RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted December 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) I can't be on their "luv you" list as I haven't had an e-mail advising me about my model. They do luv me....... :locomotive: :locomotive: and the packaging was well worth the wait. Some one asked if the lamps come off, I don't think they are meant to but I have already broken one off getting it of the box. It has not damaged the lamp iron. So I think they are just glued to the lamp irons. Edited December 12, 2015 by Clive Mortimore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Mine also arrived today, but don't think the box was bought in, as mine was clearly made from a cut down larger cardboard box, but that maybe because I had 3 delivered together. Will have to check the track radius that it will travel through, as the bogie swing restrictor gives a narrow field of movement to the bogie. It looks like the restrictor can be trimmed off, as it is an upward facing spur that is part of the bogie moulding, that goes into a curved slot in the underbody, to allow a greater amount of swing. Good day for 'hobby' deliveries as postie also delivered a 1/76 model of an AEC 3 axle Renown, London Transport 1930s-1950s double decker, produced for the London Bus Museum by Jotus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I bought mine at Warley. Soon pulled the lamps at one end, with fingers, they appear to have a small spigot at the rear which locates in a hole. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinjamesporter Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Mine arrived in the post today. Very happy with it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_R Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Mine arrived this morning, well pleased but now heading to the workshop for some further work and embellishments. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Mine arrived this morning, well pleased but now heading to the workshop for some further work and embellishments. Ditto mine Looks nice, captures the prototype well Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G567281 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Maybe they were sorting those out who paid full retail price first? Anyway a few pics. Hby-DpolDBT-Mdlg-030Edit.jpg As delivered but with Hornby type coupling unplugged. The model is supplied with two dummy screw couplings and hooks. I've read elsewhere that the lamps & lamp brackets are removable. Mine weren't. They were firmly glued in place. Hby-DpolDBT-Mdlg-022Edit.jpg[/urls Side view. I've since removed some of the side lettering. Quite easily using a cotton bud soaked in IPA. Hby-DpolDBT-Mdlg-027Edit.jpg Maximum yaw on the bogies. No idea what the minimum radius curve would be for 00 track. The top of both bogies have a pin moulded at the front that fits in a corresponding slot machined into the ballast plate. The bogie has a representation of the recess across the stretcher bar at both ends. If you are propelling the DBT and want to hide the coupling /coupling pocket you will be able to turn the bogie through 180 degrees by removing this pin. (Or machining a corresponding slot on the inner end of the ballast plate.) Hby-DpolDBT-Mdlg-013Edit.jpg Top View. I was able to push the side handrails into a more prototypical depth after scraping the adhesive away on the inside of the body. On early DBt's they should be painted green to match the main body. There a two hardly noticeable moulding marks at the highest point toward each end. Hby-DpolDBT-Mdlg-021Edit.jpg How the ballast plate fits in the body. It pulls out after removing the screws that secure the bogies. Hby-DpolDBT-Mdlg-003-Edit.jpg Broken down into the major components. Hby-DpolDBT-Mdlg-001copy.jpg Dapol DBT bogie at centre, Hornby Gresley bogie to the left and Coachmaster(ABS) whitemetal bogie right. The Dapol DBT bogie is 3mm narrower over the sides than the other two. I plan to do a few minor cosmetic alterations over the next few days to give the tender a bit more of a prototypical appearance. I'll post some pics up if anybodies interested? Then it'll be onto the major rebuild. P Many thanks for posting the photographs and the corresponding notes. This is extremely helpful, especially to me as being overseas, my models have yet to arrive. I am thinking for EM gauge conversion, Hornby bogies using the original axles with new wheels may be the way to go. Otherwise ABS bogies. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I have converted one to P4, the brakes need paring down to avoid the flanges. Can anyone advise if the radius on the handrails is accurate as it seems to be a little large to me. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G567281 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I have converted one to P4, the brakes need paring down to avoid the flanges. Can anyone advise if the radius on the handrails is accurate as it seems to be a little large to me. Regards Thanks for posting. If you have done a P4 conversion there is hope for me doing an EM one. I agree with your comment regarding the radius of the handrails. I think I will be making new ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) A couple of hours work has seen a few simple modifications done to try an improve some of the shortcomings. It's sat on a pair of ABS bogies at the moment. Once I start the major rebuild I'll be using 0.3mm brass or N silver for the handrails. Trying to get then to look a little more like the pics in this post. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/49032-pdk-kits-diesel-brake-tender/&do=findComment&comment=558500 I've used most commercial types of handrail bending jig and never been happy with them. I now use a pair of cheap pliers into which I've filed a different radius into the edge of each jaw. It works for me. P Edited December 20, 2015 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) Nice one here - 4 off - one without yellow end No dates or numbers but late 70's ?? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/78411-prototype-for-everything-corner/?p=2144198 Edited December 29, 2015 by Southernman46 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G567281 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 A couple of hours work has seen a few simple modifications done to try an improve some of the shortcomings. It's sat on a pair of ABS bogies at the moment. Hby-DpolDBT-Mdlg-047-Editsm.jpg Once I start the major rebuild I'll be using 0.3mm brass or N silver for the handrails. Trying to get then to look a little more like the pics in this post. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/49032-pdk-kits-diesel-brake-tender/&do=findComment&comment=558500 I've used most commercial types of handrail bending jig and never been happy with them. I now use a pair of cheap pliers into which I've filed a different radius into the edge of each jaw. It works for me. P Hi P, Would you mind telling me your source for the hand wheels please. Kindest regards Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Would you mind telling me your source for the hand wheels please. Wizard Models (51L) Large Handwheels Part No. CWLP http://www.wizardmodels.co.uk/FrameSetShop.php?DM=wizabout hth P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevex59 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 This thread was one of the most interesting to me. As it is a while since there was any activity I would just like to ask any member if any new information had come to light. The questions I have are, 1, Did the prototype with "humps" have a diagram number as it was very different to others. 2, I have found information of tests been carried out on the Eastern, Midland and Scottish regions, but were there other places. 3, Why did the prototype have a "Return to Acton " instruction on it when most of the tenders were used in other places first and Acton seems to have had them later on. 4, Does any one know of a photo website that has Brake Tenders on other than a general search of Flickr. 5, Does any one know of a register of Brake Tender information, I have all running numbers and lot numbers. I did note that on all the "York" built Brake Tenders the wagon number plate or "D" Plate was located in a set place, but on a photo of a Brake Tender at Ayr that Tender looks like a "York" built , but the plate is much lower down. Could this be one of the Prototypes from the "Cowlairs" Lot number ? I think the photo is on this thread, possibly from "Barking Bill". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevex59 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Ayr shed in August 1967 (colour). Use in Scotland seemed very much a rarity? Or just not recorded? https://www.flickr.com/photos/12a_kingmoor_klickr/21286258241/in/photostream/ This was the photo I was thinking of in my previous post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted February 22, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2016 As HM appear to have completely forgotten they once promised a blue/yellow ends brake tender, I've just ordered an all-over green example, which will get a bath in slightly diluted IPA upon arrival ready for a coat of blue (after titivating the detail some). You just watch... the 'blue is now ready to order' email will no doubt arrive tomorrow... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted February 23, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23, 2016 But yours will be the correct shade of blue and yellow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p265322570/h60c932b7#h60c932b7 B964043E at Thornaby 28/05/63. http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p265322570/h63A84ED4#h63a84ed4 ?? new(?) at Thornaby 06/11/62. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted October 5, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2016 For information - Hornby magazine now have the blue liveried versions in stock, I received an email earlier. Just in time for me to be on the last stage of three Genesis kits, all of which will be painted blue! Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 This thread was one of the most interesting to me. As it is a while since there was any activity I would just like to ask any member if any new information had come to light. The questions I have are, 1, Did the prototype with "humps" have a diagram number as it was very different to others. 2, I have found information of tests been carried out on the Eastern, Midland and Scottish regions, but were there other places. 3, Why did the prototype have a "Return to Acton " instruction on it when most of the tenders were used in other places first and Acton seems to have had them later on. 4, Does any one know of a photo website that has Brake Tenders on other than a general search of Flickr. 5, Does any one know of a register of Brake Tender information, I have all running numbers and lot numbers. I did note that on all the "York" built Brake Tenders the wagon number plate or "D" Plate was located in a set place, but on a photo of a Brake Tender at Ayr that Tender looks like a "York" built , but the plate is much lower down. Could this be one of the Prototypes from the "Cowlairs" Lot number ? I think the photo is on this thread, possibly from "Barking Bill". MRJ had an article within (MRJ 177 pp. 227-235) which was based on the 7mm types available but mainly focused on scratch-building the diagrams that, I believe, that you have mentioned (ie Dia 1/558 or Dia 1/555)? There is also an article in BRM (March 2009 IIRC) I cant recall if it mentions the Dia 1/558 or Dia 1/555 BTs though as it was an article on putting together the 4mm ABS, Crownline and PDK kits (some useful detail info though). There was another article, in BRM, IIRC, by Dave Coasby on 7mm versions and the prototypes......I hope that helps you locate some of the information that you require.... For information - Hornby magazine now have the blue liveried versions in stock, I received an email earlier. Just in time for me to be on the last stage of three Genesis kits, all of which will be painted blue! Neil Just think Neil you have the satisfaction of building and painting models exactly as you wanted them and possibly more appropriate/better for your needs than instant OOTB RTR gratification. I know what you mean though as its like looking for that elusive photo before the transfers and weathering are applied - to any model - the photo then only surfaces three months after one had bitten the bullet and applied paint, transfers and weathering (going with the information to hand) etc......sods law! ATVB CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted October 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Just think Neil you have the satisfaction of building and painting models exactly as you wanted them and possibly more appropriate/better for your needs than instant OOTB RTR gratification. I know what you mean though as its like looking for that elusive photo before the transfers and weathering are applied - to any model - the photo then only surfaces three months after one had bitten the bullet and applied paint, transfers and weathering (going with the information to hand) etc......sods law! ATVB CME You are quite right CME. I spent some of yesterday afternoon on the Genesis 1/555, emphasising the tumblehome more and building some replacement MJT heavy duty Gresley bogies which are much finer castings than those supplied with the kit. They are vastly better than the undernourished versions on the HM model, which appear to be standard 8'6" Gresley bogies.I've indeed received the HM blue version, and despite the Genesis body being too wide, the two enhancements above will certainly be an improvement on RTR. I've still to scribe in the panel lines, add Archers rivets and paint, but I will add three Genesis models of 1/555, 1/556 and 1/557 to my mid 1970s fleet. Neil Edited October 10, 2016 by Downendian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 You are quite right CME. I spent some of yesterday afternoon on the Genesis 1/555, emphasising the tumblehome more and building some replacement MJT heavy duty Gresley bogies which are much finer castings than those supplied with the kit. They are vastly better than the undernourished versions on the HM model, which appear to be standard 9'6" Gresley bogies. I've indeed received the HM blue version, and despite the Genesis body being too wide, the two enhancements above will certainly be an improvement on RTR. I've still to scribe in the panel lines, add Archers rivets and paint, but I will add three Genesis models of 1/555, 1/556 and 1/557 to my mid 1970s fleet. Neil Hi Neil, Sounds good to me. If a model isnt 100% accurate then one has to balance, time, effort, satisfaction against the end result, cost also comes into it of course, all relative to diminishing returns etc etc. It sounds to me as if you have struck the right balance and will derive a great deal of satisfaction and achieve some very nice layout models - a small fleet of them - and good for you, it is, after all, a creative hobby. My BT isnt perfect and the next one will be better, yet being a resin 'kit' it's close enough and relatively easy to get up and running - and looks better for better bogies/prototypical bogies height and other details.....I suspect that most, even experts, will not notice the discrepancies in my two kit built models. Kindest regards, CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRAILRAGE Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Just came across an interesting photo on FLick of 46011 running through Reading heading towards London with a track panel train. The first wagon in the train is a BR Blue Brake Tender. Dated as 17/02/79. Had not realised they were still in use that time. Link to pic https://www.flickr.com/photos/79665856@N08/11668967106/ Cheers Trailrage 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Just came across an interesting photo on FLick of 46011 running through Reading heading towards London with a track panel train. The first wagon in the train is a BR Blue Brake Tender. Dated as 17/02/79. Had not realised they were still in use that time. Link to pic https://www.flickr.com/photos/79665856@N08/11668967106/ Cheers Trailrage I knew than ran fairly late, but I couldn't recall it being into 1979! Thanks for Posting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Diesel brake tender B964019 (branded "Return to Acton Yard"). c.1970 - unknown location (possibly Toton TMD). In colour, from John Turner Flickr site. https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/35713414560/in/dateposted/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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