For those interested in old cars.

[Dunsignalling]

25 minutes ago, Rugd1022 said:

Eastleigh....

 

 

I wonder how many (if any) of those pictured are still on the road.

 

If I had to pick one, I might have a punt on the motor caravan!

 

John

[peanuts]

1 hour ago, Dunsignalling said:

 

I wonder how many (if any) of those pictured are still on the road.

 

If I had to pick one, I might have a punt on the motor caravan!

 

John

hope the bloke is going back to the skoda leaving the door open my lead to it getting nicked 

[PhilJ W]

5 hours ago, RJS1977 said:

 

Many years ago, my grandfather came across two derelict Austin Sevens, took them home and built one good one out of the two. Even towing them home was an 'interesting' job, as they only had four wheels between them!

 

Any leftover parts that were too far gone to be used as spares were buried in the hole where the air raid shelter had been!

There used to be a scrap yard at Latchington (Essex) back in the 80's. The site used to be used for growing tomatoes and the scrap cars were in and around the old hot houses. In one of the hothouses was an Austin Ruby that had been parked under a gap in the roof that coincided with the B pillars of the car. Over the years the middle of the car had rusted away completely splitting it into two parts.

4 hours ago, Rugd1022 said:

Bits 'n' bobs from Browns Lane....

 

 

 

 

 

That looks very much like an ex Green-Line 10T10 type coach.

4 hours ago, Oldddudders said:

ISTR a schoolchum buried a deceased Francis-Barnett motorbike in their council house garden. I have no doubt it is now privately owned, and wonder if the owners know of their buried treasure! 

Distant cousins of my father buried a pre WW1 Morgan three wheeler in the garden of a cottage in Oxlow Lane Dagenham back in the 1920's. The cottage still exists even though surrounded by the LCC Becontree Estate. I wonder what if anything would remain after nearly a hundred years.

[Captain Cuttle]

3 hours ago, Dunsignalling said:

 

I wonder how many (if any) of those pictured are still on the road.

 

If I had to pick one, I might have a punt on the motor caravan!

 

John

I was reading recently that there very few Metros left, thats a shame as i thought they were half decent at the time.

I wonder if any of the mk 1 coaches in the background  are on heritage railways now?

[PhilJ W]

Quite a few of the other cars in the photograph are quite rare now such as the Vauxhall Chevette. Cars from about 1985 to 1998 are quite rare now due to the scrappage scheme when vehicles with quite a bit of useful life left in them went for scrap. Even the motor caravan may have succumbed, built on a Sherpa chassis the cab and front end of which may well have rotted.

[steve45]

On 03/02/2022 at 07:18, peanuts said:

This has been at the back of the yard on one of my deliverys finnaly got a good look at it 

Brings back memories, my first car was an Anglia 105E, I bought it in 1972 for £150, and ran it for about 4 years and did 55k miles. Petrol was 5s 6d a gallon...............those were the days

[Northmoor]

1 minute ago, PhilJ W said:

Quite a few of the other cars in the photograph are quite rare now such as the Vauxhall Chevette. Cars from about 1985 to 1998 are quite rare now due to the scrappage scheme when vehicles with quite a bit of useful life left in them went for scrap. Even the motor caravan may have succumbed, built on a Sherpa chassis the cab and front end of which may well have rotted.

The scrappage scheme not only removed mostly vehicles from that era, it disproportionately removed the plain models while the performance versions - which are always more "collectible" - survived.

I'll not start on how it was a very effective scheme for:

• removing serviceable vehicles from the road - which the less well-off could afford to drive and would contribute to small businesses like local garages doing running repairs;
• sending money to large Korean multinationals, who have cornered the market in cheaper cars affordable to the less well-off;
• putting money into the pockets of finance companies lending the money for those cars and encouraging people to get into debt when they previously weren't.

But as I say, I won't go into it.....

[Lord Flashheart]

6 hours ago, Rugd1022 said:

Eastleigh....

 

Nice pic,the pair of 2 door mk1 Escorts are probably worth as much as everything else in that car park now,choice for me would be the mk2 Cavalier SRI.

 

Rob

[Dunsignalling]

10 hours ago, Northmoor said:

The scrappage scheme not only removed mostly vehicles from that era, it disproportionately removed the plain models while the performance versions - which are always more "collectible" - survived.

I'll not start on how it was a very effective scheme for:

• removing serviceable vehicles from the road - which the less well-off could afford to drive and would contribute to small businesses like local garages doing running repairs;
• sending money to large Korean multinationals, who have cornered the market in cheaper cars affordable to the less well-off;
• putting money into the pockets of finance companies lending the money for those cars and encouraging people to get into debt when they previously weren't.

But as I say, I won't go into it.....

Scrappage didn't do anything for road safety, either.

 

In general, the vehicles disposed of were either low mileage second cars or belonged to people who were just  sufficiently well off to accept the offer. It wouldn't have been possible to devise a better way of weeding out the best maintained segment of the older car population!

 

Decent, safe cars went to the crusher, leaving those they would normally displace via small dealers or classified ads; dodgy bangers that could just scrape through the MoT, to survive rather longer than they should have.

 

John

[MJI]

7 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

Scrappage didn't do anything for road safety, either.

 

In general, the vehicles disposed of were either low mileage second cars or belonged to people who were just  sufficiently well off to accept the offer. It wouldn't have been possible to devise a better way of weeding out the best maintained segment of the older car population!

 

Decent, safe cars went to the crusher, leaving those they would normally displace via small dealers or classified ads; dodgy bangers that could just scrape through the MoT, to survive rather longer than they should have.

 

John

It was a terrible idea.

 

But some traders abused the system. They instead of scrapping a classic, they sold them on for a lot more.

[Dunsignalling]

9 hours ago, Lord Flashheart said:

Nice pic,the pair of 2 door mk1 Escorts are probably worth as much as everything else in that car park now,choice for me would be the mk2 Cavalier SRI.

 

Rob

 

The Beemer, front right, might be a candidate for survival, a late friend of mine sold one like it that he'd had from new, as a going concern, twenty-odd years old with almost 300k on the clock. It wasn't a diesel, either!

 

It still started instantly as soon as the key was turned, and it didn't smoke! He was asking (IIRC) £750 for it which was a fair bit over the odds at the time.

 

The buyer brought a mechanic with him for test drive. After three or four miles he turned to his mate and said "if you don't want this, I'll have it, give him the money." 

 

John

[Dunsignalling]

13 minutes ago, MJI said:

It was a terrible idea.

 

But some traders abused the system. They instead of scrapping a classic, they sold them on for a lot more.

 

In one way, I'd applaud that, even if the previous owner had been effectively fleeced!

 

John

[Kickstart]

13 hours ago, Captain Cuttle said:

I was reading recently that there very few Metros left, thats a shame as i thought they were half decent at the time.

I wonder if any of the mk 1 coaches in the background  are on heritage railways now?

 

I saw a late Metro in York yesterday. Bit of a surprise.

 

All the best

 

Katy

[Hobby]

1 hour ago, MJI said:

But some traders abused the system. They instead of scrapping a classic, they sold them on for a lot more.

 

Didn't it depend on which scheme, they weren't allowed to do that with the Government scheme from what i remember. With the later, manufacturer based ones, though, it was a free for all.

[PhilJ W]

1 hour ago, MJI said:

It was a terrible idea.

 

But some traders abused the system. They instead of scrapping a classic, they sold them on for a lot more.

 

1 hour ago, Dunsignalling said:

 

In one way, I'd applaud that, even if the previous owner had been effectively fleeced!

 

John

Did they? Every car handed in under the scrappage scheme should have had its registration cancelled. The problem was that it applied to any vehicle over ten years old with a current MoT. This meant that quite a few perfectly good 50's and 60's classics were taken in part exchange and scrapped including some quite rare models. The Germans had a similar system but excluded cars over 25 years old which at least saved a few classics.

[boxbrownie]

15 hours ago, peanuts said:

hope the bloke is going back to the skoda leaving the door open my lead to it getting nicked 

That’s what he was hoping 

[Hobby]

2 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

Every car handed in under the scrappage scheme should have had its registration cancelled. 

 

That was only the Government scheme, the later manufacturer ones didn't always do that.

[boxbrownie]

11 hours ago, Lord Flashheart said:

Nice pic,the pair of 2 door mk1 Escorts are probably worth as much as everything else in that car park now,choice for me would be the mk2 Cavalier SRI.

 

Rob

The Mk2 Escort Ghia would be a candidate for sure, especially in that condition now! 

[PhilJ W]

4 minutes ago, Hobby said:

 

That was only the Government scheme, the later manufacturer ones didn't always do that.

That was their choice, the government scheme was compulsory.

[doilum]

Hence the rarity of Ford Pumas and Vauxhall Tigras today.

[alastairq]

1 hour ago, doilum said:

Hence the rarity of Ford Pumas and Vauxhall Tigras today.

I see an awful lot more Ford Pumas in passing, than Tigras.  Especially as Ex#3 has one, which regularly parks on my driveway.

[doilum]

As previously stated, there were a disprotionate number of excellent, well specced, low milage, 12year old one lady owner from new cars lost from the market leaving a glut of true bangers. That said, the one that broke my heart was a colleague who cashed in her 700 series Volvo "Lovejoy" estate with a mere 200k on the clock. Immaculate inside and out it was good for another 200 and then some. She bought a Skoda Fabia.

Edited February 7, 2022 by doilum

[Dunsignalling]

2 hours ago, doilum said:

Hence the rarity of Ford Pumas and Vauxhall Tigras today.

Were they even old enough to qualify at the time? 

 

In any case, all the Pumas round here seemed to be rather prone to conspicuous rust (wings and sills) by the time they were six or seven years old. Don't know about the Tigras as they were never so plentiful in the first place. 

 

My neighbour's Puma was a nice little thing to drive, though. Basically a Fiesta with better suspension and more poke.

 

John

Edited February 7, 2022 by Dunsignalling

[Dunsignalling]

25 minutes ago, doilum said:

As previously stated, there were a disprotionate number of excellent, well specced, low milage, 12year old one lady owner from new cars lost from the market leaving a glut of true bangers. That said, the one that broke my heart was a colleague who cashed in her 700 series Volvo "Lovejoy" estate with a mere 200k on the clock. Immaculate inside and out it was good for another 200 and then some. She bought a Skoda Fabia.

 

Ouch, though the Fabia of the time was a right nice little thing if it had the 1.9 turbo-diesel in it! 

 

John

[rocor]

15 hours ago, steve45 said:

Brings back memories, my first car was an Anglia 105E, I bought it in 1972 for £150, and ran it for about 4 years and did 55k miles. Petrol was 5s 6d a gallon...............those were the days

 Though, the average weekly wage then was 5s 7d.

Looking at the average full time gross weekly wage then and now, and comparing it with the price of petrol, you were in fact better off then.  It would buy you 133 gallons compared to 110 today.

 

£36.60/ 0.275  (1972)       £610.70/5.546  (2021)