Wright writes.....

[sandra]

Hello Tony,

 

Reference has been made to a remark made by the late Roy Jackson concerning a N5 0-6-2. I don’t know if the anecdote is true but it does certainly sound like something Roy might have said.

 

However there is an N5 on the layout which is probably the subject of the story.Here she is on the up main line just south of the flat crossing at Retford  The locomotive does not have any brakes but it does have sprung buffers and screw couplings. The body seems to have been scratch built and she had an XO4 type motor. The loco does work but is rather noisy. It was clearly built a long time ago and is probably very much of its time.

 

Retford does need an N5 as three were shedded there in 1957 of which 69314 was one. I had thought of updating this model but it is very much of its period and I think I will leave it as it is and build a new one.

 

Sandra

 

[Keith Turbutt]

On 13/07/2022 at 12:15, stewartingram said:

But...that is a RTR model....on LB!

 

Short of scratch building I don't think it's possible to avoid RTR diesels to represent the steam/diesel era(?).

This is my period of interest having started train spotting at Gidea Park from about 1958/9 when the first pilot scheme diesels appeared on our line. Unfortunately the diesels swept in at such a rate on the GE that steam was all but gone by the end of 1960 although there were occasional sightings up to 1962. 

 

Diesel kits have only been available from a few manufacturers. Dave Alexander produced some of the best kits but only covered half a dozen types. MTK , nicknamed 'Modern Trash Kits - for that is what they were, produced some locos(?) and DMU kits, DC Kits produced a range of plastic DMU kits which were quite good. Also Westward I believe, produced multiple unit kits in stamped out aluminium. KItmaster and Airfix produced a couple of diesel shunters. Another manufacturer whose name escapes me for the moment (Modern Outline Kits - thanks Staffordshire) produced detailed brass kits which I think included an 08, 40 and 47 and maybe one or two others. Silver Fox  supplied resin bodies of the pioneer and prototype diesels but that was about it for 4mm. No doubt someone will know of others  - eh Clive?

 

Back to RTR I think models have now been produced for all the main line diesels of the steam/diesel era including most of the pioneer diesels. A model of the Fell diesel is under development and the LMS precursor of the Class 15 (D8200 series) has been promised. Also the three Gas Turbine locos have been produced or announced.  Heljan produced the EM1 and EM2 Woodhead electrics and Triang, Hornby, Lima and Bachmann have done the later West Coast electrics. No one has done the three Southern main line electric locos as far as I know. 

 

Is there the same amount pf satisfaction in building a diesel kit as one gets from building a steam loco ?

I welcome comments.

 

Tony I hope you don't mind me mentioning this on here as it is primarily a steam orientated thread which I always enjoy reading.

 

Keith

 

Edited July 15, 2022 by Keith Turbutt
Added Modern Outline Kits - thanks Staffordshire

[Guest Simon A.C. Martin]

So in the spirit of moving away from the Thompson debate, I thought I would share these projects of a Gresley Pacific project I have finally finished, albeit with some professional help at the end!

 

In 2012, I started work on building a small fleet of Gresley A10 and A3 Pacifics, with wartime and just immediately wartime liveries. The base model was the Hornby Railroad Flying Scotsman model, at the time available for just £49 discounted from £60 (it is much more expensive now).

 

 

One of the first of these was a model based on no.97, Humorist. I changed the cab, added smoke deflectors, a double chimney (one of yours, Mr King), washout plugs, a streamlined dome, whitemetal buffers, separately fitted handrails, the list goes on...oh, and it had to be converted from right hand drive to left hand drive too!

 

 

Later that year I visited Little Bytham and it was run on one of Tony's trains. I very much enjoyed that visit and Tony and Mo were lovely to me (as they are to all of their guests, it was a privilege to see Little Bytham up close).

 

Over ten years later, I finally got around to painting it, lining it out, and then adding more features.

 

That model has just taken part in the #GoGrabAGresley competition, having featured as one of the trains on Steve Croucher's Neville Grove. Steve has very kindly weathered it for me, together with coaling and similar. 

 

Please find attached the photographs of Humorist at work, and the photograph, together with the link to Neil Dimmer's photographs, that inspired its look.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Original image found here: 

 

 

Neil Dimmer's photography of Gresley A3s.

 

I was reluctant to weather it myself, but knew it had to be weathered. I did everything else though - does this count as modelling, I hope so!

 

Steve's weathering is right up with some of the best in my opinion, and I will be going to him more with other commissions in future, as I finish the building of my locomotives intended for my Ganwick Curve layout at last.

Edited July 13, 2022 by Simon A.C. Martin

[Staffordshire]

1 hour ago, Keith Turbutt said:

 

Short of scratch building I don't think it's possible to avoid RTR diesels to represent the steam/diesel era(?).

This is my period of interest having started train spotting at Gidea Park from about 1958/9 when the first pilot scheme diesels appeared on our line. Unfortunately the diesels swept in at such a rate on the GE that steam was all but gone by the end of 1960 although there were occasional sightings up to 1962. 

 

Diesel kits have only been available from a few manufacturers. Dave Alexander produced some of the best kits but only covered half a dozen types. MTK , nicknamed 'Modern Trash Kits - for that is what they were, produced some locos(?) and DMU kits, DC Kits produced a range of plastic DMU kits which were quite good. Also Westward I believe, produced multiple unit kits in stamped out aluminium. KItmaster and Airfix produced a couple of diesel shunters. Another manufacturer whose name escapes me for the moment produced detailed brass kits which I think included an 08, 40 and 47 and maybe one or two others. Silver Fox  supplied resin bodies of the pioneer and prototype diesels but that was about it for 4mm. No doubt someone will know of others  - eh Clive?

 

Back to RTR I think models have now been produced for all the main line diesels of the steam/diesel era including most of the pioneer diesels. A model of the Fell diesel is under development and the LMS precursor of the Class 15 (D8200 series) has been promised. Also the three Gas Turbine locos have been produced or announced.  Heljan produced the EM1 and EM2 Woodhead electrics and Triang, Hornby, Lima and Bachmann have done the later West Coast electrics. No one has done the three Southern main line electric locos as far as I know. 

 

Is there the same amount pf satisfaction in building a diesel kit as one gets from building a steam loco ?

I welcome comments.

 

Tony I hope you don't mind me mentioning this on here as it is primarily a steam orientated thread which I always enjoy reading.

 

Keith

 

 

  Think the detailed Class 08, 40, 47 kits were Modern Outline Kits, also produced the Class 14 .

 

  Dave Alexander also I  believe produced a kit for Hawk ..10800   

 

  A fell kit and a Bullied Shunter 11001 s also produced by Judith Edge kits.

Edited July 13, 2022 by Staffordshire
Additions to text ...

[cctransuk]

8 hours ago, Staffordshire said:

 Dave Alexander also I  believe produced a kit for Hawk ..10800  

 

Pedantry alert - 10800 didn't acquire the name Hawk until it had been significantly rebuilt from its original condition, and it never actually carried the name.

 

CJI.

[MJI]

Lots of kit shunters

 

Various from the Edges, Got a PWM650 from JE

 

Older A1 etched kits, got a 90% finished 05

 

Got a finished Vulcan 04

 

But DMUs are very poorly served by RTR

[Tony Wright]

20 hours ago, Simon A.C. Martin said:

So in the spirit of moving away from the Thompson debate, I thought I would share these projects of a Gresley Pacific project I have finally finished, albeit with some professional help at the end!

 

In 2012, I started work on building a small fleet of Gresley A10 and A3 Pacifics, with wartime and just immediately wartime liveries. The base model was the Hornby Railroad Flying Scotsman model, at the time available for just £49 discounted from £60 (it is much more expensive now).

 

 

One of the first of these was a model based on no.97, Humorist. I changed the cab, added smoke deflectors, a double chimney (one of yours, Mr King), washout plugs, a streamlined dome, whitemetal buffers, separately fitted handrails, the list goes on...oh, and it had to be converted from right hand drive to left hand drive too!

 

 

Later that year I visited Little Bytham and it was run on one of Tony's trains. I very much enjoyed that visit and Tony and Mo were lovely to me (as they are to all of their guests, it was a privilege to see Little Bytham up close).

 

Over ten years later, I finally got around to painting it, lining it out, and then adding more features.

 

That model has just taken part in the #GoGrabAGresley competition, having featured as one of the trains on Steve Croucher's Neville Grove. Steve has very kindly weathered it for me, together with coaling and similar. 

 

Please find attached the photographs of Humorist at work, and the photograph, together with the link to Neil Dimmer's photographs, that inspired its look.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Original image found here: 

 

 

Neil Dimmer's photography of Gresley A3s.

 

I was reluctant to weather it myself, but knew it had to be weathered. I did everything else though - does this count as modelling, I hope so!

 

Steve's weathering is right up with some of the best in my opinion, and I will be going to him more with other commissions in future, as I finish the building of my locomotives intended for my Ganwick Curve layout at last.

Good morning Simon,

 

I think you might have the date of your visit to Little Bytham slightly too early (my records say it was 2014). No matter, it's always a privilege to have guests visit the trainset (you must come again). 

 

If you recall, you arrived with Tom Foster, who, like you, brought some very-interesting models along that day. 

 

 

Here's your HUMORIST passing one of Tom's weathered Hornby A1s. 

 

 

And, another pair of Tom's beautifully-weathered locos, along with (I assume) some of his stock. 

 

What these shots (and the following ones) show is how much LB has come on in the last eight years.

 

Do the next four pictures show your locos?

 

 

An altered Hornby A4, though the tender should have no beading.

 

Three Mr. King conversions? 

 

 

 

 

Despite the 'controversies', models of Thompson's Pacifics are always interesting; DUKE OF ROTHESAY, it would seem, particularly so.......

 

 

Built from a PDK kit for Tom by John Houlden, and weathered by Tom. It's now owned by Geoff West.

 

 

Another PDK A2/1, this one the work of David West.

 

 

 

And my own 60508, built from a Jamieson hand-cut kit.

 

Can there be many layouts which have run (at least) four Dukes of Rothesay? 

 

And, probably four or five GREAT NORTHERNs.....

 

 

 

 

Here's mine - built from a Crownline kit, and painted by Ian Rathbone.

 

Tom also brought along another loco he'd weathered.....

 

 

Again John Houlden's work, now also the property of Geoff West. 

 

HUMORIST has been a popular visitor, too.............

 

 

Eric Kidd's lovely Hornby conversion.

 

 

I can't recall (though I must have been told) whose this is. 

 

Even I did a conversion............

 

 

Though never again! The deflectors supplied by the customer are for an A1.

 

The privilege of having so many splendid guests, apart from their company, is that many (like yourself) bring along some fascinating models; models which I'm invited to photograph, thus expanding my picture library.

 

As I say, you must come again and bring some more interesting models.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 14, 2022 by Tony Wright
clumsy English and correction

[davidw]

5 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

 

 

 

Another example of John Houldlen's work, this one a conversion, I think. It's now the property of The Green Howards (Andy Sparkes).

 

 

 

Hi Tony I could be wrong butI I think this Duke is mine built from a pdk kit. The boiler isn't sitting low enough an the handrail a little bit high. Something on the to do list. The build wa a bit of a fight

Apologies if I'm mistaken though

[Tony Wright]

10 minutes ago, davidw said:

Hi Tony I could be wrong butI I think this Duke is mine built from a pdk kit. The boiler isn't sitting low enough an the handrail a little bit high. Something on the to do list. The build wa a bit of a fight

Apologies if I'm mistaken though

Good morning David,

 

I think you're right (my memory isn't what it was!). 

 

Somewhere, I have a picture of Andy Sparkes' DUKE OF ROTHESAY. I'll have to dig it out.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[Tony Wright]

11 hours ago, Keith Turbutt said:

 

Short of scratch building I don't think it's possible to avoid RTR diesels to represent the steam/diesel era(?).

This is my period of interest having started train spotting at Gidea Park from about 1958/9 when the first pilot scheme diesels appeared on our line. Unfortunately the diesels swept in at such a rate on the GE that steam was all but gone by the end of 1960 although there were occasional sightings up to 1962. 

 

Diesel kits have only been available from a few manufacturers. Dave Alexander produced some of the best kits but only covered half a dozen types. MTK , nicknamed 'Modern Trash Kits - for that is what they were, produced some locos(?) and DMU kits, DC Kits produced a range of plastic DMU kits which were quite good. Also Westward I believe, produced multiple unit kits in stamped out aluminium. KItmaster and Airfix produced a couple of diesel shunters. Another manufacturer whose name escapes me for the moment produced detailed brass kits which I think included an 08, 40 and 47 and maybe one or two others. Silver Fox  supplied resin bodies of the pioneer and prototype diesels but that was about it for 4mm. No doubt someone will know of others  - eh Clive?

 

Back to RTR I think models have now been produced for all the main line diesels of the steam/diesel era including most of the pioneer diesels. A model of the Fell diesel is under development and the LMS precursor of the Class 15 (D8200 series) has been promised. Also the three Gas Turbine locos have been produced or announced.  Heljan produced the EM1 and EM2 Woodhead electrics and Triang, Hornby, Lima and Bachmann have done the later West Coast electrics. No one has done the three Southern main line electric locos as far as I know. 

 

Is there the same amount pf satisfaction in building a diesel kit as one gets from building a steam loco ?

I welcome comments.

 

Tony I hope you don't mind me mentioning this on here as it is primarily a steam orientated thread which I always enjoy reading.

 

Keith

 

Good morning Keith,

 

I don't mind your mentioning anything on here. 

 

I honestly think diesel-/electric-outline locos are more difficult to build than steam-outline ones, especially from scratch. Though I think I could (just about) match the current RTR steam-outline locos with my kit-builds, the same is not the case with regard to the diesels/electrics (not that I have any of the latter). 

 

It's astonishing how many RTR diesel/electric locos have been produced, including some of the classes which were flops; yet, they are popular as models, even the one-offs. 

 

Last weekend, I saw a box for a Q Kits' diesel kit on a second-hand stall (I didn't investigate!). I think the firm (Mike Cole?) once did a kit for a Bulleid 1-Co-Co-1 main line diesel.

 

 

I doubt if it would have looked as well as this RTR version, however.

 

Imagine trying to build something as good as this.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

[Guest Simon A.C. Martin]

17 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Good morning Simon,

 

I think you might have the date of your visit to Little Bytham slightly too early (my records say it was 2014). No matter, it's always a privilege to have guests visit the trainset (you must come again). 

 

If you recall, you arrived with Tom Foster, who, like you, brought some very-interesting models along that day. 

 

 

Here's your HUMORIST passing one of Tom's weathered Hornby A1s. 

 

 

And, another pair of Tom's beautifully-weathered locos, along with (I assume) some of his stock. 

 

What these shots (and the following ones) show is how much LB has come on in the last eight years.

 

Do the next four pictures show your locos?

 

 

An altered Hornby A4, though the tender should have no beading.

 

Three Mr. King conversions? 

 

 

 

 

The privilege of having so many splendid guests, apart from their company, is that many (like yourself) bring along some fascinating models; models which I'm invited to photograph, thus expanding my picture library.

 

As I say, you must come again and bring some more interesting models.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you Tony for the kind words. If it was 2014, Humorist was sitting in primer for at least two years, which seems about right actually. 

 

Yes, that was indeed our visit. The locos above are all mine. The Thompsons were built from Graeme King's resin parts, with Great Northern's chassis done for me by Graeme and the bodyshells/painting/etc done by me. Some of my earliest models there. Silver Fox (built from a cheap magazine model, with Bachmann chassis and Hornby tender) was later repainted a slightly darker shade of blue and matched with the correct corridor tender, Duke of Rothesay (Bachmann V2 bodyshell with Graeme King parts and Bachmann A2 shortened chassis) has remained the same, Wolf of Badenoch (Bachmann A2 with Graeme King parts) was repainted into wartime black and looks much better for it, and Great Northern (Hornby A3 with Graeme King Parts) was completed and looks thus:

 

 

Still have the running plate to line out, then have the whole loco weathered. One of my favourite models, mainly in that (with Graeme's help) it represents a one off in a livery rarely modelled. I think the only other one I have seen is Mick Bennett's (far superior) model from the same heritage of parts.

[Barry Ten]

12 hours ago, Simon A.C. Martin said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Steve's weathering is right up with some of the best in my opinion, and I will be going to him more with other commissions in future, as I finish the building of my locomotives intended for my Ganwick Curve layout at last.

 

I really like the patina he achieves with his weathering, and the contrast between the cleaner and less-clean areas.

[micklner]

10 hours ago, Simon A.C. Martin said:

 

Thank you Tony for the kind words. If it was 2014, Humorist was sitting in primer for at least two years, which seems about right actually. 

 

Yes, that was indeed our visit. The locos above are all mine. The Thompsons were built from Graeme King's resin parts, with Great Northern's chassis done for me by Graeme and the bodyshells/painting/etc done by me. Some of my earliest models there. Silver Fox (built from a cheap magazine model, with Bachmann chassis and Hornby tender) was later repainted a slightly darker shade of blue and matched with the correct corridor tender, Duke of Rothesay (Bachmann V2 bodyshell with Graeme King parts and Bachmann A2 shortened chassis) has remained the same, Wolf of Badenoch (Bachmann A2 with Graeme King parts) was repainted into wartime black and looks much better for it, and Great Northern (Hornby A3 with Graeme King Parts) was completed and looks thus:

 

 

Still have the running plate to line out, then have the whole loco weathered. One of my favourite models, mainly in that (with Graeme's help) it represents a one off in a livery rarely modelled. I think the only other one I have seen is Mick Bennett's (far superior) model from the same heritage of parts.

As the old photos appear to be long gone . As mentioned some of my Thompson Pacifics.

 

A1/1 conversion of  Hornby A3 , quite appropriatte source for this much maligned Loco.

 

 

Conversions of the Bachmann A2

 

A2/1 Duke of Rothesay. Bachmann GS Tender

 

 

A2/2 Wolf of Badenoch . Hornby Tender

 

 

 

A2/3 Airborne

 

 

All these were built using the excellent resin and etched conversion kits created/supplied by Graeme King.

 

 

Same post war period

 

Hornby A3  converted into post war A3 Humourist.

 

 

 

Last up as i have just taken some photos for the current LNER Sentinel Railcar thread.

 

Nu Cast version.

 

 

Edited July 14, 2022 by micklner

[Tony Wright]

3 hours ago, micklner said:

As the old photos appear to be long gone . As mentioned some of my Thompson Pacifics.

 

A1/1 conversion of  Hornby A3 , quite appropriatte source for this much maligned Loco.

 

 

Conversions of the Bachmann A2

 

A2/1 Duke of Rothesay. Bachmann GS Tender

 

 

A2/2 Wolf of Badenoch . Hornby Tender

 

 

 

A2/3 Airbourne

 

 

All these were built ,due to the excellent conversion kits supplied by Graeme King.

 

 

Same post war period

 

Hornby A3  converted into post war A3 Humourist

 

 

 

Last up as i have just taken some photos for the current LNER Sentinel Railcar thread.

 

Nu Cast version.

 

 

Good evening Mick,

 

Very nice models.

 

Thanks for showing us.

 

Do you know when the front coal division plates on the A1/A3 GNR tenders were altered from being at a rear-facing angle to vertical? I've read somewhere (obviously, can't remember where) that it was a wartime expediency (to increase coal capacity?), but some were not altered until later (including HUMORIST's). 

 

One thing I've never seen recorded is the fact that some of the A1/A3 GNR tenders had the side coal rails around the water filler filled in with plating behind them, to the rear of the bunker and up to the intermediate vertical stanchion. HUMORIST had this feature. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Edited July 14, 2022 by Tony Wright
to add something

[micklner]

45 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Good evening Mick,

 

Very nice models.

 

Thanks for showing us.

 

Do you know when the front coal division plates on the A1/A3 GNR tenders were altered from being at a rear-facing angle to vertical? I've read somewhere (obviously, can't remember where) that it was a wartime expediency (to increase coal capacity?), but some were not altered until later (including HUMORIST's). 

 

One thing I've never seen recorded is the fact that some of the A1/A3 GNR tenders had the coal rails filled in with plating behind them, to the rear of the bunker and up to the intermediate vertical stanchion. HUMORIST had this feature. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Tony

Info from RCTS Pt2a  the Front Coal plate was made vertical from August 1952.

Nothing mentioned therein re any Plating alterations to ex GNR Design Tenders at any time . I could'nt find any relevant photos.

 

cheers

 

Mick

Edited July 14, 2022 by micklner

[Ian Rathbone]

Another ‘Great Northern’, built by Mike Edge.

 

 

Ian R

[PMP]

On 13/07/2022 at 23:29, Keith Turbutt said:

 

Is there the same amount pf satisfaction in building a diesel kit as one gets from building a steam loco ?

I welcome comments.

 

Keith

 

 

 

Yes, there is, as a straightforward answer to your question. I get as much satisfaction building the kit (above top) or significantly modifying, (Cl 24 below), as I do from steam motive power modelling. 

[Tony Wright]

11 hours ago, micklner said:

Tony

Info from RCTS Pt2a  the Front Coal plate was made vertical from August 1952.

Nothing mentioned therein re any Plating alterations to ex GNR Design Tenders at any time . I could'nt find any relevant photos.

 

cheers

 

Mick

Thanks Mick,

 

Regarding the extra plating to some of the GNR eight-wheeled tenders, I've never seen any reference to it, anywhere. 

 

I surely can't be the only one to have ever noticed it.

 

Some examples..............

 

 

Extended plating. 

 

Every picture of HUMORIST I've seen shows this type of tender.

 

 

Extended plating.

 

 

More common, open rails to the rear of the bunker.

 

 

Extended plating.

 

 

Extended plating.

 

 

More common.

 

 

More common.

 

On every A3 I've built with a GNR tender, I've always picked a loco with the 'normal' rails.

 

Has anyone ever modelled the extended plating type? I've never seen one.

 

Regards,

 

Tony.

 

 

[Chamby]

Humorist had the same tender from 1929 right through to scrapping, and early (1930’s) photo’s show the same feature, so it was possibly present at construction rather than a later modification.

 

It should be possible to use Yeadon’s and available photo’s to identify the tender numbers carrying the extended plating, and follow the records of which locomotives they were attached to at any given time.

[Clive Mortimore]

On 13/07/2022 at 23:29, Keith Turbutt said:

 

Short of scratch building I don't think it's possible to avoid RTR diesels to represent the steam/diesel era(?).

 

 

Is there the same amount pf satisfaction in building a diesel kit as one gets from building a steam loco ?

I welcome comments.

 

Tony I hope you don't mind me mentioning this on here as it is primarily a steam orientated thread which I always enjoy reading.

 

Keith

 

Hi Keith,

 

As a model maker of many aspects of model railways I get satisfaction from scratchbuilding a point lever from a bit of wire and some plastic card as I do a diesel locomotive. Not over keen on kits as many need to be corrected. Really enjoy converting or cutting and shutting RTR stuff. I equally get personal fulfillment watching what I have built and RTR running on my layout.

 

As for the same satisfaction from building a diesel or a steam loco, depends on your modelling interest. Would someone making a model of Barrow in Furness in the 1960s get a greater buzz from completing an LNER A3 pacific as they would a Metro-Vic type 2 Co-Bo?

 

A pair of nearly completed plastic card Co-Bos

[john new]

Reference the question is there equal satisfaction from building a diesel rather than a steam loco?, I think if you are building something, at whatever your building skill level, the answer is yes, what the subject is does not really matter, diesel, steam, building, even a bit of track, finishing it (hopefully well enough) is satisfying; even more so if you have managed to complete it to a better standard than you have previously achieved.

 

If we turn that around the completed kit that so far is giving me the most dissatisfaction (I can't get it to run well) happens to be diesel, but that is not because it is a diesel but because either the kit's design or my workmanship was faulty. I do return to it from time to time and hopefully I will eventually either find out what is wrong with it (as designed) or make the necessary mod to make it work acceptably. I think it is a twofold problem lack of weight and some flexing due to the etched chassis being too flimsy. When/if I do get it running acceptably then due to overcoming the issues arguably it will be a more satisfying outcome than if it had been just a shake the box and glue type kit.

 

Edited July 15, 2022 by john new
Rewording for clarity

[Woodcock29]

3 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Thanks Mick,

 

Regarding the extra plating to some of the GNR eight-wheeled tenders, I've never seen any reference to it, anywhere. 

 

I surely can't be the only one to have ever noticed it.

 

Some examples..............

 

 

Extended plating. 

 

Every picture of HUMORIST I've seen shows this type of tender.

 

 

Extended plating.

 

 

More common, open rails to the rear of the bunker.

 

 

Extended plating.

 

 

Extended plating.

 

 

More common.

 

 

More common.

 

On every A3 I've built with a GNR tender, I've always picked a loco with the 'normal' rails.

 

Has anyone ever modelled the extended plating type? I've never seen one.

 

Regards,

 

Tony.

 

 

Yes I have Tony. Can't show you the evidence at the moment as I'm away in Queensland until end of next week. A number of my LNER A1s and BR A3s have had their coal rail tenders modified in this manner. Maybe too many actually. I've been meaning to go back and check photos now I have acquired more books and of course the range of photos on websites is continually expanding.

Andrew

Edited July 15, 2022 by Woodcock29
Typo

[grahame]

On 13/07/2022 at 23:29, Keith Turbutt said:

 

Is there the same amount pf satisfaction in building a diesel kit as one gets from building a steam loco ?

I welcome comments.

 

 

 

Surely any satisfaction is derived from the creative modelling activity, so why would the subject matter? But in terms of preference I'd not choose either steam or diesel, and would select electric traction, either loco or multiple unit for railway subjects, although currently my next kit building projects are a 1/350 Warspite battleship, a 1/48 Eagle transporter spaceship and a 1/9 C21 emperor dalek.

 

 

[Barry Ten]

3 minutes ago, grahame said:

 

Surely any satisfaction is derived from the creative modelling activity, so why would the subject matter? But in terms of preference I'd not choose either steam or diesel, and would select electric traction, either loco or multiple unit for railway subjects, although currently my next kit building projects are a 1/350 Warspite battleship, a 1/48 Eagle transporter spaceship and a 1/9 C21 emperor dalek.

 

 

 

I built the 1/48 Eagle too, Grahame. It was very satisfying!

 

[Keith Turbutt]

46 minutes ago, grahame said:

 

Surely any satisfaction is derived from the creative modelling activity, so why would the subject matter? 

 

 

  

Hi Grahame,

 

I am in complete agreement with you and others who have commented ie that anything creative is worthwhile and satisfying.

Perhaps I phrased my question badly. What I was really asking was ' Assuming it is more complex is there more satisfaction in building and researching a steam loco and once completed seeing all the moving parts working rather than building a mainline diesel loco where there is little visible movement, shunters excluded, and for mainline locos at least, constructing a box like body.

 

That is not to say that I don't enjoy diesels having lived through the steam /diesel era.

 

Keith