Stringfingerling Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 My embryonic layout involves trains emerging from a tunnel mouth through a stretch of plain track into station throat and terminus. Some shunting manoeuvres will mean trains entering the tunnel mouth. Question is; is that something that would have been allowed, even though obviously not desirable. If the consensus says "no" I may have to turn the tunnel mouth into a bridge! Cheers Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Yep, otherwise Bormingham New Street would never have worked. Shunt limites were all in the tunnels. Hth Jim Sorry - should say Birmingham! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Oxlade Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 King's Cross - they did it all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peak experience Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 glasgow queen street, i believe, was another Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 12, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 12, 2013 And Tunnel Junction, Worcester - limit of shunt board was far side of tunnel I think So shunt away! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted March 12, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 12, 2013 Devizes had tunnel shunting as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 jim s-w, on 12 Mar 2013 - 00:36, said: Yep, otherwise Bormingham New Street would never have worked. Shunt limites were all in the tunnels. Hth Jim Sorry - should say Birmingham! At least you didn't spell it Boremingham.... Regards, Peter (Once of Stechford) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Cymmer Afan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 12, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 12, 2013 At Chipping Norton there was a Shunt Ahead signal reading into the tunnel on the single line, and that's a smallish country station. Shunting into tunnels was in reality quite common because - as has been pointed out above - at quite a few places there was nowhere else to go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stringfingerling Posted March 12, 2013 Author Share Posted March 12, 2013 Thanks for that people! That's a relief. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted March 12, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 12, 2013 on a smaller station - Ventnor on the isle of wight, I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium eldavo Posted March 12, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 12, 2013 Winchester Chesil is another smaller station. Southern crews had at times to wait in the tunnel during the exchange of engines between the Generally Wet and Rusty and themselves. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Monmouth Troy had a curious set up; it looked as though there was double track going into the tunnel at the Raglan end, but there was, IIRC, a crossover inside the portal (or perhaps just outside?), and one track was a dead-end siding, presumably used for shunting. Even stranger is the arrangement at the Franco-Spanish frontier stations of Cerbere and Port-Bou. Here, there are what appear to be three single-track tunnels. In fact they are arranged thus:- Coast side- single track, Spanish broad gauge Middle- single track, standard gauge landward side- single track headshunts, dual gauge, with both tunnels terminating within the hillside, there being no connection between the two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc smith Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Interesting question, and nice to hear of several examples...Thanks for asking.... and answering! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
90171 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Shunting from a goods yard into the old tunnel at Bradford Exchange was routine in the 19th Century. Eric Mason has an amusing account quoting Ahrons,, before the tunnel was widened to a big cutting. There is a plan of Huddersfield here http://www.lostrailwayswestyorkshire.co.uk/images/misc/film%209/hudds%20station%20map%201907.jpg which clearly shows several crossovers at the west (left) end which could only be worked by shunting in and out of the tunnel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted March 12, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 12, 2013 Shunting into a tunnel does sound a bit daunting, but as everyone has pointed out, it did happen. The important point to remember about every single signalbox in the land was that each had its own Special Instructions, which laid down how unusual features such as this could and must be operated - if the usual rules and regulations didn't cover the case. Some of these instructions would also be published in the Sectional Appendix, issued to and to be understood by all traincrew and others required to work the locale. Thus everyone "knew" how to operate that tunnel safely - because that knowledge was a requirement of working there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Not in Britain but there is one small terminus station that has its entire shunting neck in a blind tunnel. (photographer Reinhard Dietrich released into public domain 2008) It's a small underused station with just six points, one of them actually in the tunnel, that cries out to be modelled but I'm not sure if anyone ever has. More on it here. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13498521 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 What about new mills in the manchester area? That even had what looked like a tunnel but was used just as a head shunt (IIRC was going to be a extension that never happened). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 blind tunnel ? that's ok they have the omni present on their side.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stringfingerling Posted March 12, 2013 Author Share Posted March 12, 2013 Not in Britain but there is one small terminus station that has its entire shunting neck in a blind tunnel. 800px-Tunnel head shunt.jpg (photographer Reinhard Dietrich released into public domain 2008) It's a small underused station with just six points, one of them actually in the tunnel, that cries out to be modelled but I'm not sure if anyone ever has. More on it here. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13498521 Fascinating!Thanks for posting. Thanks to everyone else as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stringfingerling Posted March 12, 2013 Author Share Posted March 12, 2013 This is what I'm building and it explains my question. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/1200/entry-10470-more-visualising/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Stockport..... The tunnel had a bell inside it. Also Bangor in North Wales .... at both ends! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Liverpool Lime Street Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 On the contrary side, I believe that when shunting thru Chalk Tunnel on the down side of Guildford, trains were not allowed to stand in the tunnel, so they had to run all the way through before reversing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Birkenhead Woodside. Station throat pointwork extended into tunnel. No option but to shunt in it. Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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