RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 31, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2013 As I haven't collected mine yet has anybody got a pic of what comes in the 'goodies' bag? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted January 1, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2014 As I haven't collected mine yet has anybody got a pic of what comes in the 'goodies' bag? When I've sobered up a bit I'll do you a photo of mine Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted January 1, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2014 (edited) Here's what's in the bag of bits.A pair of hanging type vac pipes included ,I think but these would interfere with the tension lock coupling but it would look nicer with them fitted. Edited January 1, 2014 by gwrrob 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 right, need to get mine purchased/ordered. My only query is that the box on top is taller than the Hornby one and I'm wondering which was correct Just being picky, but shouldn't the lamps be tail lights (red glass)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted January 1, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2014 Just being picky, but shouldn't the lamps be tail lights (red glass)? I don't know for sure but here's one with white lenses. http://www.tyseleylocoworks.co.uk/tlw/images100_2/9600_shunter_brw_v.jpg Here is a nice end photo shewing where the hanging type vac pipes should go. http://www.flickr.com/photos/svr_enthusiast/5491227289/ Here is one being used with a pannier tank. http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2951011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 1, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 1, 2014 Just being picky, but shouldn't the lamps be tail lights (red glass)? What lights does the shunting loco carry? e.g. which end is the tail end when shunting? Sometimes it is moving forward, sometimes backward! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 (edited) What lights does the shunting loco carry? e.g. which end is the tail end when shunting? Sometimes it is moving forward, sometimes backward! Keith Quite right. Brain not in gear (its new years day after all!) Edited January 1, 2014 by G-BOAF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 1, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 1, 2014 (edited) Quite right. Brain not in gear (its new years day after all!) It was meant as a straightforward question! (I don't know what the lamp arrangements are when shunting) It wasn't something that was much photographed Keith For those interested in early BR period here is a picture of a 350hp 13XXX loco with shunter's truck, but no extra lamps! http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrbg1333.htm Note the chap with his pole by the adjacent track and the one riding on the step board. There are several other pictures and info on Shunter's trucks in the B'ham area on Warwickshire Railways site Edited January 1, 2014 by melmerby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2014 Shunters trucks would normally carry standard pilot lamps in the BR era (one red & one white) in GWR times and until Novemver 1949 it was a red lamp at each end, the loco lamp to go on the top bracket and no specific bracket named for the truck. The 'bits & pieces' include 2 head lamps (obviously), the two hefty looking shunting poles and the pair of vac pipes - N.B. not all trucks had vacuum pipes. The other two objects look to be some sort of extended lamp bracket? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted January 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2014 There should be a couple of brake sticks, really. Some shunters I knew used the back of the pole, but it was frowned upon mostly, as a pole was not as strong as the stick. Don't recall seeing a chock in real life. If the brake wouldn't make, then wired off to C&W for attention. Did see some half sleepers though! in fact, sometimes, a lot of half sleepers.... Bucket of sand, or two.... Spare coupling, sometimes hung on the 'hook'. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2014 There should be a couple of brake sticks, really. Some shunters I knew used the back of the pole, but it was frowned upon mostly, as a pole was not as strong as the stick. Don't recall seeing a chock in real life. If the brake wouldn't make, then wired off to C&W for attention. Did see some half sleepers though! in fact, sometimes, a lot of half sleepers.... Bucket of sand, or two.... Spare coupling, sometimes hung on the 'hook'. Ian The well equipped Shunters Truck would usually seem to have come with a couple of spare couplings, possibly some fishplates and sprags (rerailing for the use of), several shunting poles and quite likely a brakestick or three. Shunting poles were indeed not supposed to be used for putting down brakes unless they were the specially strengthened variety (which most yards didn't have) and having had fragments of one whistle past my ears at pretty close range I could quite see why it was verboten Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted January 2, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2014 - N.B. not all trucks had vacuum pipes. That makes it tricky Mike as they seem to be camera shy in most books I have.41734 might get them fitted and I'll let someone with photographic evidence prove me wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2014 That makes it tricky Mike as they seem to be camera shy in most books I have.41734 might get them fitted and I'll let someone with photographic evidence prove me wrong. Look at the allocation list and work it out from there - basically passenger yard trucks had vacuum pipes and freight ones didn't )no doubt folk will now roll out pics of all the exceptions to that rule of thumb approach). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy M Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 41734 might get them fitted and I'll let someone with photographic evidence prove me wrong. Rob, I can give you the little bit of information I have on 41734. It spent its whole working life at Newton Abbot and was fitted with pipes for both vacuum (for brake release) and steam (for carriage heating), both of which hung down below the headstock. This particular 'Chariot' was primarily used on the carriage siding shunt duty (hence the pipes) paired with 2021, 57xx, 74xx, 94xx and from 1959 onwards 400hp diesel shunters. One account questions whether the steam heat was ever used on stock in the sidings, but it seems odd to have gone to the trouble of so fitting the M3 truck if it was not to be used. Another snippet I have is that the original angled lamp irons were replaced with the sloping variant on the toolbox (as per the Bachmann model) in May 1936. Additional irons were fitted to the buffer beam in Feb 1950. There is a photo of it attached to a diesel shunter in GWRJ 26, obviously in a guise too late for your period. Hope this is of interest. Regards, Andy. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted January 3, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2014 Rob, I can give you the little bit of information I have on 41734. It spent its whole working life at Newton Abbot and was fitted with pipes for both vacuum (for brake release) and steam (for carriage heating), both of which hung down below the headstock. This particular 'Chariot' was primarily used on the carriage siding shunt duty (hence the pipes) paired with 2021, 57xx, 74xx, 94xx and from 1959 onwards 400hp diesel shunters. One account questions whether the steam heat was ever used on stock in the sidings, but it seems odd to have gone to the trouble of so fitting the M3 truck if it was not to be used. Another snippet I have is that the original angled lamp irons were replaced with the sloping variant on the toolbox (as per the Bachmann model) in May 1936. Additional irons were fitted to the buffer beam in Feb 1950. Thanks Andy.There should be a double like button for posts like this one. Vac pipes will be fitted then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim104 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 So, has anyone found out where the two upright brackets are fitted to the wagon yet ? They look as if they should go against the tool box to hold the shunters poles ? cheers Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 The brake hoses hanging down also have support brackets to fit behind them. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 So, has anyone found out where the two upright brackets are fitted to the wagon yet ? They look as if they should go against the tool box to hold the shunters poles ? cheers Jim Are they intended to hand down vertically from the buffer beam, for the 'free' end of the vacuum pipes to clip onto, to prevent them swinging whilst the chariot is in motion. ??? . Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim104 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Resolved, spoken to Bachmann today and they have explained the mysterious brackets, they are as outlined in the above posts brackets that hang down alongside the vac hoses. They cannot be fitted if you use the coupling. I have managed to fit the vac hoses onto mine without any trouble. Job sorted ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted January 21, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2014 As shewn here and posted above. http://www.flickr.com/photos/svr_enthusiast/5491227289/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicky W Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 There's a review of the Bachmann shunter's truck (with a listing of the prototype trucks) by John Emerson online at: https://www.model-railways-live.co.uk/Reviews/240/Bachmann_Shunters_Truck_reviewed_by_John_Emerson/ The two models represent different builds of truck - the Bachmann is a Diagram M3 whereas the Hornby is a later M4 Diagram. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwfb Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 There's a review of the Bachmann shunter's truck (with a listing of the prototype trucks) by John Emerson online at: https://www.model-railways-live.co.uk/Reviews/240/Bachmann_Shunters_Truck_reviewed_by_John_Emerson/ The two models represent different builds of truck - the Bachmann is a Diagram M3 whereas the Hornby is a later M4 Diagram. Well, the report says Bachmanns trucks cover both diagrams. Mind you, it also says the BR version has the lamp irons on the toolbox, which is at odds with the picture! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivatt2mt Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 They were indeed departmental wagons Miss P - hence the 'OD' branding (which meant Operating Department of course - as opposed to, say, ED for Engineering Department). Having stood right next to a couple of them in Reading West Junction Yard during most hours of the 24 back in the late 1960s they were very definitely black beneath the grime. In fact in places there wasn't too much grime because Shunters riding on the footboards brushed against the wagon and any loose dirt tended to be 'brushed' off leaving relatively clean and shiny patches. I don't doubt that at some time some might have been lettered in white but my recollection of the markings is that they usually tended to be grubby because they were within the channel of the solebar and thus didn't get the brushing against them that happened on some areas. All the wooden areas were presumably unpainted as there never seemed to be any trace of paint on them - just well weathered timber. Noting that all wooden areas would be just well weathered timber I tried to portray that on my version, but does anyone know if there was ever a Shunters Truck based at Oswestry?! if not, I have to fall back to the 'modeller's licence'. Rationale: my planned layout will be based on the N&W route around Craven Arms. This (under the Terms & Conditions of the Modeller's Licence ) allows for a Pannier visiting from Hereford, a Shunters Truck on loan from Oswestry, a Toad to be returned to Machynlleth and Eastern iron ore hoppers coming back from Newport! 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Long shot question coming up but you never know in this day and age... A friend has asked me if I know when the last GWR Shunter Truck was withdrawn from service. Any takers on this question...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I have seen a photograph of one in the early 1970s with a class 08 in BR blue. Can't remember where the picture was online though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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