Rumblestripe Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Lovely, just lovely! Well done to everyone concerned. (I sound like "Young Mr.Grace" there) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted March 4, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 4, 2012 Any chance of her gracing Southern Region metals at some point? Would like to see this roar through Barnham one afternoon! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 She looks absolutley stunning. The best ive ever seen her. I hope they pop a late crest on her before she goes back Red. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I hope they pop a late crest on her before she goes back Red. Funnily enough, 46233 was given another early crest at its 1957 repaint in green and so it covers quite an extensive period in its BR life. The late crest might have been changed before its next green repaint in 1961. Despite the beautufully executed LMS lake with gold and reed lining that it carried before, I know which livery I prefer..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunnan Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Of the three survivors I always thought of 46235 as the most aesthetically pleasing because of its livery. At least we now have the opportunity to see a green Duchess on the mainline for a period and will have all the footage taken to enjoy once 46233 is repainted. I'll actually be quite upset to see 46233 eventually go back into LMS lake, lined green just sits so well on these locomotives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Picture below sent to me by a friend (used with his permission) Look away now if it upsets your sensibilies, has he put it. Midland Railway Center, Butterley, 10 March 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leander Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Here are a few photographs taken on Thursday's 'The Night Owl' public loaded test run. The loco performed magnificently, making mincemeat of the booked schedule; despite being delayed around Stafford, an early arrival at Derby was easily achieved. First, reversing out of the dock at the north end of Derby station. Running to the south end of the station Awaiting the arrival of the train from Hathersage, Sheffield, Chesterfield and Belper. On Queensbury Curve After arrival at Crewe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Thanks for posting. That's what engines should look like even if the green does look as if the GWR applied it.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScRSG Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Fantastic, at last a Duchess in the right colour and at least one which this one wore in real life! (would have preferred the late crest myself, but beggars can't.....) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Hello all, it's nice to see a Duchess back in green on the main line but I think that the green looks a bit on the light side in all the photos that I have seen. Next to see 6229 on the main line with the tin on her. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Nice to see I suppose, but thankfully she won't be 'just another' brunny green loco permanently - I believe LMS red beckons after a year or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 LMS red is a shame when there is no LMS period carriage stock to haul around the mainline. Isn't it far better to leave it BR green and haul around a string of BR Mk.I's in blood & custard or BR maroon? I would prefer to present 'Those who dont know any different' with a moving museum than a mishmash that represent nothing only a full size toy train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Unfortunately where that argument falls down is assuming the coaching stock isn't a mish mash - it normally is. As for moving museum, as nice a prospect as that is, unfortunately that's been unrealistic since about 1965 when No.123 was retired from hauling around it's two Caley coaches. Most if not all mainline steam tours these days are about as "authentic" as 4472 will be when it reappears; in final BR form with the wrong tender, in the wrong livery and numerous incorrect visual and mechanical differences - i.e a wholly artificial and 'false' mongrel in the wrong setting. David Ward is a chap I rarely agree with, but for many years he's been banging the drum for locos to be painted in something other than BR black/green, and after some hesitation I can't help but think he's right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 The Night Owl tour certainly went well. Never got a quiet moment on the bar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 cant decide if I like Duchesses in green, BR maroon is my favourite, but the loco does look superb, one tiny little detail, a tiny bit of black paint on that smokebox door around the centre, dont know why but Ive never liked the polished parts on smokebox doors,epecially straps on eastern engines,its a bit like when kit builders build models and leave the numbers polished brass instead of white, its just tiny niggle that not so much bugs me, its insignificant, it just seems to stand out to me, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 LMS red is a shame when there is no LMS period carriage stock to haul around the mainline. Isn't it far better to leave it BR green and haul around a string of BR Mk.I's in blood & custard or BR maroon? I would prefer to present 'Those who dont know any different' with a moving museum than a mishmash that represent nothing only a full size toy train. Presumably then, if the NRM ever get 6229 on the main line in its current form, they will have to repaint it plain balck and renumber it 46243? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Unfortunately where that argument falls down is assuming the coaching stock isn't a mish mash - it normally is. A moving museum, as I put it, was not about pedantisism. I realized when I said it that coaches are often a mix of Mk.I, II stock and Mk.III stock, but wouldnt a train of these look better in BR maroon behind a BR green loco than the assorted liveries turned out at present. I am talking about presenting to public gaze a train that resembles something from the past. Blow the detail; something as achievable as a string of Mk.I and II coaches in woodgrain vinyls running behind a LNER green Pacific would give linesiders a taste of the 1930s. This to my mind is the way mainline steam should be going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Mk 1 stock with teak vinyl's? To me that would look not only horrendous, but cheap and tacky, something akin to the Pilkington glass rake of Mk 1s that was kicking around a couple of decades ago. We could probably get away with a Mk1 rake in LMS 'Coronation Scot' colours, but that's about it as far I can see. I'm all for uniform rakes of charter stock, be they maroon, green, blood/custard, chocolate/cream or even blue/grey, and it's about time charter operators got their act together there, but we have to remember the coaches themselves are now effectively preserved, or heritage stock, same as the locos - so shouldn't they be in a suitable livery too? When the A1 trust announced Tornado would appear in LNER apple green I was far from convinced as to the case for such a livery, as I too wanted to see this new machine in BR green. But after seeing the published photos and then seeing/travelling behind 60163 myself, I must admit I was totally wrong - she looks fantastic (even with the 'wrong' stock), and I look forward to her reappearance in apple green. The same goes for Bittern's recent transformation from just another, dare I say, bland BR green loco to something very special and impressive indeed in garter blue. If we want to see a 'moving museum' or a remotely authentic consist, then I think that's best left to the preserved lines where it can be done properly and far more impressively, not on the main line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Mk.I as it might look in just plain teak paint.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Mk.I as it might look in teak vinyls.... And don't forget the :LU set of Mk1's (a 4TC if I remember correctly?) that were "teaked" into Metropolitan style a few years back. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 I think that the green looks a bit on the light side in all the photos that I have seen. And me! Wonder if they can drag the streamlined one out of the museum and put them side by side? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ramrig Posted April 24, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 24, 2012 The Title has been changed to reflect the Duchess now on mainline tours. I did not manage to get any images of the Night Owl to Crewe ............................... But I did get photographs of its first full tour. The Yorkshire Coronation on 21/04/2012. The Duchess came on at Derby and worked the tour through to Scarborough and return. First shots are just north of Milford Tunnel between Duffield and Belper. The loco was held in Broadholme loop allowing me to get another vantage point. Next shot is taken from the B6013 near to Wingfield Manor. The green livery is starting to darken already. Please feel free to post more images on here of 46233 on this tour and all future ones. Looking forward to travelling behind her on the tour to Blackpool in June Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ramrig Posted June 17, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 17, 2012 UPDATE. The Fylde Coast Express 16th June 2012. A day trip to Blackpool behind 46233. The Tour started in Sheffield. we joined it at Derby with a 07:16 departure time behind 47580 in 1977 Stratford Silver Jubilee livery Class 57 at Crewe At Crewe the 47 was detached and the ' Duchess' attached to the front of the train for the run to Blackpool. The weather was not brilliant, very overcast. At Blackpool photography was impossible due to the "Jobsworth Station Staff" Well 5 hours in Blackpool in the wet............ After Fish and chips ........... a trip up the tower. Elton John was performing that evening on the prom, in the rain. Station and stock in the sidings from the top of the tower APT at Crewe on the way back A quick Water stop at Crewe Class 08 at Crewe South Class 86. looks like its last trip was to Liverpool At Derby the 47 was reattached for the last leg to Sheffield and one last shot of the Duchess in the gloom with the Roundhouse clock in the background Did anyone get any lineside shots yesterday? Please feel free to add. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ramrig Posted May 11, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 11, 2013 The Yorkshire Coronation 11th May 2013. 07:51 off Derby heading for Scarborough. That green livery has certainly got darker in the last 12 months if you look at earlier postings. Again looking beautifull as ever........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted August 24, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2013 Had a lovely day out on The Scarborough Flyer yesterday 23/08/2013 hauled by 46233 Duchess of Sutherland, slightly spoiled by 37516 (coupled in-side) giving it a shove now and then. Understand she is being repainted LMS Red next year after an overhaul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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