owentherail Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 What's this all about on FB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
owentherail Posted July 14, 2013 Author Share Posted July 14, 2013 I'm sure someone will know more or do a link, sound 37 £148 RRP so less at a good retailer !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Nabbed from the Facebook page... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted July 14, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2013 Are Bachmann putting Soundtraxx decoders in British locos now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 But what liveries? It does rather make a difference! I'd rather hopped that Bachmann would do as they have done with the US range and introduce a more basic loco with sound, aiming for under the £100 mark. That would have certainly made an impact! Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimbus Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 What's this all about on FB <ponder> What does the New Economy sound like? </ponder> The Nim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbyandbf3fan Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 If they sound good and are reasonably priced, I'll be tempted by the 37 and 5MT! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Well economy sound might just be half the cylinders and pistons! :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted July 14, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2013 <ponder> What does the New Economy sound like? </ponder> The Nim. Tumbleweed blown down an empty high street, past the closed Modelzone. Sorry, you asked for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapford34102 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 The UK equivalent of this I assume. http://www.ehattons.com/59247/Bachmann_USA_63208_ALCO_S4_Diesel_New_York_Central_P_LE_8663_DCC_Sound_/StockDetail.aspx and this http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=258_288_627&products_id=4702 Sounds a reasonable compromise..... Stu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 14, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2013 It says "Economy Range of Sound Locos", not "Locos with Economy sound" I reckon it's just Bachmann clearing out some stock. They regularly seem to shift stuff at low prices - recent examples are the 37/5's and XC Voyager/170. Sound locos at £140-ish (or less) aren't uncommon from the major retailers. £129 for a Class 44 £139 for a Class 25 Freighliner sold off their stock of sound 57's and 66's for about those prices recently. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted July 14, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2013 But what liveries are these going to be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapford34102 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I reckon it's just Bachmann clearing out some stock. Don't think so, they've never done a sound pannier or 45XX with sound before But what liveries are these going to be? At that price I'm not sure it matters as you can always repaint but whatever scheme they choose for the 37 they'll upset someone for sure. Stu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Happy Hippo Posted July 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2013 But what liveries are these going to be? LNER Garter Blue for the 45xx Network Rail Yellow for the 5MT BFYE for the Pannier Stroudley Improved Engine green for the Class 20 LNWR Blackberry Blue with full lining for the Class 37 Not listed is the chocolate and cream Mk 1 support coach that will continually whine about the broad gauge. Regards Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 The actual announcement is as follows: Bachmann Europe has today announced that it is introducing a new range of economy sound locomotives. Using newly introduced technology the sound system uses the conventional 21pin DCC socket. Five locomotives are to receive the Economy Sound package initially and these are: 35-600 Class 20 (RRP £143) 35-625 Class 37 (RRP £148.85) 35-650 45xx 2-6-2T 35-675 57xx Pannier Tank (RRP £132) 35-700 BR 5MT 4-6-0 (RRP £181) The new sound system can be used on both DCC and DC analogue systems giving Bachmann OO DC users a sound option for the first time. David Haarhaus, Bachmann's European Sales and Marketing Manager said "we are delighted to introduce a new quality sound system which has all the benefits of earlier systems but is now much more economical to produce. We can now pass those savings on to our customers. We are sure these are going to be popular with many DCC and DC analogue users over the coming years" Bachmann displayed the 37 and 20 in GSYP liveries and the Prairie in BR green late crest livery, I took the chance to have a play and cast an ear over the sounds and I'd say there's an improvement of the 20s sound over the initial release some years ago. All of the sound projects are from prototype working locos here in the UK and are not generic sounds. The sound functions may be less numerous than other products but they do deliver value for money and it was greeted with a good deal of enthusiasm from the retailers I spoke to today. 45xx sound functions: F1 Main whistle F2 Shunt whistle F3 Short whistle F4 Steam release F5 Coal shovelling F6 Inertia bypass F7 Shunt mode F8 Mute Class 20 and Class 37 functions: F0(f) Head light F0® Tail light F1 Engine on/off F2 Horn 1 F3 Horn 2 F6 Inertia bypass F7 Shunt mode F8 Mute F9 Two-tone horn sequence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 As above and according to Hattons the only difference will be less functions. The sound or locomotive detailing will not be compromised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 14, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2013 I wonder if they're using ESU Select as in the US? Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I wonder if they're using ESU Select as in the US? Cheers, Mick The announcement says Soundtraxx which is definitely not ESU. Bachmann US to my knowledge has a deal with Tsunami Soundtraxx not ESU for their inexpensive sound engines. I own an S2 and the sound is okay.It was my first foray into sound and as I say it is okay, not terrific.Horizon/Athearn and other US importer/manufacturers also tend to use Tsunami rather than ESU. You don't have to translate into German for technical discussions. Tsunami refers to the wave of sound the product produces and they are located with manufacturing in Colorado. High end sound decoders are made in the US and shipped to the locomotive manufacturers in China to be installed per the importer/manufacturers specifications. I will have to check but maybe Tsunami they did license manufacture of the Bachmann simplified decoders to Kader in China. Personally I would hope that Tsunami would develop more sound programs for UK locomotives or that third party developers create these programs for full function Tsunami decoders. I can then use these more NMRA compliant Tsunami decoders than ESU Loksound with their gazillion CV settings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 14, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2013 The announcement says Soundtraxx which is definitely not ESU. Bachmann US to my knowledge has a deal with Tsunami Soundtraxx not ESU for their inexpensive sound engines. Having now seen the press release, then soundtraxx could be a good way. I've heard a couple of them on Bachmann US steam stuff and they seem pretty good. Agreed it is about time for another player to enter the UK market beyond the two normal suspects. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted July 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2013 I have a Bachmann USA diesel with economy sound (the ones in a red box) and it sounds pretty good but with less sound functions. However at a show we dont really use the full range of sounds so it has turned out to be a good purchase. If the UK ones are as good as this USA one then its going to be a good option to the more expensive decoders. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Hang on, how do sound chips work on DC?? I am intrigued David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 14, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2013 ESU Loksounds already have the ability to work on DC as long as one of those gazillion CV settings is errrrr.... set. (Pretty certain it's a standard setting on recent Bachmann locos anyway) Can't say I've had a play with a sound loco on DC, but I believe the sound will kick in as soon as the decoder detects track power and rev/move accordingly in the case of a diesel. Other sounds such as horns are probably not available. I've seen/heard a sound fitted loco on DC a few years ago - think it may have been a Tsunami chip - and by varying the DC volts, you could initiate various functions. For example, quickly turning up and down the controller would sound the whistle. I'm sure someone will give a more comprehensive answer. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted July 14, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2013 A good move by Bachmann, hopefully this will see the price of UK sound locos heading in the right direction (for us), rather than spiralling upwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Bus Driver Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Are Soundtraxx chips easy to get re-blown? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Hang on, how do sound chips work on DC?? I am intrigued David The ESU LokSound decoders used to date simply need CV13 set to a value of 1 to enable sound on DC. Most Bachmann sound releases to date have not had this set (ie CV13=0) whereas Hornby's have from the factory. I have set the sound to work on DC for a few friends with DC layouts when they purchased Bachmann locos with sound. When on DC, only the basic engine sounds, random sounds and braking sounds are available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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