Grasslands Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I have just received a Bachmann domino box class 20 in the post (20 136), and I am planning to convert the model to a head-code panelled version with a nice transition livery. I was wondering if anyone knows of any quirky livery combinations individual locos had in the late 60s. I have heard that some were green with BR double arrows, but have never seen a picture. I have seen a B&W picture of D8093 in a book I have which appears to show the loco with double arrows and no yellow on the none-cab end. This of course might just be dirt. Were any class 20s painted with BSYP? Was there ever a small number painted with a brown under carriage? Some links to photos would be great. I will post some pictures of the two I am currently considering re-creating, but Flickr is currently down. Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasslands Posted July 7, 2012 Author Share Posted July 7, 2012 These are the two I am currently thinking of: http://www.flickr.com/photos/24041160@N02/5401385338/in/pool-1037552@N20/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/59613544@N08/5488431125/in/pool-1037552@N20/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 My memory is hazy now from that era, but I have the impression that all the 20s in the D83xx series were introduced with the BR arrows and numbers under the cab side windows. I cant remember seeing any green locos with BR arrows, but that doesn't mean there were none, and I would love someone to provide a photo to prove me wrong. I did see a couple with the arrows the wrong way around during the 1966/7 period, but sorry, I have no idea what numbers they were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasslands Posted July 7, 2012 Author Share Posted July 7, 2012 It would be fun to model one with the arrows the wrong way round, but not too sure how I could do that, due to the one-sided way that transfers fix to models. Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted July 7, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2012 Sealink ships had the double arrow symbol the other way round on the port side so that the upper arrow always faced the bow of the ship. http://www.sealink-h...aleyp/home.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/68751114@N00/3421777086 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Off the top of my head I think D8048 had the back to front double arrows, one of the Ian Allan diesel books (possibly the Motive Power Survey series of softbacks) has a photo of it freshly painted c1966 / 67. If memory serves, the yellow ends were an unusual / experimental style too, with the front one not going all the way round the nose / bonnet area. The last D83xx batch were delivered new in blue / full yellow ends with arrow logos on the cabsides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 yep, 8048 was back to front, the blue ones started at D8179 (queryD8178)through to D8327 D8093 i think was blue with old style number transfers and a very mucky full yellow end some green ones had the coaching stock roundel but don't recall any green with arrows Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natalie Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 yep, 8048 was back to front, the blue ones started at D8179 (queryD8178)through to D8327 D8093 i think was blue with old style number transfers and a very mucky full yellow end some green ones had the coaching stock roundel but don't recall any green with arrows Plate 7 in Profile of the Class 20s shows D8056 at Stratford in April 1969 carrying green with full yellow ends (and red bufferbeam) with lower cabside numbers and carriage type roundels in front of the cab. The yellow end on the nose extends in the usual style applied to blue locos- ie slight wrapround and over the top of the nose causing the grey roof to be shortened when compared to green or green small yellow panels. D8048 was the first corporate blue class 20 repaint in c6/66 but did differ slightly in application to later machines in as much as it had blue bufferbeams and its numbers were in block style (rather than 'Rail' style) These were mounted above the double arrow symbol which at some point were applied reversed- ie with the top arrow pointing to the left. Assume this was done on the repaint into blue c6/66. I have yet to see a photo of a GFYE machine with double arrows nor of a BSYP version either but it does not mean that it never happened. GFYE was a fairly common variation on this class with 48 examples believed to have received TOPS numbers on their green livery- 20014-8/20-3/5/6/45/7/56/7/75,20129-33/7/8/40/1/4-7/9-56/8/62/4/5/7/9/70/4/5/7, 20228 as detailed by Mr Saxton (mentioned shortly.) 20141 was the last GFYE surviving until at least 5/80. Russell Saxton has written on the subject, the article appearing in Railways Illustrated. A copy is available on http://www.railblue....e_history_2.htm to look at if interested. I think he may have also written an article on class 20 liveries for Adrian Curtis' revived publication Classic Diesel and Electrics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 20141 (and 20147 which also lasted into 1980 in green) were both given classified overhauls at Glasgow Works in July 1980, so would've gone into Rail Blue then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Any of these help? D8165 Derby 09/10/1966 (new, green) 20 073 Toton 10/08/1978 (blue) 20 151 Toton 10/08/1978 (green) Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasslands Posted July 8, 2012 Author Share Posted July 8, 2012 Thanks for all the livery detail and thank you Stewart for the great pictures. I would like to do a GFYE version. Suppose it would not be too much trouble to repaint a Bachmann GHYE. I am also quite keen on this blue buffer beam and reverse arrow business. Pennine MC directed me to Bush Veteran's photo stream where he has a lovely picture of that short yellow end mentioned by Rugd1022 in post #6. Does anybody have a clue how many locos carried this strange yellow end? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRUNFOS Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Looking at the photo it would appear that the engine it's buffered up to has the same design yellow panel, so I would venture at least 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 And you must have seen this one on brush Veterans site as mentioned earlier: http://www.flickr.co...N02/6548592831/ Porcy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 It's a 99.99999% certainty, that no Class 20s carried BSYP. At least ONE Class 20 carried GFYE with Arrows - 20057, but it also kept its Coaching-Stock Roundel, at least on one side; http://www.flickr.com/photos/46793466@N06/5958195999/ . There were quite a few ScR 20s with the "Block" style numbers, also D8001, D8010, D8046, D8048 and possibly D8007 & D8049 (and maybe others - these are the only ones I know about). Of these, D8048 was the only recorded (so far!) 20 to have the arrows reversed. All 20s from D8178 were delivered in blue.. Rgds, Ron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnw1 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 20041 carried bodyside numbers for some unknown reason http://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/5530669656/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 2, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2012 Heres current project We have D8113 - a Bachmann 32-040DS And heres what we need - D8111, one of the Eastfield bacth that came south when the 27s went north.http://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/6548597401/ So following work needed: Remove token catchers (anyone want them? A PM secures!). Done but left a mess so fitted new cab sides including rivets for token catcher mounting bracket as per photo. A bit of paint touch up - yellow on those conduits that cross the warning panel, silver on the buffer shanks - done Renumbering - transfers including data panels arrived fron Fox yesterday - note data panel on blue background so also got some blue blanking patches to sort that. Etched works plates from Extreme Etchings - must check to see if have any in stock Weathering - now Jim is expert at this but may be tempted to give it a go! Will update and photo Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted January 29, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2016 Looking at the photo it would appear that the engine it's buffered up to has the same design yellow panel, so I would venture at least 2. Yes indeed, D8080 was another. With apologies for the thread resurrection..... 8080 by Dave Jolly, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 D8177 was new in GSYP. D8178 was new in BFYE. Also to note is that although the early green 20 deliveries had green solebars, the later green examples, from D8135 at least, came out new with black solebars. This is best seen on locos in new condition as after a while it was impossible to tell the colour of the solebars for dirt. One unusual late example of livery was D8033 which is reported to have been allocated to Stratford in September 68 and arrived there in all over green and was promptly given FYE. As an aside thought, which/when was the last GSYE example? Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted January 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2016 Last GSYP? Not sure but D8124, 8135 and 8143 all made it into 1971. I think I may have found 2 other economy blue locos, as above - D8093 and D8103. https://flic.kr/p/rh4Hj2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Last GSYP? Not sure but D8124, 8135 and 8143 all made it into 1971. I think I may have found 2 other economy blue locos, as above - D8093 and D8103. https://flic.kr/p/rh4Hj2 From the couple of photos I've tracked down, 8143 seems to have lasted into mid 72 like that. don't know about the other two. Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted January 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2016 From the couple of photos I've tracked down, 8143 seems to have lasted into mid 72 like that. don't know about the other two. Paul J. I have at least until Sep 1972 for 8143 but I can' find the link again..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I have at least until Sep 1972 for 8143 but I can' find the link again..... I found this on Flickr, https://flic.kr/p/e38mLR Only says 72 for date. There's this on "Railonline" if the link works. http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p321813950/h388D052B#h388d052b That gives a 04-09-72 date for the photo. Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted January 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2016 Yes that is the one. Thnx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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