Class 800 - Updates

[DavidB-AU]

Adelaide had bike space on suburban trains in the 70s and early 80s. Not the best photo but the only one I could find on Flickr.

 

 

Unfortunately when those cars were withdrawn, management decided that more seats were a better use of space than bikes.

 

Cheers

David

[phil-b259]

On 14/08/2019 at 21:44, Mallard60022 said:

Actually, might HS2 be built to a gauge height to allow DD trains? Nah, I already know the answer to that one......

Clever thinking here.....presumably in Holland or Belgium?

I.N. Nertube

 

 

HS2 infrastructure WILL be built to allow double deck trains in future. The problem is that until the full network (London - Birmingham - Manchester / Leeds) is up and running it’s not economic to order a tiny number of specialist trains to shuttle between London and Birmingham. As such all trains for the initial batch or services will have to fit within the UK loading gauge (which means they can subsequently be redeployed on through workings from the rest of the UK rail network as HS2 expands).

[37114]

On 14/08/2019 at 21:39, Mallard60022 said:

Person that designed that has got a front plug hole adapter...……….

Fumbling down there next to some passengers could be interesting...…..or dangerous?

P

Unless they are set further back than the GWR ones it is not that bad, have used them loads of time and have never inadvertently touched the passenger next to me. Most other passengers do as I do and move their legs over when the other person is plugging in.

[4630]

I don't suppose this is/will be a common occurrence - 801112 leaves York on 22nd August with its front coupling hatch wide open whilst working 5Q73, 09.36 Doncaster to Darlington...

 

The hatch at the other end of the unit was closed.

[royaloak]

The hatch should auto close at about 15mph, if it is open above that then there is a fault, operationally its not an issue though, it just makes it a bit noisier in the cab at speed.

[Mallard60022]

11 minutes ago, royaloak said:

The hatch should auto close at about 15mph, if it is open above that then there is a fault, operationally its not an issue though, it just makes it a bit noisier in the cab at speed.

 

27 minutes ago, 4630 said:

I don't suppose this is/will be a common occurrence - 801112 leaves York on 22nd August with its front coupling hatch wide open whilst working 5Q73, 09.36 Doncaster to Darlington...

 

The hatch at the other end of the unit was closed.

'Flying low'?

P

[4630]

23 minutes ago, royaloak said:

The hatch should auto close at about 15mph, if it is open above that then there is a fault, operationally its not an issue though, it just makes it a bit noisier in the cab at speed.

 

Thanks for that additional bit of info.  

 

I’d judge the speed to be above 15MPH by the time it passed me so possibly a fault then which would show up in the cab (on the TMS if I’ve got that right?)

[royaloak]

Correct, it will show as a yellow fault on the TMS, plus the 'forward prep' (blue) light will be lit on the desk.

 

took a 10 car from Laira to Plymouth today and had 10 pages of 'events', all the same event causing the master alarm to sound continuously as the faults were occurring faster than I could cancel them, not distracting at all!

Edited August 23, 2019 by royaloak

[4630]

2 minutes ago, royaloak said:

Correct, it will show as a yellow fault on the TMS, plus the 'forward prep' (blue) light will be lit on the desk.

 

took a 10 car from Laira to Plymouth today and had 10 pages of 'events', all the same event causing the master alarm to sound continuously as the faults were occurring faster than I could cancel them, not distracting at all!

 

I didn’t know whether to select ‘thanks’ for your reply, or ‘supportive’ to recognise your pain of having to drive the damn thing in that condition!

[Coryton]

44 minutes ago, royaloak said:

The hatch should auto close at about 15mph, if it is open above that then there is a fault, operationally its not an issue though, it just makes it a bit noisier in the cab at speed.

 

And looks pretty ugly...

[royaloak]

8 minutes ago, 4630 said:

 

I didn’t know whether to select ‘thanks’ for your reply, or ‘supportive’ to recognise your pain of having to drive the damn thing in that condition!

One of Hitachis mobile techs met us at plymouth and spent about 40 minutes fixing the faults (mainly spent walking up and down the train tripping and resetting MCBs), luckily it could be done on the move with a couple of less important things isolated so the train could carry on in service with the alarm silenced, he had it all sorted by the time we got to Newton Abbot.

 

My finger hurt after pressing the acknowledge button a couple of hundred times in 10 minutes! 

 

It is very unusual for things like this to happen now and they have settled down to be mildly annoying instead of completely annoying! 

[royaloak]

12 minutes ago, Coryton said:

 

And looks pretty ugly...

But the passengers oops I mean customers arent really interested in that, they just want to get from A to B on time and in comfort, one out of two isnt bad!

 

If you ever get the chance to see the nose cone opening or closing keep an eye on how close the hatch gets to the orange shore supply box, it is bloomin close and I have actually seen them come into contact a couple of times.

 

Edit-

It still looks much better than the mark 5 driving trailers, they are dog ugly!

Edited August 23, 2019 by royaloak

[TravisM]

Are GWR 800001 and 800002 now in passenger service as I was talking to someone today from Reading and he said that they were still on test with Network Rail, Hitachi and GWR?

Edited August 23, 2019 by jools1959

[caradoc]

13 hours ago, royaloak said:

The hatch should auto close at about 15mph, if it is open above that then there is a fault, operationally its not an issue though, it just makes it a bit noisier in the cab at speed.

 

If it doesn't close it will make an excellent fly and pigeon catcher !

[HillsideDepot]

12 hours ago, jools1959 said:

Are GWR 800001 and 800002 now in passenger service as I was talking to someone today from Reading and he said that they were still on test with Network Rail, Hitachi and GWR?

 

Both are now in traffic, 002 being a very recent entry. The Past and Present BR43s/800 Super Express All Enthusiasts Group on Facebook is showing

Quote

800007 and 800002

10:00 Bristol Temple Meads - London Paddington 
12:30 London Paddington - Weston-Super-Mare
15:00 Weston-Super-Mare - London Paddington 
17:45 London Paddington - Carmarthen
21:55 Carmarthen to Swansea Maliphant IEP Depot

May change though

for 800002 today.

[rodent279]

I guess we forget that the HST's didn't have a trouble free entry into service. It was some years before they had all bugs fixed, defects ironed out, and were really settled down into reliable service.

[JJGraphics]

5 hours ago, rodent279 said:

I guess we forget that the HST's didn't have a trouble free entry into service. It was some years before they had all bugs fixed, defects ironed out, and were really settled down into reliable service.

 

But at least the seats were not rock hard!

[caradoc]

9 hours ago, rodent279 said:

I guess we forget that the HST's didn't have a trouble free entry into service. It was some years before they had all bugs fixed, defects ironed out, and were really settled down into reliable service.

 

And an additional type of coach had to be built to give the Guard somewhere comfy to sit !

[Zomboid]

4 hours ago, JJGraphics said:

 

But at least the seats were not rock hard!

They were pretty universally loathed though, weren't they?

[TravisM]

I’m not sure how correct this is, but I was talking to a Hull Trains driver on Friday when they we’re doing their 800 training and he said the the seats on their 802’s will be more comfortable because as they are a open access operator and they don’t have to stay with the DfT’s specifications regarding seating.

 

It seems that Hull Trains have listened to the criticism and attempting to win extra revenue with comfortable seats.  How true this is, is open to speculation but I hope it’s true.

[Siberian Snooper]

5 hours ago, jools1959 said:

I’m not sure how correct this is, but I was talking to a Hull Trains driver on Friday when they we’re doing their 800 training and he said the the seats on their 802’s will be more comfortable because as they are a open access operator and they don’t have to stay with the DfT’s specifications regarding seating.

 

It seems that Hull Trains have listened to the criticism and attempting to win extra revenue with comfortable seats.  How true this is, is open to speculation but I hope it’s true.

 

Mr Duck, may be able to give us an informed verdict once they enter service.

 

 

[Richard E]

The trouble is the limited stopping places on Hull Trains, many folk have no choice other than the LNER services.

[andy stroud]

On 25/08/2019 at 12:26, rodent279 said:

I guess we forget that the HST's didn't have a trouble free entry into service. It was some years before they had all bugs fixed, defects ironed out, and were really settled down into reliable service.

 

Without doubt, that is correct. However, apart from the very early prototypes like 10000 etc, at the time of introduction of HSTs, the uk had only about twenty years experience with designing and building diesel trains. Move on forty years and these Hitachi trains should be benefitting from a massive amount of already proven technolgy gained through worldwide experience.

[iands]

1 hour ago, andy stroud said:

 

Without doubt, that is correct. However, apart from the very early prototypes like 10000 etc, at the time of introduction of HSTs, the uk had only about twenty years experience with designing and building diesel trains. Move on forty years and these Hitachi trains should be benefitting from a massive amount of already proven technolgy gained through worldwide experience.

And given the fact that Hitachi themselves have been building trains for over 100 years, there should be a lot of experience/knowledge available within that company (acknowledging that no one person in Hitachi will have been building trains that long, just the knowledge base/history/records etc., - you get my drift).  

[Zomboid]

Which would be great if we wanted a train from 40 years ago.