georgeT Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Morning Bodgit, Major re-think on the track at 'Ashcombe' l think it will be harder than at first thought, l would ruin most of the scenery etc etc, so will keep the peco track, will build the track on the next project... As l have bought the parts needed to build the track l thought l would have a go, first downloaded a point template from TEMPLOT then stuck it to a board, then more double-sided tape to hold the sleepers in place, then l thought why not build three, jump right in there, hahaha George Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted September 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2014 In at the deep end or what One thing that I learned very quickly is that where the switch blade meets the curved rail, put a slight outwards kink / joggle in the curved rail so that the blade sits in properly and does not sit proud when the straight route is selected. If you look at real points, they do have this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock67B Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Morning George, Brave man but I can't wait to watch the progress. Good 'pointer' from Jason there! Best of luck, looking forward to the photographs of your progress. Jason kindly offered to advise me on the old SMP plastic base point kits so I've got my grandson up in the loft to try to find one so I can put pics on the lounge! Only want to use them for financial reasons! Kind regards, Jock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold nest Posted September 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2014 Well now I HAVE to have go... Good luck with it George Nestor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeT Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Morning Jason / Nestor / Jock, Thanks for the tip Jason, l can really say l am enjoying it, amazing how quick it comes together, l have just spot soldered along the main lines at the moment, but the frogs needs a bit of thinking about, l know you can buy the frogs already made but they are really expensive, and that would defeat the reason for building cheap in the first place, l think l can file the frogs etc myself, if it don't work l'll do it again... George Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted September 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2014 It's easy to build the frogs George, and the pre-made ones cost a fortune. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/37678-handbuilt-track/page-2 Read through this first; it saved me a fortune Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeT Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Hello Jason, thanks for the link mate, very helpful.... George Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted September 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2014 One thing that I learned very quickly is that where the switch blade meets the curved rail, up a slight outwards kink / joggle in the curved rail so that the blade sits in properly and dies not sit proud when the straight route is selected. If you look at real points, they do have this. Hi George, It's called the "set" and it's marked on the Templot templates: It's a definite sharp bend in the rail at that position, not just a curve. Without it you will never get the switch blades to fit properly, as Jason explained. Here's a picture of that bend on the prototype: The angle of the bend is quite small, called the switch deflection angle -- you can check it by measuring between the outer stock rails where it says "stock gauge" on the template. That distance should be your track gauge size plus the width of one rail. You can check it by fitting an oddment of rail into your track gauge. Here's a simple way to make that bend: regards, Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tender Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Hi George. I dont want to stop you while your in full swing but have a look at a step by step i did. The link is in my signature. Others have done this too - Gordon S. There's pictures of building a frog as per Brians method, Jasons/Martins set and how to file switch blades that Alan Mellor showed me. I see your building from the outside in towards the frog. This can have problems as there is no room for errors, ie you run out of space. Better to build from the frog out. I.e frog, wing rails, check rails, then stock rails. No doubt, i'll get shouted down for this, but that's how i've been told to do it from many who are more experienced than me. Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobster Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Nice work there George. Cheers, Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted September 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2014 In at the deep end or what One thing that I learned very quickly is that where the switch blade meets the curved rail, put a slight outwards kink / joggle in the curved rail so that the blade sits in properly and does not sit proud when the straight route is selected. If you look at real points, they do have this. The kink is known as a set, the stock rail is bent at the same angle as the blade is planned so the blade will lie snugly against it the curve continues from the end of the set. A joggle is a wiggle in the rail if you place two pices of shim either side of the rail and squeeze in the vice it will produce a joggle (works with bullhead probably not with fb) this can avoid the wheels hitting the blade tip on a facing point. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeT Posted September 18, 2014 Author Share Posted September 18, 2014 Good Morning Martin / Ray / Jason / Bob / Don, Thanks for all the information and help, shining a light on the dark area of making track, have a lot to learn yet but with all your help and support, should get there soon ? With the switch rails l was going to file a little recess where the blades could fit into ? George Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted September 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2014 George this is a jig I made for the crossings This one is for 1:5.5 crossings on 0 gauge. Just a simple bit of wood with the crossing drawn on and some nails driven in to hold the rails. With copperclad you can build the crossing on the template but with plastic chairs you need to do the soldering first. Regarding filling a small recess for the blade. Yes it will work but the joggle is more prototypical. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted September 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2014 It won't work anywhere near as the method described above George, you may get stock to run through but it will not be smooth. Putting the slight bend in is a far better way of doing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeT Posted September 18, 2014 Author Share Posted September 18, 2014 Well now armed with more information from the Gang l have made my FIRST frog, and the wagons seem to roll over it fine... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Hi George, nice bit of work mate, I will have a go when I start on the next project after Bitton, so many years away yet, hahahah Bodge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold nest Posted September 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2014 Hi George It's looking really good. I think I will definitely have to have a go but not for Sandhurst but maybe a small little diorama of some kind. Might resurrect Fulking Road... Good luck with the rest of it Nestor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted September 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2014 That looks good to me George I always check with a straight edge that the crossing nose is not slightly pround of the line from the running rail. I have a short 6in steel rule and place it along the rails to check. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeT Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 Morning Andy / Nestor / Don, Yes l am really pleased with my first efforts at trackmaking wish l had done it years ago, just need to clean up the soldering and not put so much on, great fun. George Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock67B Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 George, To save me repeating it too many times, I've put a post about my health on the 'lounge', good news! Great effort on the track work mate - very brave! Kind regards, Jock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock67B Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Morning George, It just occurred to me that I can't see any electrical breaks on the surface of the sleepers. Do you have a plan for this or were the above pics purely for testing purposes? Or on the other hand am I just being stupid? Kind regards, Jock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeT Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 Morning Jock, l think we are all stupid at sometime during construction of whatever ? l was stupid not looking into making tracks, didn't notice that you would need a kink (set) in the rail to make the switch rail fit nicely, just went about it willy-nilly as l do, then more knowledgeable members on here (Jason - Ray - Martin - Don) to name a few who have kindly put me right, the electrical breaks etc etc will be added when completed.. Regards George Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeT Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 l know, l know its far too big for 'Ashcombe' but l love em' 92192 makes an impression posing in the fluorescent sunshine ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 l know, l know its far too big for 'Ashcombe' but l love em' 92192 makes an impression posing in the fluorescent sunshine ? I think I can see the trackbed sinking! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobster Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Very nice George, Impressive loco - Never too big in my book Cheers, Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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