MarkC Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Iain.d said: Last weekend, well I think it was last weekend, I started this Johnson 3500 gallon tender from a George Norton / Connoisseur’s Choice kit to replace an old Triang one that came with a MR 3F. The fit of parts has been superb, in particular the brass work. The nickel silver not quite so, it was/is also coated with something like a clear varnish or preservative. I found when I soldered the brake gear up, it seemed okay, the flux sizzled and the solder flowed and everything was secured, but the next day more than half of the joints were loose. So I unsoldered the few secured pieces and then scrubbed all the parts in Jif. It seems okay now. The brake gear is removable so that the wheels can be inserted. The axles have 2mm-1/8in sleeves that have been secured in place with Loctite 601, from a very old bottle which I was half expecting to be ‘off’. There's not much sideplay on the chassis but it will happily negotiate Peco OO bullhead points. The flares at the tender top were done by bending the brass around a 1/8in bar and applying little more than finger pressure. I need to decide on a buffer beam; two are provided, one seems too deep and the other too shallow. And I think I’ve worked out the bending and fitting of parts for the coal hole and tool boxes. All being well I’ll be able to do some more this week. Kind regards, Iain Nice work - and your comments about a potential coating on N/S components in a Norton kit are duly noted. I have an old Norton J25 in the roundtuit pile; I will bear this in mind when it becomes time to construct it. (I can't check now as I'm away at sea until early next month). Mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted October 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 hours ago, t-b-g said: I have been both the victim and the perpetrator of some daft things during my involvement in the hobby. If there was a parting of the ways every time something stupid like that either happened to me, or was done by me, I would have no friends left at all. I am lucky that they tolerate me and they are lucky that I tolerate them! You and I have both been "victims" of some strange actions by Roy. The Pacific you started and my V2 that he stripped down to components again without any consultation were probably just as bad (or in my view worse) as the incident with the O Gauge point. Even people we respect and who should know better can get it wrong sometimes. Rule One in every group/club I've ever been involved with is that one doesn't alter stuff others have built without discussing the need for it first. Basic courtesy. John 3 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post t-b-g Posted October 3, 2021 RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: Rule One in every group/club I've ever been involved with is that one doesn't alter stuff others have built without discussing the need for it first. Basic courtesy. John That is certainly the way I work. I think my worst sins include dropping a loco that somebody else had built (he forgave me and mended it) and something I did at my first ever show as an exhibitor. Standing around like a spare part during setting up, I asked the more experienced members of the crew if there was anything I could do without messing it up or getting in the way of the others. He said "Grab that jar of grass "flock" and use some of it to hide the baseboard joints". So I did. When the show ended, they were all puzzled by the fact that when they took the bolts out, the layout wouldn't come apart. Well he hadn't told me to put it on loose, so I had run a fillet of pva glue down the joints and sprinkled the grass on top, just as I did on my layout at home. Much use of chisel and screwdriver got them apart but the baseboard ends showed the scars for the next 30 years. Of course I blamed the lack of clear and precise instructions. They just thought I was useless! Edited October 3, 2021 by t-b-g To add content 3 22 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 16 minutes ago, t-b-g said: When the show ended, they were all puzzled by the fact that when they took the bolts out, the layout wouldn't come apart. Well he hadn't told me to put it on loose, so I had run a fillet of pva glue down the joints and sprinkled the grass on top, just as I did on my layout at home. Much use of chisel and screwdriver got them apart but the baseboard ends showed the scars for the next 30 years. Of course I blamed the lack of clear and precise instructions. They just thought I was useless! Oops! But yes, a lack of clear and precise instructions was indeed the root cause here (Been auditing too many "Near Miss" and "Incident" reports over the last few days...) 1 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 3, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 3, 2021 38 minutes ago, t-b-g said: I think my worst sins include dropping a loco that somebody else had built (he forgave me and mended it) and something I did at my first ever show as an exhibitor. Standing around like a spare part during setting up, I asked the more experienced members of the crew if there was anything I could do without messing it up or getting in the way of the others. He said "Grab that jar of grass "flock" and use some of it to hide the baseboard joints". So I did. When the show ended, they were all puzzled by the fact that when they took the bolts out, the layout wouldn't come apart. Well he hadn't told me to put it on loose, so I had run a fillet of pva glue down the joints and sprinkled the grass on top, just as I did on my layout at home. Much use of chisel and screwdriver got them apart but the baseboard ends showed the scars for the next 30 years. Of course I blamed the lack of clear and precise instructions. They just thought I was useless! Well, I'll bet it looked good during the exhibition - surely that's what matters? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold zr2498 Posted October 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 3, 2021 For those who did not get to GETS, here are 5 videos of the layouts. Excellent recordings by dcc125. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QD8az_t7hE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKtQC5w_sos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em19Fj56v_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVgKIbmnbMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWo2LaE0ZtI About 1/2 hour each. Sady too far for me to travel with the fuel uncertainty. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted October 3, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2021 Not moving images I'm afraid, but it was jolly nice to see BAHAMAS today. Tricky lighting, but a good smoke effect. Better lighting for her going away. Isn't it a privilege to be able to see scenes like this just ten minutes' walk from my home? 34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted October 4, 2021 Author Share Posted October 4, 2021 16 hours ago, Dunsignalling said: Rule One in every group/club I've ever been involved with is that one doesn't alter stuff others have built without discussing the need for it first. Basic courtesy. John Good morning John, Which is why I reacted so angrily to the deliberate damage being done to the work of others. I think there's a huge difference between a deliberate act and causing accidental damage, even though the latter might have been through carelessness (I know!). Regarding basic courtesy, one rule we always followed when exhibiting Stoke and Charwelton was this; if a loco/item of stock malfunctioned, it was immediately taken off and replaced, irrespective of whose work it was. Nobody 'enjoyed' a high-status with regard to their work. The builder would then investigate, fix it (if possible) out of sight of the public, then, only after the public had gone, test it again. Occasionally, I'd be asked to look at the work of others, but only on request. Regards, Tony. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted October 4, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2021 I've just sent off stuff for Hornby's virtual event taking place at the end of this month. Which includes detailing/improving/renumbering/renaming Hornby items like these....................... Seen on the front cover of an issue of the RM last year. Spot the Hornby O1. Improving Hornby's latest Mk.1s. The necessity of a tail lamp. What can be done to improve Hornby's gangwayed Gresleys. Including brass replacement sides. Weathering Pullman cars. And detailing/weathering Staniers. And horseboxes. And tank wagons. And how to make a loco-drive Britannia out of a tender-drive one. I hope it all works! 33 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarrMan Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 On 02/10/2021 at 16:47, t-b-g said: It must be a church thing. All the Buckingham locos go the "wrong" way too. Mind you, They were built before there was, as far as I recall, any commercial 2 rail available, so who can say that it wasn't Peter Denny (and your lay preacher) who got it right and Hornby Dublo and everybody else who followed after who got it wrong. At the time, if a modeller was building their own track, locos and controllers, the way the locos went would have been arbitrary as long as they all went the same way. There would have been precious few EM layouts or locos around for anybody to even notice the difference. You may well have had dealings with oafs, fools and clowns over the years. All I have had are those with lower levels of skill, experience and ability, or those who had picked up some bad habits along the way that might have needed a bit of re-educating. Such as those who believe that they could never possibly get something wrong! I hope that I am not afflicted by this 'church thing' of refusing to accept that you may be wrong, though I have met many who are. As the saying is, empty heads make the most noise. I have, however, been accused of unprofessional-ism (in an academic context) for stating that i do not know everything, even about my own subject. I tried to instill into my students the idea that they can learn something from everyone. I doubt that i achieved success even in that! Lloyd 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted October 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Tony Wright said: Tony - I am so reluctant to write anything amounting to criticism of any of your work or that of others on LB (particularly considering my own limited modelling efforts) but I have some observations about the weathering of the tanks above. First point is that these are methanol tanks; methanol is a very thin, volatile and clear liquid so any spillage wouldn't leave the black staining on the left tank. The tank on the right looks excellent, with just the effects of general dirt being washed downwards by rain. Black staining is reserved for diesel, lube oil and tar tanks. Secondly, the black staining and "runs" on an oil tank should be almost entirely in the vicinity of the filler hatch cover; while the effects of passing air will make it spread slightly wider to a band a couple of feet wide at the bottom of the tank, it doesn't start wide at the top. There is no source for the oil staining away from the hatch. These minor criticisms aside, I should say though that this weathering is still much more realistic than that provided by a lot of "professional" weathering services, at not insignificant cost. Rob 6 2 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted October 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2021 43 minutes ago, FarrMan said: I hope that I am not afflicted by this 'church thing' of refusing to accept that you may be wrong, though I have met many who are. As the saying is, empty heads make the most noise. I have, however, been accused of unprofessional-ism (in an academic context) for stating that i do not know everything, even about my own subject. I tried to instill into my students the idea that they can learn something from everyone. I doubt that i achieved success even in that! Lloyd I am with you 100%. I am never sure that I am completely right about anything. Just being right enough to get the results I hope for is my target. After modelling railways for over 45 years (not counting the 10 or so years before that building a train set with dad) I am still learning about new tricks, tools, techniques and materials all the time. As a tutor at Missenden, I often come away having pinched an idea or two from the people I am supposed to be tutoring, or from the other tutors. For me, it is one of the great joys of the hobby. Always learning and never knowing it all. 9 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRat Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 There's a nice article on weathering tank wagons in one of the recent MTRJ's by Martin Welch. Very difficult to weather convincingly, especially if any iron work, ladders etc are left on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 38 minutes ago, Northmoor said: Tony - I am so reluctant to write anything amounting to criticism of any of your work or that of others on LB (particularly considering my own limited modelling efforts) but I have some observations about the weathering of the tanks above. First point is that these are methanol tanks; methanol is a very thin, volatile and clear liquid so any spillage wouldn't leave the black staining on the left tank. The tank on the right looks excellent, with just the effects of general dirt being washed downwards by rain. Black staining is reserved for diesel, lube oil and tar tanks. Secondly, the black staining and "runs" on an oil tank should be almost entirely in the vicinity of the filler hatch cover; while the effects of passing air will make it spread slightly wider to a band a couple of feet wide at the bottom of the tank, it doesn't start wide at the top. There is no source for the oil staining away from the hatch. These minor criticisms aside, I should say though that this weathering is still much more realistic than that provided by a lot of "professional" weathering services, at not insignificant cost. Rob Cripes. I hope my recently weathered scratch/bashed fuel tankers and cement wagon kits (both N/2mm) pass muster. I did try to base them on actual wagons and the staining did seem to spread out along and under the walkways a bit before running down: But I have now started on a 35t liquid chlorine bogie tanker which is a 3D print from shapeways. Still a lot to do: 15 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Sim Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Tony Wright said: Spot the Hornby O1. . It’s a trick, they’re all Hornby…. ………Run away………… 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 O1 On the right much finer detail, and thinner Tender sides. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PupCam Posted October 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 4, 2021 I'd plump for the one on the right. The dome fits ..... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Roger Sunderland Posted October 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2021 Definitely the right- not as chunky! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Jesse Sim said: It’s a trick, they’re all Hornby…. ………Run away………… Quickly..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted October 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 4, 2021 46 minutes ago, davidw said: Quickly..... To be fair, Jesse has half a planet headstart. Actually, yes, very quickly indeed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Tony Wright said: I've just sent off stuff for Hornby's virtual event taking place at the end of this month. Which includes detailing/improving/renumbering/renaming Hornby items like these....................... Seen on the front cover of an issue of the RM last year. Spot the Hornby O1. Improving Hornby's latest Mk.1s. The necessity of a tail lamp. What can be done to improve Hornby's gangwayed Gresleys. Including brass replacement sides. Weathering Pullman cars. And detailing/weathering Staniers. And horseboxes. And tank wagons. And how to make a loco-drive Britannia out of a tender-drive one. I hope it all works! 13 minutes ago, Bucoops said: To be fair, Jesse has half a planet headstart. Actually, yes, very quickly indeed. I've had the pleasure of seeing Tony's LB on a number of occasions; Hornby, Bachmann and Heljan loco's look very much part of the scene such is their fidelity. I appreciate completely that Tony's kit built locos' are far more capable. My own view is that the DJH A1's in particular have a far better sense of bulk than the Bachmann equivalents. Edited October 4, 2021 by davidw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 4069 Posted October 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Jesse Sim said: It’s a trick, they’re all Hornby…. ………Run away………… As is so often the case, the Hornby is the one with the right shape of smokebox door. On the right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Sim Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Bucoops said: To be fair, Jesse has half a planet headstart. Actually, yes, very quickly indeed. I wonder if it will be a thrashing or writing lines this time…. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrains Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 2 hours ago, PupCam said: I'd plump for the one on the right. The dome fits ..... And you can see the coupling socket on the front of the bogie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted October 4, 2021 Author Share Posted October 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Northmoor said: Tony - I am so reluctant to write anything amounting to criticism of any of your work or that of others on LB (particularly considering my own limited modelling efforts) but I have some observations about the weathering of the tanks above. First point is that these are methanol tanks; methanol is a very thin, volatile and clear liquid so any spillage wouldn't leave the black staining on the left tank. The tank on the right looks excellent, with just the effects of general dirt being washed downwards by rain. Black staining is reserved for diesel, lube oil and tar tanks. Secondly, the black staining and "runs" on an oil tank should be almost entirely in the vicinity of the filler hatch cover; while the effects of passing air will make it spread slightly wider to a band a couple of feet wide at the bottom of the tank, it doesn't start wide at the top. There is no source for the oil staining away from the hatch. These minor criticisms aside, I should say though that this weathering is still much more realistic than that provided by a lot of "professional" weathering services, at not insignificant cost. Rob Good afternoon Rob, Please, criticise-away. In my ignorance, I've probably looked at staining on other tank wagons and copied that. I certainly don't know everything, as evidenced by your observation, and nobody should be above criticism. Regards, Tony. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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