RJS1977 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Naughty! Traditional, hand-made Persian rugs have intentional flaws because the Muslim artists feel that only Allah is perfect and has the right to create perfectly - but you don't go looking for the flaw! Of course, in Allan's case, any little joins no doubt have more to do with Wills's tiny sheets of material than with religious scruples! Never really had much time to look for flaws in a Persian rug - usually too busy killing a dragon with my bare hands! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 Never really had much time to look for flaws in a Persian rug - usually too busy killing a dragon with my bare hands! The only time I ever studdied flaws in a Persian carpet, well a bedroom carpet anyway, was when I was about nine and my mother caught me trying to stuff our cat up the chimney cos it was white and I wanted a black one ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted July 3, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3, 2013 The only time I ever studdied flaws in a Persian carpet, well a bedroom carpet anyway, was when I was... That sentance could have gone so many ways... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) I was not being picky for pickiness sake you understand, I was just glad to find a seam in your almost seamless work. But I think 'expansion point' was certainly quick on the hoof thinking...;p Now you know its not fair to come back even a few inches/centimetres with those pictures, there's no hope of finding even a crack! Maybe if you have some very close ups of that cathedral I could make Iain happy it would save him having to run off to his hole.........so often Well Jaz, every model, no matter how hard we try, has it's give a way points and that cathedral was no exception and it won't take a lot of studying of this interior shot below to see what I mean and, while I would never consider it as nit picking I would consider it as close observation and constructive criticism - two different things entirely and it's what keeps up model makers on our toes ! So check out the mistakes in the photo below - a pint on Robinson for every one you spot ! Edited July 3, 2013 by allan downes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted July 3, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3, 2013 The pulpit is not facing the congregation, there are no pews, the marble used for the pillars is all wrong, the pillars don't leant out wards (to create a more supported outer chancell, on which the upper main hall is supported), the light is all wrong for a Mediterranean church and it's not pointing East / West. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 The pulpit is not facing the congregation, there are no pews, the marble used for the pillars is all wrong, the pillars don't leant out wards (to create a more supported outer chancell, on which the upper main hall is supported), the light is all wrong for a Mediterranean church and it's not pointing East / West. Mostly right Stubby, 'cept it ain't a Mediterranean church - or it wasn't supposed to be ! - and I ain't sure how you can determine that it's not pointing East/West. What could have earnt you extra pints, if you could have found Robinson at the time that is, is the rased floor joint across the Transcept Crossing and the drunken status of the ranks of colums. Oh, and the pulpit's got a dodgy leg and is about to collapse ! Cheers. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I'm not picking faults in THAT! I thought it was the real thing!!! Being one of the few people who have not seen the outside of your cathedral ad finitum let alone realised you had done the inside. So to me it looked like you had used a picture of a real Cathedral- hence my funny - cos I thought you was joshing. Which means I now need to go look for a real magnifying glass ( I doubt I have bigger than x2) Does that mean the horizontal line on the floor is a really bad join ? ;p OK the right hand leg does lean. Allan Downes if you are not winding me up and that is your modelling....you are THE man.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 IF...and I stress the if, I had realised it was not real I might just have thought a Cathedral with plain glass, not stained? But today even the church might have to tighten it's belt in the present econimc climate. The marble grain is perhaps big, but I bet you could find a prototypical marble to match. Pews are not fixtures, so them not being in situ wouldn't shout at me. I have a real pew in my garage and another in our shed. So know they are not 'fixtures' The light wouldn't alert me either, as I spend s lot of time on my own pictures waiting for the light to be just right for me to take photographs. We have 5 veluxes, 3 north,2 south, with heavy blinds and I pull open and shut them often trying to improve the light/shadow ratio.(It has been known to drive my husband bonkers) Because the light is diffused, there's no obvious shadows as a give away either. Allan....I salute you. I think I need to go off for a drink (too early for baileys, a nip of pimms and lemonade perhaps) whilst I recover....gobsmacked..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebs Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 THAT's a Model????!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 IF...and I stress the if, I had realised it was not real I might just have thought a Cathedral with plain glass, not stained? But today even the church might have to tighten it's belt in the present econimc climate. The marble grain is perhaps big, but I bet you could find a prototypical marble to match. Pews are not fixtures, so them not being in situ wouldn't shout at me. I have a real pew in my garage and another in our shed. So know they are not 'fixtures' The light wouldn't alert me either, as I spend s lot of time on my own pictures waiting for the light to be just right for me to take photographs. We have 5 veluxes, 3 north,2 south, with heavy blinds and I pull open and shut them often trying to improve the light/shadow ratio.(It has been known to drive my husband bonkers) Because the light is diffused, there's no obvious shadows as a give away either. Allan....I salute you. I think I need to go off for a drink (too early for baileys, a nip of pimms and lemonade perhaps) whilst I recover....gobsmacked..... "It has been know to drive my husband bonkers" Oh dear Jaz, I didn't know you were a lady so I had better watch my language from here on in ! However, further to mistakes. Sometime Jaz these can be forgiven as an interpretation of something other than an obvious foul up ! Foe example, and as seen below ( again !) I built sixteen foot of steelworks where effectively there wasn't as much as one square inch that wasn't a 'mistake' and simply because I invented every square inch of it to begin with - but I got away with it , and why ? - because, and not unlike myself, most people don't know what a steel works looks like either and, because they don't, I could have easily have called it a chemical works but even so, there has to be a limit - I mean, could I have got away with calling it a garden center ?! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain C Robinson Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 - I mean, could I have got away with calling it a garden center ?! Garden centres would suddenly become interesting if that were the case! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 Garden centres would suddenly become interesting if that were the case! So, judging by that Iain, can I safely say that your garden looks like a jungle and the natural habitat of the rare and lesser spotted Welshrabbit that is a sucker for burnt toast ? Cheers. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain C Robinson Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 So, judging by that Iain, can I safely say that your garden looks like a jungle and the natural habitat of the rare and lesser spotted Welshrabbit that is a sucker for burnt toast ? Cheers. Allan Our garden is basically a half acre field, with old Welsh legends telling of a mower lost somewhere in the herbage, which has now mostly grown up into large trees! Luckily we don't have any neighbours apart from a couple of "holiday" cottages which have miraculously escaped being burnt down. They come here every few weeks, ostensibly to have a break, but spend all their time mowing their little plots and painting stuff with preservative. I keep telling 'em, Colron's the stuff! cheers, Iain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) post 575 ...could I have called it a garden centre?..... Well you would have to add the odd pot 'plant' ;p Edited July 3, 2013 by Jaz 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Ooooh ooooh on post 575, is that a glue bottle in the top right hand corner???????? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 Ooooh ooooh on post 575, is that a glue bottle in the top right hand corner???????? Yes Jaz, it is, in fact one of several and apart from the odd ladies complicated mechanical wonder of the century - the suspender clip - there are dozens of household items that you might also recognise. Including something that I encouraged to fall off the wifes sewing machine that was all that stood beween it looking like a steelworks, or Tetford town center ! Cheers. Allan. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Do I get a pint of baileys? ;p Oh and for the record, I have spent a LOT of time in garden centres, checking out trees for our arboretum. They are truly wonderful places, on a par with many modelling shops, the odd specialist one is as good as a decent fair. Looks, grins..........and runs like bejazus............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) Here's Harlem Steel Mk1, and just like Mk2 it's nothing like a steelworks on one hand, and everything like it on the other ! It's called blinding 'em with spectacle, If I don't know what it's supposed be, neither will anyone else, and I've been getting away with it for 40 years ever since I built Pipers Mead and told every one that it was a model railway ! Even Iain believed it ! Edited July 3, 2013 by allan downes 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Garden centres would suddenly become interesting if that were the case! I don't know - there are a few interesting garden centres around. Poynton and Pulborough spring to mind... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share Posted July 4, 2013 How to ruin a good layout in two stages. Stage one -Trees. Stage two - Figures. Question - So why do it ?! Samples below. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share Posted July 4, 2013 So, look at that Castle Class, beautiful ain't she? which is more than can be said for it's driver and fireman! So seriously folks, how would you have posed that picture, especially after having taken an era to build it ? Four letter words not accepted ! Cheers. Allan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) Before we go any further with this thread, I thought you might like to see who was half responsible for it, then again, and after seeng the picture, you might not. Anyway, Mimmo, the Italian gent that owned the abandoned massive 4mm layout, Civic Splendour as it was tagged by the RM because we hadn't at the time come up with a name, that cathedral, and much more. Then it's yours truly desperately trying to hold his stomach in but failing miserably, and the best model railway photographer in the buisiness - Tony Wright. Public warning. Do not show this picture to children under five, and old ladies with a heart condition.Or even old ladies without one. Edited July 4, 2013 by allan downes 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted July 4, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 4, 2013 So how come Rolf Harris is stood in the middle ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan downes Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share Posted July 4, 2013 So how come Rolf Harris is stood in the middle ??? Good grief Stubby, is Rolf Harris that good looking ?!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 I can just imagine Allan getting partway through building a model and asking any onlookers "Can you tell what it is yet?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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