barrowroad Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 John, Robin, I'll be at S4N on the Sunday. It would be great to meet and have a chat if you're going to be there. Dave. Should be there with John and Morgan on Sunday Robin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 ..... and here's the finished article ...... Nothing much happening on Worseter at the moment but I have done all the 'building work' for the fancy dust cover. Now waiting on Steph to doing the sewing bit! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Killybegs Posted April 15, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2017 I thought it was about time that these two met up on Worseter for the first time! 40 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted April 15, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2017 Brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Things have been a bit quiet on the modelling front for the last month but I have made a start on some wagons that will sit on the front siding. I started by building a Parkside Dundas Grampus but then realised it was fitted and I wanted mine unfitted and the brake gear therefore wasn't correct. I asked Justin Newett (Rumney Models) if he had anything suitable, to which he replied that, yes I could use something from one of his kits. However he also said that he would be bringing out a Grampus chassis later in the year and that was just too tempting. So the Grampus was set aside for the time being. There will also be a few coal wagons sitting on that siding, waiting to go up on to the coaling ramp, so I decided I might as well 'super detail' those as well. Good practice for the Grampus! Two welded and one riveted body were assembled and 'improved' while I waited for the etches to arrive. The Parkside Dundas 109 didn't need much work but the Airfix 108's required a bit more. Here is the first one sitting on its chassis. 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Photographs are very good at showing up faults. I hadn't noticed how badley the bottoms of the corner frames are moulded, not even reaching the bottom of the sides. These have now been cut back, filled with styrene and files to shape. The airfix body is actually too narrow and I had to file back the wagon side support brackets as they were sitting out way to far. They do appear to project a little bit on the prototype but it is difficult to see by how much from photographs. The eagle eyed may also have spotted that one of the door springs had got bent in, that's now been put right as well. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 .....The airfix body is actually too narrow .... I wonder if the Parkside body is the same? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 I wonder if the Parkside body is the same? I don't have one but, looking at the photo on the Rumney Models web site, they don't look as bad. However, the moulding generally doesn't look as crisp as the Airfix. The door framing on the Airfix is, however, over done and needs thinning down. There are actually three thicknesses of door framing. I reduced everything to the middle thickness then built up the thickest and further reduced the thinnest (at the side eadges of the doors and not moulded on the Parkside Dundas version). The Airfix one needs the hinges and door catches modifying. I also reduced the thickness of the sides, but only for the top 4mm as the wagons will be loaded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Wot! no floor flange? P 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Wot! no floor flange? 16tMinAfix-Dap-06-EditSm.jpg P Flange, wot flange? Do you mean this one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Nah. This one. and this one. (with added dents). I do like a bit of flange. The sun highlights them quite well in this pic. 65879 Seaton Bank 4.9.67 by George Woods, on Flickr P 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I don't have one but, looking at the photo on the Rumney Models web site, they don't look as bad. Website seems to be down at the moment: "Error establishing a database connection", it says. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike G Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 No problem here Ivan...all good with the website Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 No problem here Ivan...all good with the website Probably a flaw in my PC, then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 Nah. This one. 16tMinAfix-Dap-09-AbitOflange.gif and this one. (with added dents). 16tMinAfix-Dap-11-edit.jpg I do like a bit of flange. The sun highlights them quite well in this pic. 65879 Seaton Bank 4.9.67 by George Woods, on Flickr P Fair comment! It seems that while most had the flange, some didn't, possible those built by Pressed Steel. Needless to say it was a photo of one of those that I had in front of me! Humble pie eaten. Obviously I have a bit more work to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 Flanges now added. Thanks Porcy. That's a great photo for detail by the way. Most shots are side on only. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) Lovely. The phots I have of Pressed Steel 16 tonners all have the flange. This is a detail of Ex. works Pressed Steel minfiits. My thoughts are, most probably all of the welded had the flange as it's an extension of the floor plate to which the upper body was welded, the exception being the re-bodies, the majority of which had the distinctive floor rolled into the sides. (With the increasing use of profile burning at wagon works.) It's one of those things that once you know it's there it sticks out (pun intended) like the proverbial saw thumb. 48423 Rose Grove May 1968 by George Woods, on Flickr Somebody is now going to post a photo to blow all my theories out of the water. P Edited May 18, 2017 by Porcy Mane 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Holt Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Flanges now added. Thanks Porcy. That's a great photo for detail by the way. Most shots are side on only. Mineral 04.jpg John, How did you actually do that? 5 thou plastic card? Is it just added to the bottom edge of the body or is it on the front face? Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Things have been a bit quiet on the modelling front for the last month but I have made a start on some wagons that will sit on the front siding. I started by building a Parkside Dundas Grampus but then realised it was fitted and I wanted mine unfitted and the brake gear therefore wasn't correct. I asked Justin Newett (Rumney Models) if he had anything suitable, to which he replied that, yes I could use something from one of his kits. However he also said that he would be bringing out a Grampus chassis later in the year and that was just too tempting. So the Grampus was set aside for the time being. There will also be a few coal wagons sitting on that siding, waiting to go up on to the coaling ramp, so I decided I might as well 'super detail' those as well. Good practice for the Grampus!Two welded and one riveted body were assembled and 'improved' while I waited for the etches to arrive. The Parkside Dundas 109 didn't need much work but the Airfix 108's required a bit more. Here is the first one sitting on its chassis.Mineral 01.jpgMineral 02.jpg Grampus chassis? I was under the impression that Justin was doing a 4mm version of his 7mm details etch but the chassis of as well? WIBBLE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Flanges now added. Thanks Porcy. That's a great photo for detail by the way. Most shots are side on only.Mineral 04.jpg Another tasty morsel to add to the data file, merci Monster Porty. Splendidly done on this beastie as well, wagon port par excellence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 More great pics and you may well be right about rebodying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 John, How did you actually do that? 5 thou plastic card? Is it just added to the bottom edge of the body or is it on the front face? Dave. Yes, it's a strip of 5 thou plastic card fixed to the underside of the body between the side support brackets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 Having finished the second 108, I have now started work on a 109 chassis and I need a little help. The etch includes body support brackets that project from the solebar to the bottom of the stanchions. Looking at various photographs, it looks as though there may be a vertical gusset between the back of the stanchions and the solebar as part of the support bracket. It's an area that is not easy to see, so it could be my imagination. Any advice from the experts out there would me much appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 As a result of discussions on the 16t Minerals thread and with Justin of Rumney Models, I have now added gussets to the support brackets on the 109. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 (edited) Three 16t minerals waiting to be taken to the paint shop! Ooops one of those bodies is on the wrong way round! Edited June 7, 2017 by Killybegs 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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