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[Iain.d]

I thought I’d show where I am up to with a SECR 5 Compartment Brake First Saloon I’ve had on the go for a couple of months. The main components (sides, ends, floor) are Worsley Works etches, the bogies are Comet Models SR 8ft, the interior is made from plastic card and bits and pieces (seats and partition doors) left over from previously built kits. The roof is scratch built from plastic card. All the main parts have been painted with the body finished in an etch primer, ready for the Southern green top coat and transfers.

 

 

The roof is a second attempt; I wasn’t happy with the first one I did as it had too many ripples in its surface. This one is made in the same manner but I used thinner card for the curved part, more ribs to support it and was less generous with the liquid poly. This one isn’t perfect but it’s okay; depending on how it catches the light it does have a few gentle ripples but nothing worth writing home about.

 

 

With the interior, I’ve done quite basic painting as very little can be seen once the roof is fitted. I’m unsure exactly what the colours were so I have done it with a general southern feel, that said there probably aren’t too many people around who would know. The saloon area will need some casual chairs.

 

 

Given the ‘plainness’ of the etches, I’ve added handrails, lamp irons, electrical connectors, alarm gear, identification plates, vacuum and steam heat pipes and additional brake gear detail, both underneath and on the brake end. I’ll fold up some paper for the corridor connector at the non-brake end and then I think it has gone as far as I can take it.

 

Kind regards,

 

Iain

[Tony Teague]

Superb work Iain!

[MJI]

2 hours ago, Iain.d said:

I thought I’d show where I am up to with a SECR 5 Compartment Brake First Saloon I’ve had on the go for a couple of months. The main components (sides, ends, floor) are Worsley Works etches, the bogies are Comet Models SR 8ft, the interior is made from plastic card and bits and pieces (seats and partition doors) left over from previously built kits. The roof is scratch built from plastic card. All the main parts have been painted with the body finished in an etch primer, ready for the Southern green top coat and transfers.

 

 

The roof is a second attempt; I wasn’t happy with the first one I did as it had too many ripples in its surface. This one is made in the same manner but I used thinner card for the curved part, more ribs to support it and was less generous with the liquid poly. This one isn’t perfect but it’s okay; depending on how it catches the light it does have a few gentle ripples but nothing worth writing home about.

 

 

With the interior, I’ve done quite basic painting as very little can be seen once the roof is fitted. I’m unsure exactly what the colours were so I have done it with a general southern feel, that said there probably aren’t too many people around who would know. The saloon area will need some casual chairs.

 

 

Given the ‘plainness’ of the etches, I’ve added handrails, lamp irons, electrical connectors, alarm gear, identification plates, vacuum and steam heat pipes and additional brake gear detail, both underneath and on the brake end. I’ll fold up some paper for the corridor connector at the non-brake end and then I think it has gone as far as I can take it.

 

Kind regards,

 

Iain

 

Is that the same family as the brake third at KWVR?

 

And how do you make the roofs as it is effective and holding its shape?

[Iain.d]

9 hours ago, MJI said:

 

Is that the same family as the brake third at KWVR?

 

And how do you make the roofs as it is effective and holding its shape?

 

Hi Martin,

 

I’m not sure if it’s the same family as the KWVR one. The type I’ve built were referred to as ‘Continentals’ as I think the vertical planking on the sides was similar to European vehicles of the time and they were used pretty much exclusively on the continental boat trains.

 

The description below is much easier to do than describe, I probably should have taken some photos but I didn’t think anyone would be interested!

 

To secure the roof to the carriage body, the body has three brass cross members added, each drilled with a hole to take a self-tapping M1.6x8mm screw.

 

The base of the roof is made from .75mm/30 thou plastic card that is cut exactly to length to sit between the ends and is wide enough so it sits on top of the sides. I cut 17 cross braces / ribs / joists (I’m not sure the right name) from .75mm plastic card and filed them to the shape of the end profile. I then attached the first three, one at each end and the one in the middle. The remaining 14 were then evenly spread between the two sides; there’s about 1.5cm between each upright. I tried to position them, taking into account where the roof vents would need to be. Then when that was all dry, I drilled a hole just off the centreline of the flat roof of what would become each compartment of the roof when the cover was on, to allow for glue vapour venting and expansion. I cut short lengths of 8mm diameter styrene rod and drilled them centrally, to accept the self-tappers, and then glued them over the holes where the screws would go.

 

I then cut individual lengths of 2mm styrene rod and filed them to fit between each apex of a pair of braces / ribs / joists. The purpose of this was to try and reduce the likelihood of the curved plastic cover sinking or settling between the ribs and causing ripples – which is what happened on the first roof I did. It also ensured the whole roof remained flat and made the frame hold its shape.

 

For the curved cover I used .25mm plastic card, cutting it oversize by 1mm prior to fitting (only so there’s less waste and less to tidy up at the end). I secured one side to the base side of the roof and let it dry, then over a few sessions rolled the base of the roof onto the cover a little at a time, against a piece of glass, securing it with liquid poly as I went. On my original roof I used liquid poly gel (Revell Contacta) which took a while to dry and I think stressed the cover to cause ripples. For this one I used Mig Ammo Night Blue cement so you can see where capillary action draws the liquid, it dries in seconds and I didn’t worry if the curved plastic card wasn’t secured to the rib along its whole length – only where the curved cover naturally bought them into contact. I used finger pressure while it dried rather than weights (books) so I was far more gentle. I secured the remaining side, let it dry and cut the excess off with a scalpel. I added rain strips and cantrails from .25mm x .5mm strip. So the roof overhangs each side by .5mm (.25mm for the cantrail and .25mm for the curved cover) which looks prototypical. Given the thinness of the curved roof I took care when drilling and fitting the vents.

 

Below are a couple of images as it is completed, you’ll note the brush painting under the cantrail is not that neat and you can see some blue dye from the cement and the overspray…..

 

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Iain

Edited March 30 by Iain.d
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[jwealleans]

21 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

where the locos are now is anyone's guess. One or two might be on Grantham, which will be running at York over the Easter weekend.

 

2548 Galtee More and 2577 Night Hawk are now mine and will certainly be on Grantham.   2550 Tracery now belongs to Graham Nicholas and can also be seen. 

 

I did acquire a couple of A4s from Tom, but 4901 was not one of them and I can't say where that one ended up.

 

 

[LNER4479]

44 minutes ago, jwealleans said:

2548 Galtee More and 2577 Night Hawk are now mine and will certainly be on Grantham.   2550 Tracery now belongs to Graham Nicholas and can also be seen. 

 

I think you'll find JW that 2550 is Blink Bonny and is ALSO on the Grantham roster!

 

Here's Galtee More in the classic platform end viewpoint at Grantham. If nothing else, a gratuitous plug for this weekend's York show 😃

 

[Northmoor]

2 hours ago, LNER4479 said:

 

Here's Galtee More in the classic platform end viewpoint at Grantham. If nothing else, a gratuitous plug for this weekend's York show 😃

 

Another, "That can't be 4mm scale, surely?" shot.

[MJI]

8 hours ago, Iain.d said:

 

Hi Martin,

 

I’m not sure if it’s the same family as the KWVR one. The type I’ve built were referred to as ‘Continentals’ as I think the vertical planking on the sides was similar to European vehicles of the time and they were used pretty much exclusively on the continental boat trains.

 

The description below is much easier to do than describe, I probably should have taken some photos but I didn’t think anyone would be interested!

 

To secure the roof to the carriage body, the body has three brass cross members added, each drilled with a hole to take a self-tapping M1.6x8mm screw.

 

The base of the roof is made from .75mm/30 thou plastic card that is cut exactly to length to sit between the ends and is wide enough so it sits on top of the sides. I cut 17 cross braces / ribs / joists (I’m not sure the right name) from .75mm plastic card and filed them to the shape of the end profile. I then attached the first three, one at each end and the one in the middle. The remaining 14 were then evenly spread between the two sides; there’s about 1.5cm between each upright. I tried to position them, taking into account where the roof vents would need to be. Then when that was all dry, I drilled a hole just off the centreline of the flat roof of what would become each compartment of the roof when the cover was on, to allow for glue vapour venting and expansion. I cut short lengths of 8mm diameter styrene rod and drilled them centrally, to accept the self-tappers, and then glued them over the holes where the screws would go.

 

I then cut individual lengths of 2mm styrene rod and filed them to fit between each apex of a pair of braces / ribs / joists. The purpose of this was to try and reduce the likelihood of the curved plastic cover sinking or settling between the ribs and causing ripples – which is what happened on the first roof I did. It also ensured the whole roof remained flat and made the frame hold its shape.

 

For the curved cover I used .25mm plastic card, cutting it oversize by 1mm prior to fitting (only so there’s less waste and less to tidy up at the end). I secured one side to the base side of the roof and let it dry, then over a few sessions rolled the base of the roof onto the cover a little at a time, against a piece of glass, securing it with liquid poly as I went. On my original roof I used liquid poly gel (Revell Contacta) which took a while to dry and I think stressed the cover to cause ripples. For this one I used Mig Ammo Night Blue cement so you can see where capillary action draws the liquid, it dries in seconds and I didn’t worry if the curved plastic card wasn’t secured to the rib along its whole length – only where the curved cover naturally bought them into contact. I used finger pressure while it dried rather than weights (books) so I was far more gentle. I secured the remaining side, let it dry and cut the excess off with a scalpel. I added rain strips and cantrails from .25mm x .5mm strip. So the roof overhangs each side by .5mm (.25mm for the cantrail and .25mm for the curved cover) which looks prototypical. Given the thinness of the curved roof I took care when drilling and fitting the vents.

 

Below are a couple of images as it is completed, you’ll note the brush painting under the cantrail is not that neat and you can see some blue dye from the cement and the overspray…..

 

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Iain

Very useful.

 

Continental so it is.

 

http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=490

 

I have ridden in it, many years ago on a s and c merrymaker

 

[John Besley]

3 hours ago, LNER4479 said:

I think you'll find JW that 2550 is Blink Bonny and is ALSO on the Grantham roster!

 

Here's Galtee More in the classic platform end viewpoint at Grantham. If nothing else, a gratuitous plug for this weekend's York show 😃

 

 

With a bit of photoshoping to remove the background ...that would be so realistic ... 

[Mallard60022]

Tony and Co.

I'm sure you are aware of this Engine's latest status? Not my photo; few more elsewhere on a Thread in 'Preservation'.

It sounds magnificent.

Phil

 

[Mallard60022]

On 29/03/2024 at 13:02, Iain.d said:

I thought I’d show where I am up to with a SECR 5 Compartment Brake First Saloon I’ve had on the go for a couple of months. The main components (sides, ends, floor) are Worsley Works etches, the bogies are Comet Models SR 8ft, the interior is made from plastic card and bits and pieces (seats and partition doors) left over from previously built kits. The roof is scratch built from plastic card. All the main parts have been painted with the body finished in an etch primer, ready for the Southern green top coat and transfers.

 

 

The roof is a second attempt; I wasn’t happy with the first one I did as it had too many ripples in its surface. This one is made in the same manner but I used thinner card for the curved part, more ribs to support it and was less generous with the liquid poly. This one isn’t perfect but it’s okay; depending on how it catches the light it does have a few gentle ripples but nothing worth writing home about.

 

 

With the interior, I’ve done quite basic painting as very little can be seen once the roof is fitted. I’m unsure exactly what the colours were so I have done it with a general southern feel, that said there probably aren’t too many people around who would know. The saloon area will need some casual chairs.

 

 

Given the ‘plainness’ of the etches, I’ve added handrails, lamp irons, electrical connectors, alarm gear, identification plates, vacuum and steam heat pipes and additional brake gear detail, both underneath and on the brake end. I’ll fold up some paper for the corridor connector at the non-brake end and then I think it has gone as far as I can take it.

 

Kind regards,

 

Iain

Lovely Ian. Worsley etches are really good quality...well the ones I've had have been.

Sometimes with Ends and a Floor/Part U.F. 

Your additional parts are superb here and cunning use of Comet Bogies.

Phil 

[MJI]

13 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said:

Lovely Ian. Worsley etches are really good quality...well the ones I've had have been.

Sometimes with Ends and a Floor/Part U.F. 

Your additional parts are superb here and cunning use of Comet Bogies.

Phil 

Brings back memories of KWVR visit in 1980s

[westernviscount]

A classic ratio kit given a bit of attention. Thought some folks might be interested. Happy Easter everyone. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 30 by westernviscount

[1471SirFrederickBanbury]

13 hours ago, Northmoor said:

Another, "That can't be 4mm scale, surely?" shot.

The only main giveaways are the Hornby stamped valve gear and 00 wheels.  Truly, a magnificent sight to behold.

[Dave John]

I'd agree with the comments on Worsley Works etches and I do like the idea of getting a basic set of accurate etches at a sensible price and doing the rest myself. 

 

 

A CR D35 full brake  to illustrate the point. 

 

 

 

[Bucoops]

I must have been unlucky then as the Gresley 52'6 etches I bought from Worsley have the wrong end profile, and the sides too low. 🙁 However, the GER 50ft bodies and NER Clerestory roofs seem to be much better.

[John Besley]

9 hours ago, Mallard60022 said:

Tony and Co.

I'm sure you are aware of this Engine's latest status? Not my photo; few more elsewhere on a Thread in 'Preservation'.

It sounds magnificent.

Phil

 

How soon before we see a ER pacific line up A1, A2, A3 & A4... 

 

I expect Tony could oblige us with one

 

 

Edited March 31 by John Besley

[MJI]

I have a Worsely works DMU but I think the windows are slightly deep.

 

Got a GRCW 119 though.

[MJI]

Todays stuff.

 

Put the wheels on,  some binding on brakes.  Need to move blocks in slightly.

 

 

Two MCVs

 

 

[Mallard60022]

Ref. that Brake Van. Even just adding Dave Frank's Buffers to a Kit can enhance it by a good %age. Of course I probably need to check carefully which Buffers are OK but I have a basic Knowledge.

Phil

[1471SirFrederickBanbury]

12 hours ago, John Besley said:

 

How soon before we see a ER pacific line up A1, A2, A3 & A4... 

 

I expect Tony could oblige us with one

 

 

It would also be nice to have a Raven A2, but I have some slight doubts about Tony having any.

[MJI]

They are too soft, upping to 5 second exposures tomorrow.

[john new]

From the York Show - A lost property update: late on this afternoon we had a pack of loco building fitments handed in. Despite announcing it they were unclaimed at the end of the day. If you think they may be yours PM me a description and we can arrange to post them on. 
 

Apologies for the cross post but given the specialist nature of the items the purchaser may well be a reader of this thread. 
 

Edited March 31 by john new

[Ian Rathbone]

I’m building a Cambrian Railways Mutton Van in 7mm, based on a Worsley works body sitting on a modified LNW 6 wheel chassis. There are ten doors each side and the middle hinges were in the wrong position so I had to cut 20 new slots. The holes for the LH door handles were in the wrong place and there were no holes for the RH handles. The floor had fold-up edges to fix to the sides but they fouled the lower hinge positions so had to be cut off. Otherwise it was ok.

 

I don’t know how I got dragged in to this - it’s the first bit of rolling stock I’ve built for at least 20 years.

 

 

Ian R

[gr.king]

In view of the date today, I wasn't quite sure that a title quite as specific as a "mutton van", from Wales, would be a description of a genuine vehicle, or whether it might be akin to the "canary van" kit spoof from Wizard/51L circa 2019. No locker for wellies though...