but despite being an absolute fiddle to fit over 70 such tiny things, I am tempted to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Looking very nice Colin. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 There should be arm pads on the seat side panels. They have not been fitted, but despite being an absolute fiddle to fit over 70 such tiny things, I am tempted to do so. Couldn't these just be represented by paint, Colin? I assume the inner walls are going to be painted at some stage anyway. If it were 7mm scale I'd expect the proper Formica patterning to be printed, of course! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 Looking very nice Colin. Pete Thanks Pete! I have now carefully super-glued all your windows in place. Working with the point of a pin, each frame now has a minute fillet of glue on the top and bottm edge. The vertical edges of the frames are held tight to the sides due to their curvature. Considering the rough handling the sides have had in trial-fittng the glazing, this seems to be a pretty durable method of fixing. All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Couldn't these just be represented by paint, Colin? I assume the inner walls are going to be painted at some stage anyway. If it were 7mm scale I'd expect the proper Formica patterning to be printed, of course! This is off the walls of a 4BIG buffet car. Shouldn't be too much problem to cut out in plasticard! I thinking of doing this design as a bathroom floor. I don't remember any doors [sliding or otherwise] in the middle of the MBSO or SO - the only ones in the units were in the driving trailers between the open saloon and the compartment the bogs. Had many uncomfortable rides in this horrid part of the unit when there was nowhere else to stand. That long bench seat next to the guards van was a much nicer, favourite spot. That corridor connection with all the drilled holes is a work of art. R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilkko Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Still teaseing with the paint job, them seats are great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 Couldn't these just be represented by paint, Colin? I assume the inner walls are going to be painted at some stage anyway. If it were 7mm scale I'd expect the proper Formica patterning to be printed, of course! Hi Bernard, The arm pads are about 3" x 3" x 9" on the real thing and they seem to sit on top of the panels at each end of the seat unit. It's only a matter 1mm x 1mm x 3mm in 4mm scale, but the MK1 type windows are quite large and allow a much better view of the interior than those of my previous EMU models. Having said that, the Bachmann Mk1 interiors are very simple but effective, so perhaps 'less is more' in this case. As for formica-clad compartment walls, it would be possible to add an overlay of 10 thou. plasticard on the inside face... Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 Having looked at the link to the Smeg webpage with photos of bogies, Red Dwarf hacked in to the Southern Electric Group! Hi 32a, Sorry, I don't understand your post! Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kintbury jon Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Smeg head was often an insult used in the excellent comedy Red Dwarf. The CIG looks great by the way! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 This is off the walls of a 4BIG buffet car. Shouldn't be too much problem to cut out in plasticard! I thinking of doing this design as a bathroom floor. I don't remember any doors [sliding or otherwise] in the middle of the MBSO or SO - the only ones in the units were in the driving trailers between the open saloon and the compartment the bogs. Had many uncomfortable rides in this horrid part of the unit when there was nowhere else to stand. That long bench seat next to the guards van was a much nicer, favourite spot. That corridor connection with all the drilled holes is a work of art. R Hi Raphael, Thanks for the information and picture. The Pete Harvey etches do contain windows for a 4 BIG, so you never know what might happen next. As for the query I raised re. the partitions, it could be a case of a mis-named photo. The DTCLs will have the internal layout as you describe. I'm not too proud of my hole-drilling on the gangway ends - see Ceptic's photos! All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 Still teaseing with the paint job, them seats are great. Hi pilkko, There has been a lot of practising with a borrowed airbrush, but from experience of previous builds, the painting has been postponed until the interiors have been proved to fit. Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 Smeg head was often an insult used in the excellent comedy Red Dwarf. The CIG looks great by the way! Thanks for the clarification kintbury jon. I don't get to watch much TV these days, but now you mention it, I do remember that line from Red Dwarf! Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I'm not too proud of my hole-drilling on the gangway ends - see Ceptic's photos! All the best, Colin They look damn good to me. , ......(as does the Yellow tint. Is it Warning or Connex Yellow ?) I was surprised Hornby managed it on their skinny ones. Now,....about those dead flies ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Just taken a second look at the last pic. on this page. http://www.semgonlin...es/421equip.pdf At first, I thought it was of the ex Cl.411 TSL, but it's not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 They look damn good to me. , as does the Yellow tint. Is it Warning or Connex Yellow ? I was surprised Hornby managed it on their skinny ones. Now,....about those dead flies ? Hi there Ceptic! There are one or two anomalies in the posititions of the 'holes', but to be honest, they don't show up greatly. (I am in denial more like). As for the colour of the cab fronts, it's is just an accident, having left the camera on the wrong light setting. The whole unit is still 'in-the-white' despite my constant assertions that I will be painting it. The dead flies will be made from bits of the swarf saved from when the 'holes' were drilled in the black plasticard. Seriously though, I might try a bit of airbrush spatter to represent this feature. Most prominent on 4 CIG cab fronts seemed to be the accumulation of brown gunge above the cab gangway shroud which obscured the yellow painted cab top. Tonight will be spent trying to get the remaining three interiors at least to the point of aligning the seats etc. with the body sides. I have no accurate plans for the interiors, so this job will have to be done by eye. Having looked again on the web, it appears that there are numerous photos on Flickr (correct spelling?!) showing CIGs with a partition dividing the saloon areas of the MBSO and maybe in the TSO too. Could this be to do with No-Smoking areas I wonder? No published plans show any intermediate partitions. All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 Just taken a second look at the last pic. on this page. http://www.semgonlin...es/421equip.pdf At first, I thought it was of the ex Cl.411 TSL, but it's not. Hi Ceptic, I've had a look. No brake rigging on the TSO suits me just fine! Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted September 18, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2012 You do know that Bachmann will release a model now. That EMU though is good, good luck with painting it, it always scares me. As to Smeg - many laughs in electrical stores at the fridges, usually whistling or singing "Lying ship wrecked and comatose" ect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 18, 2012 Author Share Posted September 18, 2012 You do know that Bachmann will release a model now. That EMU though is good, good luck with painting it, it always scares me. As to Smeg - many laughs in electrical stores at the fridges, usually whistling or singing "Lying ship wrecked and comatose" ect Hi MJI, If Bachmann do release a model of the dreaded 4 CIG good luck to them. However, I did bend the ear of the Hornby chap at DEMU about 4 CIGs, as they have the chassis already in the form of the ill-fated 4 VEP. So you never know what might happen. Colin (still not painting anything) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted September 18, 2012 Author Share Posted September 18, 2012 Ah, the DTCL interiors! What an unexpectedly complex job. There are photos on flickriver of 'a typical 4 CIG interior'. One view showed a saloon with a partition. Eventually it clicked that this partition was in the DTCL, not that it is indicated on any drawings. The parts look like a couple of Space Invaders. The windows have had the top corners removed to clear the side assembly. Almost modifying RTR here, by re-using the first class seating from the Bachmann BCKs. I have a horrible feeling one of the DTCL's first class compartments would not have had arm rests, being used as second class seating. The opposite view of the compartment module, with sliding doors and so on. The interior now fitted to the original Bachmann floor. The gangway at the front end is not straight - another complication! The front face of the gangway has been blanked-off to provide a fixing point for the screws that will hold the cab front in place. (That's the theory anyway.) The horizontal slot is there to clear the strengthening rib/control desk top which is on the inside of the cab front. A view of the saloon end with the partition in place. It should be possible to see why the two windows were cut away. And after all that, this is all you can see from the outside! Going to lie in a dark room now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted September 19, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2012 Ah, the DTCL interiors! What an unexpectedly complex job. There are photos on flickriver of 'a typical 4 CIG interior'. One view showed a saloon with a partition. Eventually it clicked that this partition was in the DTCL, not that it is indicated on any drawings. The parts look like a couple of Space Invaders. The windows have had the top corners removed to clear the side assembly. Almost modifying RTR here, by re-using the first class seating from the Bachmann BCKs. I have a horrible feeling one of the DTCL's first class compartments would not have had arm rests, being used as second class seating. The opposite view of the compartment module, with sliding doors and so on. The interior now fitted to the original Bachmann floor. The gangway at the front end is not straight - another complication! The front face of the gangway has been blanked-off to provide a fixing point for the screws that will hold the cab front in place. (That's the theory anyway.) The horizontal slot is there to clear the strengthening rib/control desk top which is on the inside of the cab front. A view of the saloon end with the partition in place. It should be possible to see why the two windows were cut away. And after all that, this is all you can see from the outside! Going to lie in a dark room now... Hi Colin It gets better and better. But it's bring the fateful day closer and closer that the only job left is the paint. Cheers SS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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