Rugd1022 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Up with the lark on Saturday morning to bag a once common loco on my doorstep... there was a time when I wouldn't have bothered taking such a mundane photo, but the noise this veteran AC Electric made as it sailed by, even at low speed, made the hairs on the back of my neck go all wobby..... It's a shame about all the modern paraphinalia getting in the way, but I suppose it shows just how much the WCML has changed since E3137 was built back in the 60s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I bet most current passengers of Virgin would prefer this train to a Pendolino! XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katier Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I bet most current passengers of Virgin would prefer this train to a Pendolino! XF Without wishing to thread drift tooo much... I don't 'get' all the 'anti-pendo' comments... I personally use them a lot - usually the Wolves->Coventry (Euston) trains and find them an excellent service. I did once catch the pretendalino which was fun and the MKIII is certainly a lovely coach.. but I don't find the Pendo's 'bad'.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 26, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2012 I bet most current passengers of Virgin would prefer this train to a Pendolino! XF What? Draughty Mk1's with open toplights that have the crash-worthiness of a rusty tin of rice pudding. No thanks. Home to Glasgow and back the other day. 150/158/390/318/390/142/150. I know which one I ( and a good few of my travelling party) preferred - the aircon at 100 plus for me - every time. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 It's a shame about all the modern paraphinalia getting in the way, but I suppose it shows just how much the WCML has changed since E3137 was built back in the 60s. I suppose you could add more to this list, but the BTH has gone, the roof on the station has gone, the track layout has been drastically altered, the concrete wall in the foreground has been replaced, the coaching stock is in the wrong livery, and the loco never carried Electric Blue. In short, nothing is original....!! Without wishing to thread drift tooo much... I don't 'get' all the 'anti-pendo' comments... I personally use them a lot - usually the Wolves->Coventry (Euston) trains and find them an excellent service. I did once catch the pretendalino which was fun and the MKIII is certainly a lovely coach.. but I don't find the Pendo's 'bad'.. I suppose enthusiasts will always prefer the old order (as they did when AC electrics replaced steam), but the AM90's lack soul. The front end isn't menacing enough, you can never get a window seat, and the toilet odours spread along the train. I much prefer a 350... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katier Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I suppose enthusiasts will always prefer the old order (as they did when AC electrics replaced steam), but the AM90's lack soul. The front end isn't menacing enough, you can never get a window seat, and the toilet odours spread along the train. I much prefer a 350... LOL I ALWAYS get a window seat. I've heard people say they don't but I don't recall ever not getting a window.. Guess my nostrils are blocked too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigd Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I passed through Wembley on Saturday, and there was an inter-city liveried 86 in the yard, presumably 86213 'Lancashire Witch'. Was it there as backup for Les Ross? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Simon Lee Posted February 27, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 27, 2012 It's a shame about all the modern paraphinalia getting in the way, but I suppose it shows just how much the WCML has changed since E3137 was built back in the 60s. Hope the PWay is bettter now, came down on an 86 from New Street to Euston, in about 1983/84, the ride was somewhat "interesting" Regards Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 '213 isn't currently mainline certified and with that stock being Vacuum only (I think) and Network Rail's preference for an AC, the only other loco that could be used is 86101. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I bet most current passengers of Virgin would prefer this train to a Pendolino! XF Hear hear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Saw two Freightliner 86,s parked at Carslile on Friday thought they were at Millerhill during the day? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Saw two Freightliner 86,s parked at Carslile on Friday thought they were at Millerhill during the day? Which livery were they in...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Not the new livery,of swoops etc . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Not the new livery,of swoops etc . They wouldn't usually stable at Carlisle, usually Coatbridge or Mossend. I don't think Millerhill is currently a booked working either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 The 86s did indeed give a "lively ride". The driver could never more than half-fill his tea can or the contents would be all over the place! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big T Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Good shots Nidge! The B & W ones work well! Give me an AL6 and Mk1's over a rancid 390 any day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted March 1, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 1, 2012 The 86s did indeed give a "lively ride". The driver could never more than half-fill his tea can or the contents would be all over the place! Presumably the track knew a bit about it, as well. ISTR the 86s were famous for knocking 7 bells out of the p-way. After the Electric Scots got into their swing in '74, weren't there mid-day possessions to get the track back in order on a very regular basis? EDIT Or was that just the 87s? I don't think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Used to feel the violent passing over the crossovers outside Bletchley when sat in the train going from Watford to Manchester always felt as though we were coming off the line! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 IIRC the 86s were the cause of the track damage - unlike the earlier classes they used nose-suspended traction motors. The 87s had flexicoil suspension and some of the 86s including this one were retrofitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6975 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 86/0s were the ones that bashed the track to such an extent that they had a speed restriction placed upon them until they got their bogies/suspension modified. A few got rebuilt as 86/2s, the rest became 86/3s then 86/4s, one of those changes saw the speed restriction lifted. Pendos are awful to travel in - they're the most claustrophobic coaches that I've been in. Mk 3s or late Mk 2s were much better. When I did a North West Rover last year I tried to do Preston-Carlisle in a 185 whenever possible rather than a pendo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Hi- Agreed Pendolinos are awful .. it has been nice to see 86259 out on the WCML again , I was fortunate enough to see her myself in the north sadly not in the nicest of weather: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrnsphotos/6857932911/in/photostream NL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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