RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 9, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2014 Did/does the horizontal handrail above the BR number on the smokebox door really extend beyond the knobs as shown. Being painted black, the Railroad version looks much better in this respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 9, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2014 However much I enjoyed (is that in any way the right description?) building* the DJH 4mm version (*still unfinished I am ashamed to admit), these look like they will kick that kit into touch. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2014 Not competent to comment on accuracy - although I did see DoG at the Marylebone exhibition in the early '60s - but the side view, albeit of the superior version, has a great deal of presence. Had this been available a couple of months ago, I suspect it might have leapt into an awful lot of Christmas stockings, while January penury may now limit sales a little. Hornby's supply problems really are hurting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) The 'Duke' has a compact overall look about it, far better than many a kitbuilt model i painted. I am reminded this is a RTR model more typical of current Hornby thinking than Bachmann and so I accept that it is a bit of a miss-match in places produced down to a price. I personally liked it with its first tender so it looks like a Tender body would have to be built. Anyone know where a body-only could be obtained? I presume the tender has the usual electrical pick ups? It it is not 'wired' to the loco then I suppose I could fit a Bachmann Tender.... Edited January 9, 2014 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicky W Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Larry, it will be appearing in due course in it's original form.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted January 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2014 The 'Duke' has a compact overall look about it, far better than many a kitbuilt model i painted. I am reminded this is a RTR model more typical of current Hornby thinking than Bachmann and so I accept that it is a bit of a miss-match in places produced down to a price. I personally liked it with its first tender so it looks like a Tender body would have to be built. Anyone know where a body-only could be obtained? I presume the tender has the usual electrical pick ups? It it is not 'wired' to the loco then I suppose I could fit a Bachmann Tender.... I don't think the Duke has tender pickups .... Chris at Golden Arrow does bothe a BR1B/C/D/E as well as the later unique 1J tender bodies http://www.goldenarrow.me.uk/products.htm#standard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmay2002 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) As such then, does this tender have the larger rear cut-out (which it had from new) or has it been modified? Help! The tender on the preserved 71000 has been very significantly changed from either the BR1E or BR1J configurations that 71000 ran with under BR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:71000_DUKE_OF_GLOUCESTER_East_Lancashire_Railway.jpg On the preserved loco there is an addtional sqaure extension to the water tank at the rear hidden by the BR1J style sides to give 5000gal capacity. Edited January 9, 2014 by asmay2002 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted January 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2014 The 'Duke' has a compact overall look about it, far better than many a kitbuilt model i painted. I am reminded this is a RTR model more typical of current Hornby thinking than Bachmann and so I accept that it is a bit of a miss-match in places produced down to a price. I personally liked it with its first tender so it looks like a Tender body would have to be built. Anyone know where a body-only could be obtained? I presume the tender has the usual electrical pick ups? It it is not 'wired' to the loco then I suppose I could fit a Bachmann Tender.... Nope. pick up on Loco only (on the driving wheels only as far as I can see on mine.) A real step back if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steffi_C Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Wikipedia have an excellent picture of the Duke as she was in 2009: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/71000_DUKE_OF_GLOUCESTER_East_Lancashire_Railway.jpg The handrails are indeed polished. The cabside numbers are raised though. Really thought the view of the tender might be helpful in view of the discussion. Edited January 9, 2014 by Steffi_C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted January 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Of course that photo shows it in 2009 condition when it had the polished brass cabside numbers, It now carries conventional painted versions. Nice pic though and one I used when building my Golden Arrow version as featured in June 2012 Hornby mag Mine's with a 1J tender EDIT: oops should have read the post above properly Edited January 9, 2014 by RedgateModels 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I've just received the two Dukes of Gloucester...... Any comments, please........ Hornby DoGs inc R3168 02B.jpg ....It looks as if the smokebox front protrudes a twitch too far forward but I'm not sure.. It does. The smokebox door ring should be flush with the top of the footplate drop. It should have a look similar to the face of a Lancastrian knight wearing a sallet (visor up) and bevor. It looks like Hornby forgot to make the smokebox recessed when they were producing tooling samples. It is a noticeable error, and would require careful work with a saw to remove the smokebox ring and door, and then cut back the smokebox barrel by up to 1mm before refitting the ring. It's a shame, given they spent so much money on the tooling. Why spend so much money to get it wrong? The DJH model is still superior in this respect. I'd like to get hold of the preserved "extended" tender on its own - it would go well behind the DJH model, to portray the preserved engine as she is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted January 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2014 I have to disagree with you slightly on that Ivan, the smokebox ring should have a SMALL overhang, I have numerous photos of the front end of the real thing showing the overhang. Hornby overdone it though and it does jar the eye when you start looking at it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted January 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2014 of course this has lead me to look at my GA version - oh dear, that smokebox ring/front plating is best not examined too closely 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I have to disagree with you slightly on that Ivan, the smokebox ring should have a SMALL overhang, I have numerous photos of the front end of the real thing showing the overhang... We must be looking at different photos of the same thing. There is no noticeable overhang in the ones I've seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted January 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2014 I said small I'd estimate maybe 3/4" so 1/4mm in OO, Hornby have it maybe 4 times too much? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Reference post #712, the shape at the back of the raves on the J type tender should have a distinctive flat horizontal section... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Many thanks for the information gentlemen. It means writing the review should result in greater accuracy. It's quite apparent now that the Hornby model represents the loco in current preserved condition (without the raised numerals). Looking at it, extra pipes are included for fixing to the front bufferbeam. I'm told that Hornby is to do the BR version but which tender it'll have I don't know - unlikely to be the unique 1J? Years ago I built a DJH example for a friend/customer and I took pictures but where the negatives are I don't now know. An account was written up for the MRJ, but never published. I cannot remember which tender was supplied but it might have been the 1J. My memory is of a superb kit, to which I added all John Brighton's Steamline cast and turned fittings. It's my recollection that the smokebox front ring protruded by only the tiniest amount, not as much as Hornby's. There are no tender pick-ups but both locos run incredibly well. As for the length of the smokebox cross rail, I'll have to look at more pictures. Since the models are now on sale, I imagine that by the review appears (in the March BRM) they'll have sold out, or they should do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Speaking of the March issue of BRM, I've been asked to compile a report on how to achieve a representative stud of ER express motive power. Here are one or two tasters. The pictures will tell you the origins. I made three and Alan Hammett made one. There are loads more.............. 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Tony Wrights photo shows DOG with a return crank to the gearbox.... This crank is not on images used by Hattons to show the forthcoming 1960 version of the Duke, plus the Tender in that same image is neither of the two Tenders in use during the steam-era. The confusion that Hornby created is not helping potential purchasers one bit when it leads to, "What can we actually expect to find on each variant?..." Front end shot of sluightly overhanging smokebox on this thread.... http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/67147-seven-models-o-gauge-duke-of-gloucester/page-9 Edited January 9, 2014 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Speaking of the March issue of BRM, I've been asked to compile a report on how to achieve a representative stud of ER express motive power. Here are one or two tasters. The pictures will tell you the origins. I made three and Alan Hammett made one. There are loads more.............. A2 1 60510 Nu-Cast.jpg A3 60104 DJH.jpg Good evening Tony Great locomotives, may I ask who kit is the A2/1 and was it one of the locomotives built by yourself. Really looking forward to seeing your article in The March addition of BRM. Regards David V2 60800 Crownline.jpg V2 60905 Nu-Cast.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mow Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 2011 the Duke on the move at St Ishmaels. http://www.flickr.com/photos/16582147@N07/6095747405/in/photolist-ahEikc-byQS3t-bkVZk7-ahkeag-ahkeCR-ahxxiS-af769m-agH7YG-af77c9-ahxuxy-ahuLvP-ahuKFH/lightbox/ Reference to new painted numerals on the owning group's blog pages - worth a visit with plenty of photographs and news. http://71000dukeofgloucester.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-max=2012-04-13T16:48:00%2B01:00&max-results=7&start=59&by-date=false Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Footage of the first steaming of 71000 in preservation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Good evening Tony Great locomotives, may I ask who kit is the A2/1 and was it one of the locomotives built by yourself. Really looking forward to seeing your article in The March addition of BRM. Regards David David, The A2/1 was built by me from a Nu-cast kit on a scratch-built chassis. Ian Rathbone painted it. Allan Hammett built the A3 and painted it; Tony Geary did the weathering. I built both the V2s; Ian Rathbone painted 60800 and I painted 60905, which also has a scratch-built chassis - I chucked the cast-metal original into an old saucepan and melted it down (along with lots of other margarine metal scrap) into ingots for ballast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 David, The A2/1 was built by me from a Nu-cast kit on a scratch-built chassis. Ian Rathbone painted it. Allan Hammett built the A3 and painted it; Tony Geary did the weathering. I built both the V2s; Ian Rathbone painted 60800 and I painted 60905, which also has a scratch-built chassis - I chucked the cast-metal original into an old saucepan and melted it down (along with lots of other margarine metal scrap) into ingots for ballast. Thank you Tony Regards David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Many thanks for the information gentlemen. It means writing the review should result in greater accuracy. It's quite apparent now that the Hornby model represents the loco in current preserved condition (without the raised numerals). Looking at it, extra pipes are included for fixing to the front bufferbeam. I'm told that Hornby is to do the BR version but which tender it'll have I don't know - unlikely to be the unique 1J? Years ago I built a DJH example for a friend/customer and I took pictures but where the negatives are I don't now know. An account was written up for the MRJ, but never published. I cannot remember which tender was supplied but it might have been the 1J. My memory is of a superb kit, to which I added all John Brighton's Steamline cast and turned fittings. It's my recollection that the smokebox front ring protruded by only the tiniest amount, not as much as Hornby's. There are no tender pick-ups but both locos run incredibly well. As for the length of the smokebox cross rail, I'll have to look at more pictures. Since the models are now on sale, I imagine that by the review appears (in the March BRM) they'll have sold out, or they should do. To my eyes the overhang of the smokebox ring is minor compared to those bosses on the inside of the deflectors for handrails on the main range version, but we all have our pet niggles. I'm pleased that your versions run well, as there are doubts about the one-piece coupling rods expressed in the Duke thread in the Hornby section, for smooth running on curves of type 2 or 3. Apart from the usual doubts about assembly quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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