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RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted December 7, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2023 7 hours ago, Compound2632 said: Yes but that's because they've been insidiously weaning people off this safety feature. Conveniently ignoring the fact that PSTN lines were never guaranteed to be 100% reliable either. The exchange may have had batteries (how good were BT at maintaining batteries in latter years?), but the street cabling had 1000s of guys keeping them working. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 7, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2023 6 hours ago, kevinlms said: Conveniently ignoring the fact that PSTN lines were never guaranteed to be 100% reliable either. The exchange may have had batteries (how good were BT at maintaining batteries in latter years?), but the street cabling had 1000s of guys keeping them working. As in all such comparisons, it's a question of relative risk. Yes, there was risk before; is the risk now greater? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted December 7, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Compound2632 said: As in all such comparisons, it's a question of relative risk. Yes, there was risk before; is the risk now greater? Indeed. There are a couple of factors that should be taken in to account - that's one of them, and it's the type of situation that's often mistakenkly handwaved away with "well the previous one wasn't perfect anyway" (nothing ever is). The other one, somewhat in the other direction, is that even if the risk is higher is it high enough for it to make sense worrying about? It's easy to get hung up on "but what if...?" but it can be rather unhelpful. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted December 7, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2023 59 minutes ago, PhilJ W said: Always on the carpet and never the ceramic tiles. I should add that our last dog only went, when he became old and unwell. Still suitably ashamed of himself, but it was the carpet! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
33C Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 I lost 2 stone by wearing bread on my head... It's the loaf hat diet. Slam! 1 12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted December 7, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Reorte said: Indeed. There are a couple of factors that should be taken in to account - that's one of them, and it's the type of situation that's often mistakenkly handwaved away with "well the previous one wasn't perfect anyway" (nothing ever is). The other one, somewhat in the other direction, is that even if the risk is higher is it high enough for it to make sense worrying about? It's easy to get hung up on "but what if...?" but it can be rather unhelpful. I don't know about 'handwaving' it off. Fact is if fewer and fewer people are using the old system, it becomes totally uneconomic to have 2 systems running side by side, the old one requiring the same amount of maintenance that historically it always has. We don't offer a choice of whether we want to catch a regular train service, Kings Cross to Newcastle, using either A4 steam, Deltic diesel or the latest electric. Yes, I'm aware that some wouldn't be choosing the fastest service, but the point is, why isn't the choice offered? We know the answer! Edited December 7, 2023 by kevinlms More info 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, PhilJ W said: 16 minutes ago, kevinlms said: Always on the carpet and never the ceramic tiles. I should add that our last dog only went, when he became old and unwell. Still suitably ashamed of himself, but it was the carpet! Easy. Carpets don't splash! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted December 7, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, kevinlms said: I don't know about 'handwaving' it off. Fact is if fewer and fewer people are using the old system, it becomes totally uneconomic to have 2 systems running side by side, the old one requiring the same amount of maintenance that historically it always has. We don't offer a choice of whether we want to catch a regular train service, Kings Cross to Newcastle, using either A4 steam, Deltic diesel or the latest electric. Yes, I'm aware that some wouldn't be choosing the fastest service, but the point is, why isn't the choice offered? We know the answer! That's not the point I was making. What I was getting at is attempting to dismiss downsides in the new system simply because the old one wasn't perfect either. That's got nothing to do with arguments about the validity of keeping two going, or choice. I've certainly got opinions on those too, but they're different issues. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted December 7, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Reorte said: That's not the point I was making. What I was getting at is attempting to dismiss downsides in the new system simply because the old one wasn't perfect either. That's got nothing to do with arguments about the validity of keeping two going, or choice. I've certainly got opinions on those too, but they're different issues. Some people still complain about being 'forced', to go decimal currency too. Fact is the vast majority don't ever want to go back, counting only those familiar with both. I would assume that no one born post 1970, would want LSD? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porkscratching Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, kevinlms said: I would assume that no one born post 1970, would want LSD? Yikes.. Tried it once, never again! 😁 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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