Steadfast Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 In the photos of the recent samples at Ally Pally on the N gauge Western thread, there's a Colas 56 in the corner of the shot. I've seen a comment about referring to the Dapol Facebook page, but not being a user, it's navigation is somewhat of a mystery to me and I can't find it. So, question time, is it a new body moulding for the Doncaster and Crewe built locos? Great news if it is, and any further news or pictures any one picked up at Ally Pally? Many thanks jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Hi Jo, apparently it is a new tooling, there's about 5 versions due out around July David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 Fantastic, cheers David. Hopefully we'll see review samples before too long then jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 What are the main differences between the Doncaster, Crewe and Romanian (I think) built locos? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 The main variation (besides build quality) was around the cabs, the Romanian (and early British) had cast cabs, the later build having fabricated steel cabs that were more angular. Some links here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/58157-Dapol-class-56-photo-review/?p=820385 Just noticed the second is an early build British one with the same cab. Here's a link to a final style, fabricated cab http://www.hondawanderer.com/56086_Kingham_1996.htm Notice how the top of the yellow panel is straight, not curved and the whole cab looks more angular HTH jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted April 9, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 9, 2013 Hi The variations on just 135 locos is a minefield for the unwary. With three locations building locos and several mods during build. Happily to be corrected but the first batch built in Romania had an Aluminum cab parts which gave a more rounded roof dome, the buffer cowling like class47 and had round buffers, the quarter light window in cab had a rubber gromit surround,cab front lights were slightly recess and horn gril smaller flush front grill, headlamp had a rubber surround the main body feature was square mesh on side grill. 56001-030 The Doncaster built batch falls into the mire as 031 - 55 had only the top lip only on the cowl, no gromit on quarter light and finer mesh on bodyside, oval buffers?some were round?,headlamp in metal bezell fitting Other detrails per first batch. 56042 got unique bogies -similar to class 58. batch 56-73 had no bufferbam cowling and steel cab sheeting - if you look you can see the roof oversails cab front window giving a small "eyebrow" effect. Batch 74 -65115 also Doncaster bult had a new protuding horn grill and lamps now surface mounted. Crew built last 20, 56116-56135 to spec of batch 74-115. Handrails - these also changed between batches Cab front upto xx seem curved to clear headlamp later on flat across front to my eye. Cab side handrails on Batch one like 47 had slight recess for hand hold and level both sides of door , later batches guess 55 onwards had front rail extended close to body bottom, but many refitted to later standard. collsion damage saw several locos 56004 ? or 006? gaining UK cabs. Quite late into day spare cabs exsisted at Glasgow works! Have fun Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 Posted at the same time as Robert, he sums it up in much more detail! jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium richierich Posted April 9, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 9, 2013 But I've not seen any official announcments yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 9, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 9, 2013 The Doncaster built batch falls into the mire as 031 - 55 had only the top lip only on the cowl, Nice summary although 56031/032 had the full buffer cowling, 56033 onwards were top lip only 56032 EDIT - just noticed that forward cab side handrail is extended. And at some point in the build they were changed from round bar to flat bar EDIT 2 - 5605 has a flat bar AND a round bar......... I think this combination was fitted 56058- 56069 with a quick bit of flickr searching. I remember looking at 56 details when the Mainline model was originally released and recall some fun identifying handrail types - changes to handrail configuration didn't always tally with other more noticeable "batch" changes to bodywork. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted April 9, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 9, 2013 Hi, Not forgetting the fun with cut front hadrails and square head lamps and the EWS no2 end cant rail grill/filter mods. thanks for gen on First Doncaster 56s - I do not have to hand Martin Loaders fine profile books must go back and have a look! Makes me feel sorry for Dapol Dave - treading the minefield with us all watching from safe ground ! I look forward to the Donny build locos... Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu from EGDL Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Hi Guys; Are there any decent pics out there of the Dapol Colas 56??? Later; STU from EGDL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 What surprised me at Ally Pally was that no one was really interested in taking pics of any of the 5 i had on show there. Large Logo Blue Blue EWS Triple Grey Colas The colas one was incorrectly numbered for an accurate'ish front end as the headlight was a sealed beam type and the number portrayed doesnt have one. Luckily in the week up to the show 105 i think, was released in Colas with this headlight and thats the one we shall have as our model. Pics are being taken for our in house club newsletter first then we will release them onto the website for all to see. I like the Colas as it's nicely done, but the LLB looks great in my opinion, especially with the 'Bachmann Blue' on the side. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted April 10, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 10, 2013 The Colas one did look very smart.. I strongly suspect that one will be seen passing through Banbury when it is released! I did intend taking pics but in the end just didn't get time to take very many of anything during the show. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium richierich Posted April 10, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 10, 2013 Look forward to the pics . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share Posted April 10, 2013 Thanks for the confirmation Dave, sounds good! Can't wait for a 56105! Look forward to the pics . . .Same! jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl. H. Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Hi The variations on just 135 locos is a minefield for the unwary. With three locations building locos and several mods during build. Happily to be corrected but the first batch built in Romania had an Aluminum cab parts which gave a more rounded roof dome, the buffer cowling like class47 and had round buffers, the quarter light window in cab had a rubber gromit surround,cab front lights were slightly recess and horn gril smaller flush front grill, headlamp had a rubber surround the main body feature was square mesh on side grill. 56001-030 The Doncaster built batch falls into the mire as 031 - 55 had only the top lip only on the cowl, no gromit on quarter light and finer mesh on bodyside, oval buffers?some were round?,headlamp in metal bezell fitting Other detrails per first batch. 56042 got unique bogies -similar to class 58. batch 56-73 had no bufferbam cowling and steel cab sheeting - if you look you can see the roof oversails cab front window giving a small "eyebrow" effect. Batch 74 -65115 also Doncaster bult had a new protuding horn grill and lamps now surface mounted. Crew built last 20, 56116-56135 to spec of batch 74-115. Handrails - these also changed between batches Cab front upto xx seem curved to clear headlamp later on flat across front to my eye. Cab side handrails on Batch one like 47 had slight recess for hand hold and level both sides of door , later batches guess 55 onwards had front rail extended close to body bottom, but many refitted to later standard. collsion damage saw several locos 56004 ? or 006? gaining UK cabs. Quite late into day spare cabs exsisted at Glasgow works! Have fun Robert 56004 had both cabs replaced. A nice easy one for Dapol, considering the new tool and the minefield of detail differences. Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibuchan Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Oh dear. Dave, You really must stop spending my money on your lovely models colas here I come ready for the NGS log wagons Alistair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian b Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Can't wait to see the large logo version- didn't realise these were going to be out so soon! Looking forward to the pics! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted April 12, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 12, 2013 Hi Gang Rails of sheffield have listed : 2D-004-005 56089 in EW&S ( D suffix also for DCC fitted for all four versions 2D-004-006 56070 BR blue 2D-004-007 56090 Large logo Blue 2D-004-008 56056 construction centre. No prices given just TBA . Hope this helps Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
97403_Ixion Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Don't forget the unusual pair - 56073 and 56074, which both had a roof mounted warning beacon, above the cab. There is a really good photo of 56074 with the beacon, here: http://www.class56.co.uk/picture/56074-yk-130380.jpg They were like it when in BR Blue and I think it was to provide a visible warning light for a colliery somewhere, if I recall... Knottingley perhaps? I expect Dave will not venture to doing these two... but I'm not sure there is a kit you can buy to make the modification? Mind you it doesn't look that difficult Cheers, Ixion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 12, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 12, 2013 Don't forget the unusual pair - 56073 and 56074, which both had a roof mounted warning beacon, above the cab. There is a really good photo of 56074 with the beacon, here: http://www.class56.co.uk/picture/56074-yk-130380.jpg They were like it when in BR Blue and I think it was to provide a visible warning light for a colliery somewhere, if I recall... Knottingley perhaps? I expect Dave will not venture to doing these two... but I'm not sure there is a kit you can buy to make the modification? Mind you it doesn't look that difficult Cheers, Ixion. The light was to to warn people that the loco could be unmanned and under remote control during MGR unloading. 47373 was similarly fitted. You may be thinking of Kellingley Colliery, not too far from Knottingley. 56074 was named after it. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium richierich Posted April 12, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 12, 2013 I saw the list of the next round of 56s too. Its just a question of how to fund them . . . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgiesimon Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Are there any pictures around of the Dapol Colas liveried 56? would loive to see it. Also, are they, (you Mr Dave) planning on doing the most excellet looking Loadhaul model individually instead of as part of the set? Personally I will not be acquiring the set as I do not do digital. Best wishes Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 I may have found a pic that shows a small bit of the Colas Class 56. All credit to TomE (post #31 of the page) http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61321-Dapol-n-gauge-western/page-2 I'd like to see a better picture though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgiesimon Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 That is not much of a view but better than nothing so thanks for that, Jeremiah from Bangalore - bloomin ell us N gaugers get around!!!!! Better put the colas one on my shopping list then. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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