rapidobill Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Fifty shades of grey? (UK spelling!) Could be worse - try matching shades of yellow................... Cheers, Mick You say Tomato, and I say..... I had to deal with yellows as well! :>) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danim Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) Out of curiosity is there a way that the DCC chip can be altered to give us the ability to switch tc1 and tc2 lighting on and off like we have with the cab lighting Edited May 11, 2016 by Danim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Out of curiosity is there a way that the DCC chip can be altered to give us the ability to switch tc1 and tc2 lighting on and off like we have with the cab lighting Bill would know for sure, but I don't think so. The Trailer Car lights run directly off the power bus that runs through the roof of the vehicle and there's not enough bus lines to switch extra functions in the trailer cars. I suppose a magnetic reed switch in each Trailer Car wired into the vehicle lighting circuit would do the job, with the aid of a small magnet on a pole....... [That's my ancient level of technology coming to the fore I'm afraid, back in the 70s reed switches were THE thing. ] 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UP 4000 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Sorry No, the TC lighting is direct off the track power and integrated into the circuit board, part of the wiring harness. I tried to see if the connection could be broken an fit both cars with a small function decoder to turn each one on or off and turn the brightness down a bit. Bit to awkward for me, Regards Craig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danim Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Bill would know for sure, but I don't think so. The Trailer Car lights run directly off the power bus that runs through the roof of the vehicle and there's not enough bus lines to switch extra functions in the trailer cars. I suppose a magnetic reed switch in each Trailer Car wired into the vehicle lighting circuit would do the job, with the aid of a small magnet on a pole....... [That's my ancient level of technology coming to the fore I'm afraid, back in the 70s reed switches were THE thing. ] Although the Faller Car System still uses Reed Switches and if Bill could suggest how to do it I might give it ago also was this building used by the APT department at any time http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_05_2016/post-7477-0-23457500-1462910759.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apt-e Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Hi All, I have spent some time going through all my extensive E train material, official docs and so on, and have found that the paint ordered for E train was from Wilkinsons of Rotherham, internal code R478, so the one thing we can now say for sure is, she isn't BR blue. When the train was repainted in 2002/3 we had to use a close match as the exact mix for R478 had been lost in time, so Wilkinsons supplied us with the very nearest colour match of the train at the time, although slightly darker to take into account may years of fade. Id like to say, Ive added that to the mix, but that would be a pun lol. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John ks Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 This is an educated guess , I haven't opened my APT-E but using some logic and guess work I think the following might be close to correct If you put TC1 or TC2 on the track by themselves i.e. with one articulated bogie on the track and the other end on a block then the interior lights do work, I've done this In tc1 & 2 there are circuit boards, at each end of this circuit board are ten pin plugs to connect to the next vehicle So there should be 10 PCB(printed circuit board) tracks on the circuit board running the full length of the board Logic/ guesswork tells me that they are for Rail left Rail right PC2 motor + PC2 motor - PC2 cablight PC2 headlight PC2 taillight Function common Speaker + Speaker - some where on these boards will be coach lights (LEDS with Resistors) Worst case is as shown below, each circle represent a light Each light will have to be isolated from the rail power by cutting the PCB track on both sides of each light This is not a job for the faint hearted The easy way is if rapido made provision for the coach lights to be isolated by cutting/removing bridges, the next drawing is how this could work Of coarse I could be completely wrong Best of luck John 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 11, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 11, 2016 An hello to say that after paying my balance on Easter Saturday at the York Show the APT-E has just arrived. Have not yet opened the big box, but will be doing so shortly. I shall refer to this thread if I get stuck on anything. Best regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmotrutta Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Hi All, I have spent some time going through all my extensive E train material, official docs and so on, and have found that the paint ordered for E train was from Wilkinsons of Rotherham, internal code R478, so the one thing we can now say for sure is, she isn't BR blue. When the train was repainted in 2002/3 we had to use a close match as the exact mix for R478 had been lost in time, so Wilkinsons supplied us with the very nearest colour match of the train at the time, although slightly darker to take into account may years of fade. Id like to say, Ive added that to the mix, but that would be a pun lol. Paul Thanks Paul for the information! And also thanks for all you have done to preserve the APT-E ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UP 4000 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 This is an educated guess , I haven't opened my APT-E but using some logic and guess work I think the following might be close to correct If you put TC1 or TC2 on the track by themselves i.e. with one articulated bogie on the track and the other end on a block then the interior lights do work, I've done this In tc1 & 2 there are circuit boards, at each end of this circuit board are ten pin plugs to connect to the next vehicle So there should be 10 PCB(printed circuit board) tracks on the circuit board running the full length of the board Logic/ guesswork tells me that they are for Rail left Rail right PC2 motor + PC2 motor - PC2 cablight PC2 headlight PC2 taillight Function common Speaker + Speaker - some where on these boards will be coach lights (LEDS with Resistors) Worst case is as shown below, each circle represent a light Each light will have to be isolated from the rail power by cutting the PCB track on both sides of each light pcb apt.jpg This is not a job for the faint hearted The easy way is if rapido made provision for the coach lights to be isolated by cutting/removing bridges, the next drawing is how this could work pcb apt 2.jpg Of coarse I could be completely wrong Best of luck John Hi John, Great bit of info, but the main problem is identifying where the connections are. The pcb board not only carries the lights, it's also the backbone to the E-Train, and there's a lot going on in a small space. Here's a couple of pictures if anyone could see where the connections are it would be greatly appreciated. I was going to use ESU's Lokpilot fx, purely to keep everything the same and easy to setup on the lokprogrammer, theres enough space under the seats in the belly area and you could run the wires up the centre partition as it's got blacked out windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Although the Faller Car System still uses Reed Switches and if Bill could suggest how to do it I might give it ago also was this building used by the APT department at any time http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_05_2016/post-7477-0-23457500-1462910759.jpg Yes, that's Hartley House on the opposite side of the road to the main bit of the RTC. It was the centre for the Scientific Services Divsion when I was there, and my wife worked there for a bit too. Hi All, I have spent some time going through all my extensive E train material, official docs and so on, and have found that the paint ordered for E train was from Wilkinsons of Rotherham, internal code R478, so the one thing we can now say for sure is, she isn't BR blue. When the train was repainted in 2002/3 we had to use a close match as the exact mix for R478 had been lost in time, so Wilkinsons supplied us with the very nearest colour match of the train at the time, although slightly darker to take into account may years of fade. Id like to say, Ive added that to the mix, but that would be a pun lol. Paul Why ever did we do that? How crazy when the normal BR Blue was available by the gallon. I sense the hand of the BR Design Centre here, they were a bit prone to handing down edicts, not that we took much notice of them of course. Although the Faller Car System still uses Reed Switches and if Bill could suggest how to do it I might give it ago also was this building used by the APT department at any time http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_05_2016/post-7477-0-23457500-1462910759.jpg Yes, that's Hartley House on the opposite side of the road to the main bit of the RTC. It was the centre for the Scientific Services Divsion when I was there, and my wife worked there for a bit too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 11, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 11, 2016 Hi. Well, I've got the model coupled without problems and it is running perfectly. I am very pleased with it, and just wish to thank everyone involved with it. It could well be the model of the year. With best regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John ks Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 The area circled in red might be the key area for connecting a decoder But without a close up look at the PCB it hard to be sure and I don't think there is enough detail in the image. Probably not much help but that's the best I can do for now. .For me its 2.00AM now & way past my bed time John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UP 4000 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 I think I've found the connections, they are both just left of the D, D1 and D3. Don't think I have the bottle to try that yet! Regards Craig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loickebros Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 I think I've found the connections, they are both just left of the D, D1 and D3. Don't think I have the bottle to try that yet! Regards Craig. Why not get in touch with Charlie Petty to find out if spare board is available in case it all goes horribly wrong? Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srihaggis Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 And here was me thinking it was a load of wires running from coach to coach with some leds in the roof... thats my idea for on/off lighting gone out the window Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UP 4000 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) Well I bit the bullet, I cut the connections, The lights went out, A bit of buzzing, but I came round after a couple of minutes, So I tried an old decoder, It got fried some years ago, no sound but motor works on it and in time can create its own smoke, Who needs a smoke generator! Wired the pcb board up as follows, There is tabs on the board to solder to marked L and R which is what the leds were connected to, Right side I wired to track 1 RED Left side track 2 BLACK led side on right track to front headlight WHITE led side on left track to track 2 BLUE Now the funny thing is nothing blew up, Headlight off but leds on but dim, headlight on and back to full brightness. There's something wrong somewhere, could be decoder, how I've wired it, or maybe not just possible. More testing is needed and if anybody has any thoughts, Please let me, and everybody else who wants to try this know. Ideally any info off Bill or Jason on the setup of the pcb board would be greatly appreciated, Rapido pushed the boundary's on developing and building the E-Train, now it's time for us to push her further!!! Anyway boards safe, can easily solder over the cut, If I need to. Regards Craig. Edited June 8, 2016 by UP 4000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srihaggis Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) After reading your attempt, without looking at it closer, I would try to wire it this way, but at your own risk of course as I don't have the board to hand to examine. On one of the centre bogies, solder an additional feed from each pickup, run these direct to the appropiate wires on your decoder (power + & Power -) Assuming the lighting circuit isn't a "Circuit" eg if you follow the tracks from where you made the cut, follow it to the last LED, do the circuit/tracks carry on or end in mid air?? If the latter then solder the two wires to the function part of the decoder. The colours I have forgotten at the moment however i'm sure you know what I mean. That will only work for 1 coach, so you would need 2 decoders if it works! I don't have the guts to do any of the above, I bought an on/off switch for an isolated section of track for my E-Train! Edited May 11, 2016 by srihaggis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UP 4000 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 After reading your attempt, without looking at it closer, I would try to wire it this way, but at your own risk of course as I don't have the board to hand to examine. On one of the centre bogies, solder an additional feed from each pickup, run these direct to the appropiate wires on your decoder (power + & Power -) Assuming the lighting circuit isn't a "Circuit" eg if you follow the tracks from where you made the cut, follow it to the last LED, do the circuit/tracks carry on or end in mid air?? If the latter then solder the two wires to the function part of the decoder. The colours I have forgotten at the moment however i'm sure you know what I mean. That will only work for 1 coach, so you would need 2 decoders if it works! I don't have the guts to do any of the above, I bought an on/off switch for an isolated section of track for my E-Train! Hi, From what I can tell all the leds return feed come back to the resistor/diode matrix where I made the cut, and the positive is individually fed, there's no need to touch the bogie unit everything is on the pcb board, you can add/remove and rotate the bogie units without any problem, sometimes it's easier removing a pre connected bogie unit and place it on the troublesome TC or PC if you are having issue's connecting the units. I am using an additional coach unit to try this on so both E-Trains are safe, worst case if it all goes wrong I'll black out the windows and call it the sleeping car! Regards Craig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Hawkins Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Hi. Well, I've got the model coupled without problems and it is running perfectly. I am very pleased with it, and just wish to thank everyone involved with it. It could well be the model of the year. With best regards, Rob. It WILL be the model of the year without a shadow of doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apt-e Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) Hi All, Just a bit of fun, been working on my POP train model, and just had to do this.......... APT story pretty much from start to finish, need to make an HSFV1 to complete the set, next job when POP1 and POP2 are finished. Paul APT-E Conservation & Support Group. Hope the photos work ok, never tried it before. Edited May 11, 2016 by apt-e 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apt-e Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) Thanks Paul for the information! And also thanks for all you have done to preserve the APT-E ... Many at the time within the NRM called us mad for taking on E train, with general low grade remarks about it being in the national collection, one high up person (renames nameless), said, and I quote "We will never see tilting trains in this country" and it should have never been built. LOL, I always remind said person when I see him about that quote. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but its a good job I was there that day, or things would be very different now. Its so nice to hear people talking about the APT and starting to realise what a step forward it was, and how the media got it wrong. Thanks for the comments about the model and the real thing, always a joy to hear. Edited May 11, 2016 by apt-e 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 4.jpg Hi All, Just a bit of fun, been working on my POP train model, and just had to do this.......... APT story pretty much from start to finish, need to make an HSFV1 to complete the set, next job when POP1 and POP2 are finished. Paul APT-E Conservation & Support Group. Hope the photos work ok, never tried it before. 3.jpg2.jpg1.jpg You need a Hastings Coach and a Trestrol as well as HSFV1 Paul................ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apt-e Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 You need a Hastings Coach and a Trestrol as well as HSFV1 Paul................ LOL Kit, I will add them to the list, Trestrol, OH god help me!!!! Hastings, I am already in the early stages of doing the design work, need your help on it. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted May 11, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 11, 2016 You need a Hastings Coach and a Trestrol as well as HSFV1 Paul................ And a 3D Kit hanging off the POP Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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