Rob Pulham Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) I must have one, even though it has bloody duckets! Hi Sandy, I am one of those saddo's that really likes brake end coaches primarily for the duckets - I have to say that you have made a nice job of that one. I have one of Connoisseur's S&D full brakes with similar duckets to build. Edited January 26, 2013 by Rob Pulham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAD Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I have started the chassis and here it is in the Chassis jig P1060138.JPG This close up shows what kind of joint you can get using a torch rather than an iron. P1060139.JPG Sandy Sandy, I appreciate that the torch gives a nice joint, but what was the reason for using the torch as opposed to an iron? As far as I can see there is nothing outstanding about the result achieved, compared to what you would get with a good iron. Despite, the comments in one of the other replies about the heat sink effect of the frames and the brass bushes nearby, I don't believe this joint would have caused any problems for an Antex TCS (50watt). I use only thus iron for building anything from small tank locks to pacifics in o gauge without problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaby Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) Hello PAD I'm sure Sandy will reply but tossing my 2 pence worth in. I find my mini torch is most useful because it>> heats up VERY quickly is VERY neat leaving little if no smear unlike most irons will do is extremely precise is very easy to manipulate and position being a very light-weight item I don't do any where near as much soldering as Sandy but I do have a selection of tools being mini torch 15watt antex 30watt antex 200watt weller Resistance soldering unit For my use the most is #1 then #5 with the others getting some random useage more often not on modelling tasks. Try a torch mine is a B&Q £10 button press self ignite using lighter gas., you might find you have been missing out. If you have a spare £10 to try one I'd be interested in you oppion after. Regards Edited January 25, 2013 by Barnaby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel bat guano Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 And now for something completely different!! Here we go again! I was 'gifted' the sides and ends to this. DSCN6113.JPG In this photo I have extracted all the lower panels and lain them in their position on the sides. DSCN6112.JPG This is part of one side with the panels fitted. DSCN6118.JPG Bogie's by courtesy of WayOh DSCN6117.JPG A mention in dispatches to anyone who can identify the prototype. You should get this Mark!! Sandy Hello Sandy, I may be mistaken but i think your prototype could well be a Highland Railway passenger brake van to dia 64. Regards, Colonel Bat Guano. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 Well done Colonel Sir, you win the 'virtual biscuit'. I don't have a clue what the history of this etch is or who last produced it. It may have been part of the Home of 0 Gauge catalogue but that is pure conjecture on my part as it came from Redcraft who now own the remains of the HOOG catalogue. I have now put the sides and ends together, fitted a floor and detailed the ends. I will post a photo later. Are you a HR modeller? Kind regards Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 Hi PAD As Barnaby has said, the benefit, as far as I am concerned, is the lack of extraneous solder that is left after the joint is made. With a lot less cleaning up required. This is more obvious when making long seam joints or fitting laminates. I don't think it is 'better' that an iron just a different tool to achieve a better job in some cases. Regards Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel bat guano Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Well done Colonel Sir, you win the 'virtual biscuit'. I don't have a clue what the history of this etch is or who last produced it. It may have been part of the Home of 0 Gauge catalogue but that is pure conjecture on my part as it came from Redcraft who now own the remains of the HOOG catalogue. I have now put the sides and ends together, fitted a floor and detailed the ends. I will post a photo later. Are you a HR modeller? Kind regards Sandy Hello Sandy, I shall enjoy scoffing the virtual biscuit with a large mug of virtual tea! Yes i do like to model the HR and was somewhat surprised to see your etches as I was unaware that any had ever been produced. Kindest Regards, Colonel Bat Guano. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 Colonel Sir, This afternoon I found a line drawing of the coach in one of my files. It was attached to another drawing of a vertical planked version and I was right, it was a Mega Models product (etches only) When I test fitted the bogies to the floor I found that they were 3mm too high so I reduced the height by moving the pivot holes eitherside of the cross bolster. That of course ment that the wheels were touching the floor so I had to make a few cutouts! I am now awaiting a delivery from Metalsmiths with the solebars (Milled U Channel) and truss rodding All sitting correct now. REgards SAndy 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAD Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Hi PAD As Barnaby has said, the benefit, as far as I am concerned, is the lack of extraneous solder that is left after the joint is made. With a lot less cleaning up required. This is more obvious when making long seam joints or fitting laminates. I don't think it is 'better' that an iron just a different tool to achieve a better job in some cases. Regards Sandy Hello Sandy,thanks for the feed back (and Barnaby also). I see where you are coming from now. I can appreciate the value of having to spend less time cleaning up after the joint is made. Maybe I'll give one a try some time. Cheers, Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel bat guano Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Colonel Sir, This afternoon I found a line drawing of the coach in one of my files. It was attached to another drawing of a vertical planked version and I was right, it was a Mega Models product (etches only) When I test fitted the bogies to the floor I found that they were 3mm too high so I reduced the height by moving the pivot holes eitherside of the cross bolster. That of course ment that the wheels were touching the floor so I had to make a few cutouts! I am now awaiting a delivery from Metalsmiths with the solebars (Milled U Channel) and truss rodding All sitting correct now. P1060242.JPG P1060244.JPG P1060245.JPG REgards SAndy Hello Sandy, Tatlow's historic carriage drawings vol3 NPCS, has 2 photos of these vans but they are both later versions with vertically planked sides. One is also shown after conversion (rebuilt) by the LMS into a Beatties bread van. Regards, Colonel Bat Guano. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portchullin Tatty Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Sandy/Colonel Bat Guano I think the kit may have its origins in the Peter K 4mm version (which is still available via Kemilwayhttp://www.kemilway.com/peter-k.html but you may take root in the time it takes them to deliver orders..........). It is also available only as sides and ends? Is it likely that someone has blown up the artwork into 7mm? My father is working on a rework of Hunter's Carriages & Wagons of the Highland Railway at the moment. There is a target date for publication of Feb 2014 for the Glasgow show. Lots to do in advance though........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portchullin Tatty Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Yes i do like to model the HR and was somewhat surprised to see your etches as I was unaware that any had ever been produced. Colonel Bat Guano. Excellent; then there were three................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted January 27, 2013 Author Share Posted January 27, 2013 Hi Mark That is excellent news about your dad's new book. I will look forward to that in due course. Put me down for a signed copy please! The Peter K route sounds just about right. Kind regards Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 Dia 64 ready for the paint shops. Plain olive green I'm afraid as they were not introduced until after the Highland did away with the the white upper portions to their coaching stock. Sandy 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaby Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 How do you do it Sandy. That's remarkably quickly put together and is equisite to boot, it's not JLTRT but BTTRT. Great work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 Thanks Barnaby, I quite enjoy building the odd coach as a bit of a change. Not too many though!! Regards Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 As Barnaby says so quick. It looks great I do like these older panelled full brakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 As Barnaby says so quick. It looks great I do like these older panelled full brakes. (Almost)No windows or seats! My kind of coach! JF 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 (Almost)No windows or seats! My kind of coach! JF That's why it's so quick to build!! Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) And now for something completley different, again! I need a small locomotive for an industrial layout my friend and I are constructing. It will be at the Leigh Show at the end of April. When I saw the 'News' item in the Gazette for a 100hp Sentinel industrial 0-4-0 from Metior Models, at about £90, I thought I would take a punt and get one. It arrived the other day and I ordered the wheels, gearbox and motor to go with it. £140 in total. This is what you get in the very big box! There is also a page of written instructions, a hand drawn exploded diagrame and a photocopy of the etched parts wth identifying numbers.. Tim hughes identifies a drawing error in the fold up chassis which needs correcting. The bearing holes on one side need to be extended downwards by 1mm. I wanted to add a bit of springing to the rear bearings (the drive is designed to go on to the front axle) so my bearing holes need a have bit more done to them than normal. This photo shows the marking out and start of the filing This photo shows the amount , in mm, by which I needed to extend the bearing holes. The set of 4 axle bearings were not quite a matching set! I don't think this wll be a major issue. It will probably just mean a washer less on that side. Sandy Edited February 15, 2013 by Sandy Harper 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asa Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I'm thinking about one of these myself Sandy,so I'll be following closely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) Looks very interesting Sandy. All in all a very cheap way to get a nice little loco in 0 gauge. Edited February 15, 2013 by N15class Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 Yes Peter, who said 0 gauge was expensive! Hi Asa, I have built a bit more of it and although there are a couple of issues, they are not insurmountable. More to follow when I get the time to post. Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 As you will already have gathered the chassis is a fold up inverted U shape. It is very important to ensure that this is folded up accurately and square in all dimensions as there are no vertical spacers to help you with this. You could add a couple of verticle spacers if you felt they was needed. I didn't, as I am going to fit 5mm Perspex spacers underneath the present ones to convert the chassis for split chassis/axle pickup (this will be explained later in the build) and they will assist in keeping everything square. Don't forget to run a fillet of solder into the folds to strengthen them. Bending bars and a straight edge are useful for this Sandy 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share Posted February 17, 2013 Having got the chassis nice and square it was time to fit the bearings and get them lined up correctly after all the filing. I could have used my 'Hobby Holidays' chassis jig for this but as there are no coupling rods in this kit to set it up I thought I'd do it the old fashioned way with a couple of rods through the axle holes. In this picture you can see the effect of the original bearing holes which were incorrectly etched. This one shows the bearings for the front axle now in their correct positions in the vertical plane. The rear axle still needs a tweak. This time showing the front axle in the lateral plane. This photograph shows how far I needed to 'elongate' the bearing hole to correct the drawing error. And finally the chassis sitting square and level on its wheels. I still have the springs to fit to the rear bearings. Regards Sandy 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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