Tony Wright Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 (edited) 9 hours ago, Tony Wright said: Tomorrow, I'll post some shots of locos I should have said an emphatic NO to. Why can't I take my own advice? Fear not, these are not from the current collection................ These didn't have proper current collection! Duplicate post - I don't know why........... Edited April 4 by Tony Wright Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 8 hours ago, Tony Wright said: Good afternoon Chas, When you next see me, and I appear to be in deep conversation, please make your presence known. Mo is always telling me that I should look around more, and see those who might be patiently waiting. Then (tactfully?) say to those with whom I'm in conversation for some time that there are others. It is difficult, though I need to be more aware. This year, it's my perception that York was busier than ever; quite rightly so. To me, it's a 'far superior' show to Ally Pally. By that I mean it's much more of a modellers' show, particularly with regard to the trade support. If I'm wrong, please put me right, but was any trader at Ally Pally selling wheels, gearboxes, motors, loco kits, carriage kits, fittings and all the necessary bits and pieces to complete models? York doesn't really have 'box-shifters' as well. Granted, the layouts at Ally Pally will be as good as anywhere and it's wonderfully well-organised. However, parking is no longer free, I believe. To me, York is still one of the best shows in the calendar; it really caters for those who actually 'make things', and need all the bits to do so (similar ones are the likes of Aylesbury and Wells, as well as the Society shows; there are others). Yes, the ex-GC RU I had on display was the 3D-printed one . Nobody has told me yet that it's wrong! Regards, Tony. I agree. The York show was excellent. Sorry I didn’t get to say hello during the day. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullie Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 4 hours ago, grob1234 said: Similar to parents evening, Sir just needs to allow 5 minutes per person. Once time is up (Mo would be an excellent time keeper) the person would be escorted away. Easy?! The 5 minute rule at parents evening doesn't work, that is why many staff are there long after closing time. Fortunately, no longer my problem........usually! Martyn 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted April 4 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4 (edited) 5 hours ago, Compound2632 said: A hand-bell would be effective. Or one of those children's wooden whistles that the preservation groups sell (just kidding). An egg timer (Easter egg, of course, at York) would do nicely. You/Mo could adjust the setting according to whether you thought the next protagonist was or was not likely to be worth spending time with... Edited April 4 by St Enodoc further suggestion 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 8 hours ago, robertcwp said: I agree. The York show was excellent. Sorry I didn’t get to say hello during the day. Good morning Robert, I saw you (with Sandra) watching Grantham at the front, but I was in deep conversation with someone at the south end of the fiddle yard, then had to take something upstairs, and by the time I returned, you'd both gone. Sorry we missed each other. Regards, Tony. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted April 4 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4 10 hours ago, mullie said: The 5 minute rule at parents evening doesn't work, that is why many staff are there long after closing time. Fortunately, no longer my problem........usually! Martyn Our school has started (or rather continued after covid) online video call parent evenings. Works very well, you get a 9 minute slot, and after 8 minutes a red box appears with a count-down, and bang on 9 minutes you get cut off. Then the teacher gets one minute to get ready for the next one. Perhaps a red-amber-green system like they used at Live-Aid? Then when it goes red, the floor revolves for the next person to appear? 🤓 5 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Sim Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 On 03/04/2024 at 07:04, Tony Wright said: What a fantastic event the York Show was over the Easter weekend. Brilliant, one of the best in the calendar. May I please thank the organisers, all the exhibitors, all those with whom I spoke and, most especially, those who donated to CRUK, either because of my fixing their models, direct donations or material donations? Mo and I made over £260.00 for the charity (who suggested Yorkshire folk were parsimonious? Whoever it was, they're dead wrong!). Speaking of Mo........... Here she is behind my display, checking all the monies (without her diligence, everything would be a muddle - as is always the case when she's not with me). My most-grateful thanks. I had little chance to photograph anything........... Though Andy Ross' incredible workshop in 7mm was a must. Bob Dawson always has something new to show, and this year it was this OO9 micro layout. His grandson, Scott Waterfield............. Showed how a magazine cover free hut could be made into a lovely model. I put some of Peter Lawson's locos up for sale......... This Gibson 'Austin Seven' sold, though for no more than the current price of the kit. This Little Engines O4/3, however, didn't. Neither did this DJH Crab. Since Peter used prototype references, I must conclude that someone had cleaned the '3' on the cabside. I'll be putting pictures on here soon of many more of his locos I'm trying to sell. All run beautifully. Tony is the O4/3 suitable for DCC? I’ve been on the hunt for an O4 that could pull one of my heavy trains… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 19 hours ago, grob1234 said: Similar to parents evening, Sir just needs to allow 5 minutes per person. Once time is up (Mo would be an excellent time keeper) the person would be escorted away. Easy?! Escorted away, never to be seen again. I have a mind's eye vision of the necessary "escorts" clad entirely in black: overalls, boots, and SAS style Balaclavas... Edited April 4 by gr.king 4 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grob1234 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 15 minutes ago, gr.king said: Escorted away, never to be seen again. I have a mind's eye vision of the necessary "escorts" clad entirely in black: overalls, boots, and SAS style Balaclavas... Especially if they're 'into' DCC or say 'sat' instead of 'sitting' etc. 1 1 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted April 4 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 4 I've been going through the Peter Lawson locos, bit by bit. One thing which was disappointing about the Pro-Scale B1 from the collection was its inability to pull anything but the lightest trains (it really struggled with the empty stock rake I put behind it). So, I lifted the lid..................... To find this interesting drive arrangement; very smooth, quiet and, potentially, very-powerful, but not without weight (it's a pity Pro-Scale appears to have designed the motion using the Roche drawing, with its too short eccentric rod (a mistake initially made by Comet). Having just built a Pro-Scale B1, I was surprised to find this one has a brass boiler (mine was cast metal - a later kit?). There was no ballast, but now it's packed with lead, and, so equipped, happily romped away with a full-length, kit-built train this morning. 19 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted April 4 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 4 (edited) I mentioned yesterday my inability to take my own advice................ Can you sell this, please, with donations to charity? It's an old Wills kit, mounted on a Tri-ang Jinty chassis, fitted with Romford wheels. It's had a replacement five-pole motor, but it was wired the opposite polarity to convention. On test, it stuttered a lot. Rather a lot! Though nominally 'live-to-one-side', the rear drivers were both insulated, meaning it was picking up as an 0-5-0! It was encrusted with muck! So, after an evening's 'entertainment', punctuated with blasphemous language in the extreme, it now works quite well. What might it be worth now? I'll have it with me at the Cotgrave show (Bingham club) over the weekend, if anyone is interested (I'll be on my own, so please keep monies simple). The next one was rather more-promising - until I investigated more-fully after some 'twiddling' at York............. This is what it looks like now after almost half a day's work on it.............. It had no front numberplate nor a vacuum standpipe. It has now. The pick-ups were hopeless (it's a dead chassis), appearing to be made from 1mm wire, none of which was making good contact. It has a new set of pick-ups now. There was no clearance for the pony because the whole thing was nose-heavy, with the front frames resting on the pony wheels. It's now been sorted. The tender's brake gear was bent and loose. It's 'sort of' sorted now. It's beam-compensated, but a fair bit of tweaking was necessary to obtain smooth-running; it's very smooth now, with a chunky Mashima driving through a Comet two-stage 'box which the builder fitted. It has no brakes (because of the compensation?). It's very well-painted, but it was chipped/scuffed in places, which I've now tidied up. After yesterday's efforts, I put it back together....................... And away she went, hauling this full-length express fish train with absolute ease. A decent enough 'layout loco' now? I've said before, our contribution to CRUK is our time (we don't actually donate any money ourselves), but I occasionally wonder how cost-effective it is. At my 'rate of pay' per hour, this would add over £75.00 to the cost of this loco, meaning it just wouldn't be worth it on a commercial basis for a model like this. Material costs - kit, plus the bits to complete it? Over £250.00? That's without paying for it to be built and painted. No, just not viable in a way, but I'd get very little for it as it was. Comments welcome, please............ I should add that, apart from the need of the odd tweak, clean and oil, all of Peter Lawson's locos run beautifully. Neither of the above is his work. Edited April 4 by Tony Wright to add something 16 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chas Levin Posted April 4 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4 20 hours ago, gr.king said: You'd need to carefully avoid the opposite extreme Tony, as I experienced at Spalding. Shortly after I'd waited patiently for an opportunity to sit down and start a conversation with you, somebody considerably less patient and polite appeared behind me and immediately started a loud, prolonged, forceful / enthusiastic exchange with you in total disregard of the conversation that I'd been attempting to conduct. As I wasn't 100% well at the time I couldn't be bothered to point out the extreme rudeness of the new arrival. I gave up and departed instead... That sounds like another welcome opportunity Graeme to celebrate the wonderful diversity of human behaviour... with perhaps some diverse language too! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted April 4 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4 12 hours ago, St Enodoc said: Or one of those children's wooden whistles that the preservation groups sell (just kidding). An egg timer (Easter egg, of course, at York) would do nicely. You/Mo could adjust the setting according to whether you thought the next protagonist was or was not likely to be worth spending time with... A former boss of mine, who had a sense of humour, had a timer that resembled a small model of a friesian cow; he would set it at say, 10 minutes, at which point it would "moo" so loudly that everyone forgot what they were saying or thinking, and meetings ended or were moved on as he determinded. Thoroughly recommended! Tony 4 3 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffer Davies Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 8 hours ago, Jesse Sim said: Tony is the O4/3 suitable for DCC? I’ve been on the hunt for an O4 that could pull one of my heavy trains… The only models that are unsuitable (without significant modification at least) to convert to DCC are locos where one or both of the motor’s brushes are earthed directly to the chassis. The models I know to have such motors are the Hornby Dublo, Triang Rovex, K’s and Mainline split frame locos. Any motor where the terminals are (or can be) isolated from the frames can be operated under DCC so I would expect the O4/3 to be suitable. Frank 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 (edited) 12 hours ago, Chuffer Davies said: The only models that are unsuitable (without significant modification at least) to convert to DCC are locos where one or both of the motor’s brushes are earthed directly to the chassis. The models I know to have such motors are the Hornby Dublo, Triang Rovex, K’s and Mainline split frame locos. Any motor where the terminals are (or can be) isolated from the frames can be operated under DCC so I would expect the O4/3 to be suitable. Frank Good evening Frank, We've been here before........... D11 and D13 open-framed motors have one brush live to the motor frame. The O4/3 Jesse expressed an interest in has a Mashima can motor, where both brushes are insulated. Regards, Tony. Edited April 5 by Tony Wright typo error Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Sim Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Chuffer Davies said: The only models that are unsuitable (without significant modification at least) to convert to DCC are locos where one or both of the motor’s brushes are earthed directly to the chassis. The models I know to have such motors are the Hornby Dublo, Triang Rovex, K’s and Mainline split frame locos. Any motor where the terminals are (or can be) isolated from the frames can be operated under DCC so I would expect the O4/3 to be suitable. Frank I know most motors can be DCC’d, but I was hoping for a quick turn around on the model to get it straight into traffic. Lazy? Perhaps… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted April 4 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4 On 03/04/2024 at 13:23, Mark Laidlay said: So did any early British railways use double compound as the name? A (late) friend of mine used to call them double compounds. He was British (Welsh to be specific) and a railwayman, but not a permanent way man. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted April 4 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4 5 hours ago, Chuffer Davies said: Hornby Dublo, Triang Rovex, K’s and Mainline split frame locos Can't speak for HD or K's but insulating both brushes on a Tri-ang X03 or X04 is simplicity itself - just add a sleeve to uninsulated side of the brush spring so both sides are insulated. Mainline (and other) split frame chassis are not too difficult. Separate the two halves of the chassis enough to solder the orange and grey decoder leads to the motor terminals and also to clamp small pieces of copperclad sleeper strip facing opposite ways between the two halves when reassembled, to which you solder the red and black decoder wires. 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 (edited) 7 hours ago, St Enodoc said: Can't speak for HD or K's but insulating both brushes on a Tri-ang X03 or X04 is simplicity itself - just add a sleeve to uninsulated side of the brush spring so both sides are insulated. Mainline (and other) split frame chassis are not too difficult. Separate the two halves of the chassis enough to solder the orange and grey decoder leads to the motor terminals and also to clamp small pieces of copperclad sleeper strip facing opposite ways between the two halves when reassembled, to which you solder the red and black decoder wires. Good morning John, K's motors, whether they be Mk.1, Mk. 2 or HP2M all had both brushes insulated at source. For a 'live' chassis, one just bent the tab on one of the brushes of the Mk.1 or 2 downwards to make contact with the motor frame. 50 tears ago, I used K's motors, but I never got any to run properly (though the HP2Ms made very realistic smoke!). Hornby Dublo's (earlier, vertical) motors were literally part of the chassis (if replacement were needed, it was the armature), with only one brush insulated. Not only was a 3-rail loco 'live to one side' - in fact, 'live to both sides', but (in tinplate days, with all metal wheels) also its whole train. No Hornby Dublo train I ran ever failed because of poor pick-ups. Regards, Tony. Edited April 5 by Tony Wright to add something 2 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibateg Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 If I remember it correctly, the early Proscale B1's had the brass boiler. Later ones had a cast whitemetal one, which as I recall was slightly too long... I unfortunately had one of the later ones... Great to see you and Mo at the York show Tony. There were plenty of excellent layouts, and I spent a lot of time watching my absolute favourite: South Pelaw... Regards Tony 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jesse Sim Posted April 5 Popular Post Share Posted April 5 Good old fashioned “why are you building this when you could have bought one from Hornby”. Back in 2020 I took a delivery from Mr King, containing some resin conflats and one of his W1 conversions. I got on with the build but never finished her- I had to buy a SEF tender to suit as I was under the impression it was a specially made one for her, not realising it was streamlined corridor tender. Then came the Hornby announcement, I immediately ordered the W1 in original condition but I decided I wanted to finish the rebuilt project. More years went and I can finally say she’s nearing completion. The tender is from a Hornby Bittern model, I need to remove the tender over head wires warning markers, and the non corridor tender that was from the W1’s donor A4 will go behind Bittern to become 4903 Peregrine. I’ve never seen 4903 modelled and being an avid fan of Tolkien (Peregrin (Pippin) Took) it was a no brainer, even if the spelling is different. I tried to use as much of the original parts from the donor A4 and I also tried to not lost too much lining…which I don’t think I’ve accomplished. I’m hoping to patch paint her and weather her to blend it together, the curved lining is already giving me nightmares….I have a K3 to do as well. Shes not perfect and definitely not in the same league as the Hornby 10000 but she’s mine, can’t wait to get her painted. 26 10 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Impressive sausagery. 2 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Sim Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 13 minutes ago, jwealleans said: Impressive sausagery. I knew you’d like my sausage Edited April 5 by Jesse Sim 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 4 hours ago, dibateg said: If I remember it correctly, the early Proscale B1's had the brass boiler. Later ones had a cast whitemetal one, which as I recall was slightly too long... I unfortunately had one of the later ones... Great to see you and Mo at the York show Tony. There were plenty of excellent layouts, and I spent a lot of time watching my absolute favourite: South Pelaw... Regards Tony Thanks Tony, I puzzled over the Pro-Scale B1's boiler; the brass one is actually nearer the correct diameter/length at source than the cast metal one. It was great to see you again - we must really get over to where I used to play cricket all those years ago - Llani, Caersws (where both Nick (?) and Gwil (?) deposited one each of my balls into the Severn!), Newtown, Montgomery, Welshpool, Guilsfield (where I took five for five in 15 overs!), Knockin (where I took five wickets and hit the winning run), Oswestry, Whittington (where I took one of my four hat-tricks), Baschurch and many grounds in Shrewsbury and Telford. At Shelton Hospital (in Shrewsbury), the inmates often asked if they could come home with us! Regards, Tony. 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted April 5 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 5 I know a picture can be 'posed'. However, Just to prove to Jesse Sim (who's buying this loco) that this O4/3 just played with 40 wagons (some white metal). In fact, all of Peter Lawson's locos so far are more than capable of easily shifting prototype-length trains (even the Pro-Scale B1, now it's packed with lead). I'm tempted to buy one or two for myself; including........... This Little Engines O4/8; I suppose I better had, having changed the pony wheels to the correct number of spokes type, fitted a lamp and glazed the spectacles. And installed a crew and fireirons. Of all the many locos so far I've checked, this was the only one which didn't run as well as expected. It grinded along, then the motor just spun. On investigation, the gearwheel grub-screw had become loose, and the wheel was no longer centred. Less than a couple of minutes' adjustment, a tightening of the grub-screw, and now she's fine. It makes an interesting comparison with............. The O4/8 I cobbled together from various bits and pieces last year. This Austerity below ran fine without any need of tweaking................ Built from a DJH kit, the only thing I've had to do is find a replacement for the nearside front buffer (which had got knocked off, somehow). Having masses of spares has its uses! It 'suffers' in comparison with later-built Austerities in only having etched overlays to represent the characteristic driving wheels. With the correct depth/relief to the inside. Nonetheless, 90147 performs faultlessly. It's for sale, and I'm asking £150.00 for it; anyone interested, please PM me. Speaking of 90147, being Mold Junction-allocated (6B), it's one I saw regularly, as I did the Gorton-allocated O4s built by Peter. In fact, most of his locos (built to be representative of the Chester/Wirral area) invoke nostalgia in me - I saw all of them! By next week, I'll be posting pictures of the Lawson locos for sale - ex-LMS and BR Standards this time. There are some rather nice ex-GWR and ex-LMS carriages as well................ 19 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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