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Just now, Matt37268 said:

I don’t disagree with that, I do find it a tad amusing though that ‘the new badge’ shown in the photo isn’t the one that was approved.  

AIUI, it was only after the launch ceremony that the College of Heralds pointed out the inconsistency.

 

They weren't involved in the early emblem, so there hadn't been an issue with handed versions of that.

 

I've no idea why the were invoked for the 1956 version. Delusions of grandeur at the BRB?

 

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Like has been said, BR could have had any 'logo' they wanted and done anything with it, inc. a similar totem with some sort of Lion on it.

But, for whatever reason, the new emblem was technically a heraldic Coat-of-Arms and so had to approved by The Lord Lyon.

The main problem being that BR then wanted to have the Lion facing forward on each side of DMU driving motor vehicles, meaning right-facing Lions were required.

Heraldic approval was only for left-facing Lions, this was pretty much a legally enforcable situation.

 

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It seems odd as a flag with the heraldic device on it would automatically have two sides to the image.  Mind you, Bullied had to have two designs for the Merchant Navy nameplates so that the flag was flying with the flagstaff towards the front of the loco. 

 

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41 minutes ago, keefer said:

Like has been said, BR could have had any 'logo' they wanted and done anything with it, inc. a similar totem with some sort of Lion on it.

But, for whatever reason, the new emblem was technically a heraldic Coat-of-Arms and so had to approved by The Lord Lyon.

The main problem being that BR then wanted to have the Lion facing forward on each side of DMU driving motor vehicles, meaning right-facing Lions were required.

Heraldic approval was only for left-facing Lions, this was pretty much a legally enforcable situation.

 

Steam loco tenders and tank sides, too.

 

The Southern Region in particular seemed to have quite a stock of the RH transfers to use up....

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2 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

Steam loco tenders and tank sides, too.

 

The Southern Region in particular seemed to have quite a stock of the RH transfers to use up....

Right enough, i had my diesel blinkers on😁

Actually the SR could've used/needed them on EMUs. IIRC the criteria for a totem was not a driving car but a powered/motor vehicle - but most EMUs at the time would have at least one DMBS, 4/5/6 car units would have two. (A single, central MBS didn't come in until the BIG/CIGs)

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The crew of 6990 Witherslack Hall* share the responsibility of topping up the water at Keighley on 21st March 2024, during the Keighley & Worth Valley Railway's steam gala.

 

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* A visiting loco courtesy of David Clarke Railway Trust & The Great Central Railway.

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On 30/01/2024 at 13:19, Dunsignalling said:

Steam loco tenders and tank sides, too.

 

The Southern Region in particular seemed to have quite a stock of the RH transfers to use up....

 

I'm  informed the SR attitude at the time ran something like "Bo££ocks, they look daft facing backwards".

 

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L&Y Railway 52044 immortalised in a pencil sketch at Haworth engine shed on 21st March 2024.

 

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Photos taken with permission.

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A hive of activity at Haworth engine shed on the morning of 21st March 2024 as the Keighley & Worth Valley Railway steam gala gets underway.

 

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Watching the road ahead.

 

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BR Standard 2 78022 shunts ahead at Keighley to wait for its next working on 21st March 2024 during the Keighley & Worth Valley Railway's steam gala.

 

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Just now, Rugd1022 said:

RIP Jed - photos c/o Dave Cresswell...

 

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I did mention his spirit was with us yesterday on the Wizzo tour out of Paddington and back through Jed territory (albeit via Coventry not Solihull!) 

 

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1 hour ago, Rugd1022 said:

Photographer unknown : Paignton, 1959...

 

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I hope he got more than just a 'bob'  if he was doing the whole engine.

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Photo c/o GWS collection : Reading in 1958 with members of the CMEE Department, l to r : Don Flook, Jack Dowsett, Ken Gibbs, Horrace Rhodda (possibly related to veteran Old Oak driver and ex- Arnhem paratrooper Jack Rhodda), Fred Kitchen, Dennis Norris.

 

Behind them is ex-1908 built Steam Railmotor No.93, rebuilt as auto trailer 212 in 1935, retired into departmental service in 1956 and renumbered 0799014.

 

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212 is to Diagram A31, and is the prototype of a whitemetal Keyser kit.  A consequence of it's SRM origins is that the bogie pivot is further 'in' from the end of the coach at this brake end than at the cab end.  As the rebuilds employed three types of bogies, 9' 'Fishbelly' as shown here, 'American', as supplied with the K's kit, and Collett 7', this rather odd look looked even odder with the Collett bogies.  There were two lots of the original SRMs, one built at Swindon and one outsourced up the road to Gloucester RC&W.  This is a Swindon vehicle, with what had by then become the standard central vestibule passenger door; the Gloucesters had twin inward-opening doors.  The kit has these, and as none of the Gloucester rebuilds were given American bogies, is incorrect in this respect.

 

I have two of them at Cwmdimbath, both 'out of service' at present.  One is W 207 W in crimson livery, and toplights plated in as per a photo in the Lewis book at Monmouth (Troy), a very different look.  They are a bit basic, with no floor or interiors, but can of course be worked up, fun modelling.  They are also very heavy, and as a pair are beyond the capacity of a (fully run in) Bachmann 4575.  The other is none other than this one, W 212 W, with the door modified.  This has been earmarked for a conversion and improvment to the best of my ability to represent the fairly similar-looking Diagram A10 W 28 W, which ran 1953-1956 at Tondu coupled to Diagram N W 37 W, on order from Rails when Dapol produce it.  Working it up to a standard good enough to run with the Dapol N will be quite a challenge!!!  It runs on the correct 9' Fishbellies from Stafford Road Works at Shapeways, superb runners.

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21 minutes ago, Rugd1022 said:

KX Top Shed, 1926...

 

Suspect The General Strike? Many women worked in all sorts of industries, including Transport, in WW1, but were fairly soon ejected after the war. Some returned during the General Strike. "Homes fit for Hero's" and all that promise of fair shares never materialised after WW1. Working class and many middle class people voted in 1945 to ensure we all had a fairer chance in life thus avoiding the betrayal of 1918.

 

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6 minutes ago, 30368 said:

Suspect The General Strike? Many women worked in all sorts of industries, including Transport, in WW1, but were fairly soon ejected after the war. Some returned during the General Strike. "Homes fit for Hero's" and all that promise of fair shares never materialised after WW1. Working class and many middle class people voted in 1945 to ensure we all had a fairer chance in life thus avoiding the betrayal of 1918.

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You just have to look at their shoes, they wouldn't stay shiny for long in an engine shed.

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47 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

You just have to look at their shoes, they wouldn't stay shiny for long in an engine shed.

 

Very, very true, I suspect that you would not stay upright for long with such footwear. Do you think they were "Sweet Young Things" due for presentation to HRH if not already done so?

 

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49 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

You just have to look at their shoes, they wouldn't stay shiny for long in an engine shed.

 

Yes, they do look suspiciously NCIS*.

 

* Not covered in sh...

 

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