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Graham_Muz

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Bachmann Europe Plc has today announced the release of additional wagon triple packs in weathered condition. The new wagon packs in 00 scale include:

 

37-096 3 x ‘Coal Traders’ ex-PO wagons with BR P numbers (weathered) £30.45

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37-236 3 x 16T steel mineral wagons in NCB grey livery (weathered) £31.80

 

38-287 3 x 22T Presflo wagons in BR bauxite livery (weathered) £47.55

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The set of wagons illustrated is the same as the 37-095 set which has been around for a few months now. Presumably that is a Bachmann error in releasing the old photo and the new set will be different.

 

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The set of wagons illustrated is the same as the 37-095 set which has been around for a few months now. Presumably that is a Bachmann error in releasing the old photo and the new set will be different.

 

JE

 

Now released here http://www.ehattons.com/59357/Bachmann_Branchline_37_096_Pack_of_3_7_plank_Coal_trader_BR_P_numbered_wagons_weathered/StockDetail.aspx

 

They look very nice to me.

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....   ex-PO wagons with BR P numbers (weathered)  .......

 

 

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I will display my ignorance.  

 

I ASSUME that these were in the early days of BR/Nationalisation when BR had absorbed the Private Owner wagons and before they had all gone through a full refit/repaint and hence only applicable for a few years after 1948 ?

 

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....   ex-PO wagons with BR P numbers (weathered)  .......

 

 

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I will display my ignorance.  

 

I ASSUME that these were in the early days of BR/Nationalisation when BR had absorbed the Private Owner wagons and before they had all gone through a full refit/repaint and hence only applicable for a few years after 1948 ?

 

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A lot never received a repaint, just being patched up as required:-

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/privateownerwagon/h39207242#h39207242

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/privateownerwagon/h3019cfb7#h3019cfb7

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/privateownerwagon/h3019cfb7#h2214613c

Though the Stanton one at the NRM is shown as 'preserved', I suspect this is before they started work..

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Look great, but wouldn't these NCB liveried wagons be "internal use only" at collieries so mainly of interest if you are actually modelling a colliery? I'm sure there must have been short distance workings onto BR for example colliery to coal washing plant a couple of miles away. Can anyone expand on what these wagons might have been used for other than within a colliery complex?

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Hi Andy

 

If you're referring to the ex-PO wagons (rather than the NCB ones), they were used all over the network and, since they had been taken under the BR umbrella, they migrated far from their old areas. They were however fairly quickly replaced by steel 16 tonners and scrapped. I model the Callander & Oban over several timescales and have ordered both packs as they wouldn't be out of place on that line in the immediate post-nationalisation era.

 

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"They were however fairly quickly replaced by steel 16 tonners and scrapped."

 

Some ex-PO wagons lasted into the '60s and odd ones would appear in rakes of 16ton minerals. This was linked to previously in the 16ton thread but it illustrates my point.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/actonwellsjunction/6256913325/sizes/l/in/photostream/

 

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Look great, but wouldn't these NCB liveried wagons be "internal use only" at collieries so mainly of interest if you are actually modelling a colliery?

I think there are quite a few of us modelling colliery or part of, also given the number of RTP items available for infrastructure. The sidings and screens of a colliery offer great potential for a simple track plan operational shunting layout and are perfect for those of us who do not have the vista available or inclination for tailchasing passenger working.

The NCB wagons also offer something a little different from the rows and rows of b@g standard 16t. I'm to be corrected, but I believe not all NCB wagons were marked internal use only. Even if not true a little bit of modeller's licence is a fair price to pay to have a small group of them on a any fictitious layout or non-purist, prototypical shunting plank.

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Got my set of these today, super wagons and well weathered, Bachmann shoulde encouraged to produce further rakes of these beauties Please!

 

Glad you like them.I have the other set and I'm well happy .Lets hope they do more versions.

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 I think there are quite a few of us modelling colliery or part of, also given the number of RTP items available for infrastructure. The sidings and screens of a colliery offer great potential for a simple track plan operational shunting layout and are perfect for those of us who do not have the vista available or inclination for tailchasing passenger working.

The NCB wagons also offer something a little different from the rows and rows of b@g standard 16t. I'm to be corrected, but I believe not all NCB wagons were marked internal use only. Even if not true a little bit of modeller's licence is a fair price to pay to have a small group of them on a any fictitious layout or non-purist, prototypical shunting plank.

Quite a few colliery systems extended some considerable distance from the pit head, serving installations such as washeries, canal wharfs and landsale yards, so it would be quite easy to justify some of these wagons without having to model the pit head, screens etc. An example that comes to mind is the land-sales yard next to the exchange sidings for Graig Merthyr colliery, near Pontardulais. The pit itself was in the hills several miles away, but the sidings were next to the Gorseinon- Pontardulais road. Another extended system was the Derwenthaugh one, near Blaydon; again, the pit was some distance away from landsale yard, coke ovens and exchange sidings. There was a system near Wakefield that had a canal wharf, and used a Jinty as a shunter.

In all these systems, 'NCB' branded vehicles would have been used for the internal movements. I can't think that I've ever seen NCB wagons running in commercial service away from NCB metals; even on systems like the one serving the washery at Wernos, movements that involved running on BR metals used BR wagons, and the NCB wagons were confined to site. Maintenance would be carried out on site, with even small pits having staff to maintain wagons and locos; bigger systems would have quite well-equipped workshops that would build new bodies on old underframes.

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I could be wrong, but I'm sure that I've seen a photo of 16t minerals being delivered on BR metals but in NCB livery. They were, however, freshly painted IIRC, so not like the Bachmann weathered offerings. 

Transfers between systems might be a possibility; there were also deliveries of new internal-user stock from firms such as Hurst-Nelson and Charles Roberts. Feast your peepers on some of the wagons shown on various of Paul Bartlett's pages:-

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/hawthornwagons

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cynheidreinternalwagon

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/manversmain

The colour schemes seem to have varied between areas- the North East had a brick-red scheme, whilst elsewhere, black or Midnight Blue were more common. Whilst 'Internal User' lettering doesn't seem to be that common, most wagons had at least, NCB branding, and usually the name of the pit, painted on. The names such as 'beans' and 'grains' on the Cynheidre fleet weren't some sort of Thomasesque naming of the 'Troublesome Trucks', but to identify the different grades of coal stored in the wagons for the Landsale Yard.

The wooden-bodied hoppers in the Hawthorn collection were local rebuilds of steel-bodied wagons, I believe.

It should be noted that none of the wagons carry any sort of TOPS identification or numbering.

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Got my set of these today, super wagons and well weathered, Bachmann shoulde encouraged to produce further rakes of these beauties Please!

The weathering does look good; just right for a slow-moving coal carrier; glad to see none of that high-speed brown.

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These are Manvers Main internal users

 

MCP442 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/manversmain/e1cfddff9

 

 

MCP528 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/manversmain/e1981d560

 

 

I can't read the third model number

 

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/manversmain

 

The P numbered wagons are discussed on another RMWeb topic.

 

Paul

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