C&WR Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Couldn't disagree more Torr. My pet hate is 4ft x 2ft flat rectangular baseboards that when you make them come out no-where near flat or rectangular.Just look at the Blxxdy State of my latest Blxxdy baseboards! Flat Baseboard.png Now that's just showing off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebottle Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Some companies had to bend the goods sheds, never mind the tracks; e.g. the L&Y in the Pennines... Picture of former L&Y goods shed, Halifax from Google Maps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JCL Posted April 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 9, 2014 ...might be a bit of a commute Pat but why not travel to Lincolnshire, stand in a safe place where your eye can follow the alignment of the track from rail level and then compare the track height relative to 10 or 15 adjacent ground heights....it ain't flat!! When modelling the bland and featureless (generalism...no specific target) the emphasis is much more on picking out these fewer features/details and ensuring that you have faithfully replicated them. Dave Well, I was thinking of Lincolnshire myself, and then contradicted myself (as you do) as I've undulations going on on a part of the layout near the gates at Wainfleet. To be fair though, a lot of the layout is flat and rectangular at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Does anyone do a vet's surgery in 4mm, with a walking figure carrying a cat basket? I'll get my coat.... Hornby does a pet food shop. And you can make / adapt a whicker basket for the cat. If you are up for adapting them this would help you along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mswjr Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Just found this Thread,My pet hate is Wheels,People put their spare wheels onto layouts,you would never have seen loco driving wheels by the trackside,even see it in Thomas the Tank,(not that i watch Thomas the tank as im 55) Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 ...might be a bit of a commute Pat but why not travel to Lincolnshire, stand in a safe place where your eye can follow the alignment of the track from rail level and then compare the track height relative to 10 or 15 adjacent ground heights....it ain't flat!! When modelling the bland and featureless (generalism...no specific target) the emphasis is much more on picking out these fewer features/details and ensuring that you have faithfully replicated them. Dave But surely such an impeccable source as Lord Peter Wimsey could not be wrong . Some companies had to bend the goods sheds, never mind the tracks; e.g. the L&Y in the Pennines... bendy shed.jpg Picture of former L&Y goods shed, Halifax from Google Maps. Are you sure it didn't just warp in the northern damp 'cos the contractor was too cheap to use proper exterior grade stone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 My pet hate is people who tell you something is wrong on a model despite evidence to the contrary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
C&WR Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 My pet hate is people who tell you something is wrong on a model despite evidence to the contrary. I've had that. An "Expert Professional Model Builder" once told me that the rock in this picture was compeltely unrealistic and never appears in nature: Now there are all sorts of things wrong with that bit (and some, done by my Railway Civil Engineer father, completely right) but the bloke had plainly never been to Dawlish. He's not spoken to me since I pointed this out! I may also have mentioned before that Dad is normally very calm, but several times I've nearly had to haul him off a "railway enthusiast" who has been holding forth (generally at a beer festival or the like) using all the railway jargon but slightly wrongly, before starting to chest-poke Dad saying he couldn't have a clue about some engineering issue because the Enthusiast was currently building it on his layout/had read about it in Model Rail/heard about it from a bloke called Bernard at the Model Railway Club who has a really big collection of books etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Dread Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I have passed on the remarks about square and level baseboards to my "tame joiner/cabinet maker " and his comment was **** *** followed by an observation to the effect of "those who so complain are those who cannot build square and level baseboards!" That's why I have a "tame joiner/cabinet maker"! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Popplewell Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I remember seeing a layout of Dawlish once and I too was struck by the redness of the rock and it was only later that I discovered that it really did look like that.The worst thing however was the unrealistic locomotive stock,you won't believe this, but they had ugly big square fireboxes and boilers that were a strange almost conical shape.Nothing like proper real NER locomotives at all.Someone told me they were GWR loco's and this is what they looked like,but I just can't believe that,surely not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Popplewell Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I have passed on the remarks about square and level baseboards to my "tame joiner/cabinet maker " and his comment was **** *** followed by an observation to the effect of "those who so complain are those who cannot build square and level baseboards!" That's why I have a "tame joiner/cabinet maker"! You couldn't let me have his phone no. could you? Iainp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlesea John Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Surely the object of the exercise is to create the illusion of the railway in the landscape. If you can do that whilst retaining regular shaped & sized boards (ie reasonable to transport) then you have success. As to pet hates, mine has always been backscenes. How many fantastic layouts have a backscene that looks ass if it was painted by a chimpanzee with a paintbrush stuck up its **** ? Of course this observation causes me personal stress as I have to come up with a way to make the backscene of our new layout look like I haven't painted it with a brush up said orifice or face the criticism / Michael removal. I always prefer 3-dimensional backscenes where possible and I'm not a great advocate of half- or low-relief buildings. I'm up a gum tree really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 What you need is some scenic boards behind your layout instead of a backscene. And then some scenic boards behind them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Popplewell Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Or maybe if you were to build your baseboards in the shape of a large sphere 1/76th the size of the earth in 4mm scale and fully scenic the lot,dead easy.Might take a while if built to P4 standards though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlesea John Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Railway modelling meets decoupage then ? Many a true word Tim ............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlesea John Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 This is getting silly, sorry interesting. How would we keep the sea attached to the sphere Iain ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Popplewell Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 This is getting silly, sorry interesting. How would we keep the sea attached to the sphere Iain ? Realistic water or PVA would do the job.Simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I have passed on the remarks about square and level baseboards to my "tame joiner/cabinet maker " and his comment was **** *** followed by an observation to the effect of "those who so complain are those who cannot build square and level baseboards!" That's why I have a "tame joiner/cabinet maker"! .....and that is why he is a cabinet maker and not an informed railway modeller. Railways weren't built across flat and level assemblies of wood....they were driven through landscapes....which were just about anything but flat & level. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
C&WR Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 .....and that is why he is a cabinet maker and not an informed railway modeller. Railways weren't built across flat and level assemblies of wood....they were driven through landscapes....which were just about anything but flat & level. Dave If you insist: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Calm down Dave, you'll blow a gasket, and we get the picture - you prefer open frame, but as I always say 'each to their own', a lot of modellers like me just model what inside the railway fence so there's not too much scenic work especially if it's an urban scene, then a 'flat earth' is sufficient. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Or maybe if you were to build your baseboards in the shape of a large sphere 1/76th the size of the earth in 4mm scale and fully scenic the lot,dead easy.Might take a while if built to P4 standards though.You don't need the whole sphere, just as far as the horizon... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
C&WR Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Or maybe if you were to build your baseboards in the shape of a large sphere 1/76th the size of the earth in 4mm scale and fully scenic the lot,dead easy.Might take a while if built to P4 standards though. Sounding a lot like the film Synecdoche, New York... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 people criticizing a perfectly good layout for using the "Wrong shade of NSE red" (Personal story that one!) Just ask them what colour perspective they think you should be using. That should shut them up because unless they're artists they've almost certainly never head of it. I'm convinced that a lot of models look more toylike because they're painted the "correct" colour but that's too intense when we're looking at it from the equivalent of at least fifty and more often several hundred feet away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Lee Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Hornby does a pet food shop. And you can make / adapt a whicker basket for the cat. If you are up for adapting them this would help you along. Thanks. Not sure that the pet food shop would really help in this instance. My cat is quite happy to eat food. It's just the trips to the vet that she isn't too keen on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Popplewell Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Added to the above is that "correct" colours give too great a contrast between them at "normal viewing distances" I find my models always seem to be more realistic if I squint a lot, or even better turn off my railway room cellar light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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