Talyllyn Junction. The Station area has been started!

[Jintyman]

Hmmm, I'm a bit lost now, and it doesn't take a lot to confuse me. So to keep it simple does the configuration below look OK ?

 

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Regards,

 

Martyn.

 

 

Looks more in keeping with what Miss P said Martyn.

Nice work.

 

Jinty

[2ManySpams]

There is an article here:    http://www.clag.org.uk/green09.html

 

 

More involved information here:    http://www.irse.org/minorrailways/publicdocuments/PA01%20-%20Mechanically%20Operated%20Points%20v2.pdf

 

 

I've only just found the latter this morning, so I will have a ponder before continuing.

Talyllyn did have a recess in at least one place on the platforms, so the compensators I've already done can stay. Thanks for the information Miss P.

I'm puzzled that Talyllyn had two compensators from the signal box to the turnout in the tunnel as, according to my reading, with the distance it could of been dealt with without any compensators. Or is it because it is on a curve?

 

Jinty

That second link looks very useful Jinty. Explains matters in a quite straightforward way.

[Miss Prism]

Hmmm, I'm a bit lost now, and it doesn't take a lot to confuse me. So to keep it simple does the configuration below look OK ?

 

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Yes, that's good.

[P.C.M]

Nice work on the rodding Jinty. As you probably know the Compensators change the direction of the pull. From memory each run should be about 50 50 push pull as it makes it easier for the signalman when pulling the leaver in the box. 

 

Cheers Peter.

[St Enodoc]

Nice work on the rodding Jinty. As you probably know the Compensators change the direction of the pull. From memory each run should be about 50 50 push pull as it makes it easier for the signalman when pulling the leaver in the box. 

 

Cheers Peter.

The primary purpose of compensators is to compensate (obviously!) for expansion and contraction of the rods as temperature varied.

[coachmann]

Good idea having the platform fronts laser cut. Personally, I would find it easier and far less expensive cutting them from 60 or 80thou Plastikard.....although platforms in 7mm are a daunting thought even on a good day haha.

[P.C.M]

The primary purpose of compensators is to compensate (obviously!) for expansion and contraction of the rods as temperature varied.

Agree John, I should have said  Also change direction.

[rlwynut]

Good evening all,

 

Rested and relaxed, from being on top of that Welsh mountain, then stressed up to the hilt as soon as the break was over!!!!

Oh well, that's life!!!

 

On a bit of a downer as well, I'd made a bit of a boo boo with the platforms on Talyllyn.

I'd actually made the uprights about 3mm too high which was a bit of a schoolboy error, but it needed addressing.

 

So I've ripped up all of the platform sub-structure on both sides and cleared the decks.

I also had a thought, dangerous I know, but I thought that it may be so much easier if I got the point rodding, signal wire and pulleys all in place prior to putting the reworked platform sub-structure in place.

Glad I did now as making up and fitting the likes of the compensators would of been nigh on impossible once the platforms were in place. So at least a little positive from a negative, which is always a bonus.

 

I've started with the twin rodding run alongside platform 2 which is the turnout in the tunnel and it's associated FPL.

I might of worked it out wrong, but in the total run from the signal box to the turnout and FPL I can see two compensators in photographs along the whole run. So I've started on the first section from the box to the first compensator.

 

Here are a couple of pictures of progress:

 

 

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And a cruel close-up of the first compensator, probably incorrect, but it's going to be shadowed considerably by the platform.

 

 

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I've also had the distinct pleasure of two stunning Ground signals from Jon Fitness delivered this week.

He does such an excellent job of them, his craftsmanship is second to none.

 

I will take a couple of pictures of them, and the recent home signal on the Merthyr line that I haven't taken a picture of yet!!!

 

I have also received a Megapoints board with which to control the signals, I just need to make up a proper control panel now, to fit the buttons and LEDs to.

I have decided to work my Cobalt IP Digital point motors via push button only, not via DCC control. I prefer the option of pushing a button to change the points rather than typing in an address into my handset, this means I will be able to put my Multimaus controller back into service as a slave controller. I will power the Cobalts via a 12v DC transformer and the frog switching will be via a Hex Frog Juicer as most of them already are.

 

I am having the platform framework (sub-structure) laser cut for me for accuracy, then I will clad the platform edging with the Slaters stone sheets I already have.

 

 

More pictures very soon

 

Jinty

 

 

EDITED: To say I've just spotted a chair missing, how did that happen?????

Hi Jinty

Just a thought from Canada.

When you redo your platform, maybe use some rigid foam as a base. we can get it here in 25mm, 32mm and 50mm thick here. Check at your local DYI store and see if they carry it.  You can cut it to shape a then attach your face stone work and platform top using PVA glue. 

Just a thought.

Cheers

Rlwynut

[bescotbeast]

Bostin update Jinty, the point rodding looks exquisite and really adds to the over all realism.

[The Stationmaster]

David,

 

The compensators look ok to me (I’m not claiming expert status here!!!) but I wonder if the left hand one (further from the track) would not have been partially superimposed over the other - I’m pretty sure I’ve seen this in a photo, but no idea where, and th3 details are a bit hazy.

 

It impacts on Chris for the same reason, there would have to be a pocket in the platform face to accommodate it. Maybe a call to Stationmaster Mike?

 

Best

Simon

 

You called sir. (alas I tend not to watch the 7mm threads unless called, sorry) .  So some pics -

here is one way of arranging comps - albeit on a heritage type railway but fairly typical to almost WR practice (and it includes two Reading pattern comp cranks - they have little hats over the bearings and one BS pattern)

 

 

Note how the rods remain level and don;t need to be stepped over anything as the comp sits below the level of the rodding run - typical of normal practice everywhere

 

 

This run - on another preserved line but installed by a member of BR S&T staff - has comps similarly arranged opposite each other, i.e. with the pivots arranged at different sides of the rodding run - simple enough where there is space to do so but normally not enough room to do that adjacent to a platform side wall

 

 

I don't think I have a photo of a run adjacent to a platform wall but the pics below show a back drive from a point machine and gives an idea of how much room there is between the running rail edge/sleeper ends and the wall, quite a lot in fact plus there is another in the form of the metal plates on which the cranks are mounted.

 

 

 

In tight areas the Western would mount cranks on what appear to be plate metal (although there were actually a range of cast plates which were used.  Other railways used other methods such as strips of steel which lined up with the nbolt holes in the base of the cranks.  What these were fixed to also varied - the Western was a relatively early user of concrete beds (seen in the first pic) and also used concrete rodding stools to carry the roller assemblies (what many modellers call point rodding stools are actually rodding roller assemblies, or rodding rollers - the rollers are fixed to stools which can be concrete or timber).  The trick with rodding runs alongside platforms when it came to compensators was reasonably straightforward - clearly (from the pics above) no space to mount them opposite each other so the coms for each rod would be spaced away from the comp for any other rod which meant there was only a need to mount a single comp crank at a time.  Method of mounting varied with some railways content to use sleeper ends while others (GWR included) seemed to prefer separate beds to avoid any work on the track affecting the rodding run.  Look at those cranks in the final two pics above - bags of room to get a com in there alongside the platform and in fact many years ago there was a run of two rods between the track on the far platform face visible in the lower picture, complete with comp cranks.

 

SOME THING TO REMEMBER FOR WESTERN RODDING

1. Even if the runs had been renewed with channel rod any part of the run crossing under tracks used round rod - with a different pattern of roller (pic available).

2.  the western tried its level best to keep all rods at teh same level (as did some other railways - any adjustment in height to reach down to cranks or compensators etc was done by putting a set in the pin joint (the piece of rod which joined teh run to a crank.

3 (Applies to all railways) The only thing which needed oiling in a rodding run was the pivot bearings in cranks, everything else was lubricated by nature - rain - and using oil or grease on rodding run rollers could lead to real problems of wear as dirt and grit would stick to it and cause damage.  To be borne in mind when weathering.

4. Stepped cranks (3 different heights on the Western) were used at leading off beds - where the rods from the signalbox connected to the rodding run.

 

Hope that's helped a bit.

[Andrew P]

That looks very nice Brian, well done, is that now the SUMMER MODEL with no roof?

[Jintyman]

Managed to make a bit of progress on the ladies waiting room /station masters room

For some reason I’ve lost the roof though !!!! Lol

 

 

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Now get them platforms down mister !!!!

 

Brian

 

 

The platforms will be underway as soon as I've finished the rodding.

The waiting room looks fantastic Brian. Excellent work again, and it's embarrassing having someone else bring your thread up from the depths because you haven't done much on it yourself!!!!

 

Jinty

[2ManySpams]

The platforms will be underway as soon as I've finished the rodding.

The waiting room looks fantastic Brian. Excellent work again, and it's embarrassing having someone else bring your thread up from the depths because you haven't done much on it yourself!!!!

 

Jinty

Is that the sound of a whip cracking?

[Andrew P]

Well worth it David, with a stunning building like that to go on soon.

Thanks Andy
Lol yes it’s got a slight breeze going through at the min lol

Brian

And Snow?

[Andrew P]

Waiting room fit for a lady

Need the benches and a clock I think

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Brian

I took my shoes of just to look at that carpet, lovely work again Brian.

[Jintyman]

Waiting room fit for a lady

Need the benches and a clock I think

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Brian

 

 

"Needs to be full of Ladies things." (In my best David Walliams voice!)

 

Cracking job Brian, can you leave the roof as a removable element please as I'll want to put lighting in it?

 

Jinty

[Andrew P]

Thanks Andy

 

Lol I’d not realised the table cloth lol ,it would make an superb carpet lol

 

Brian

I never clocked that it was the Table Cloth, Dhooooooooooooo

 

Still nice though.

[coachmann]

Resembles the light-absorbing gold vinyl wallpaper we were suckered into decorating with in the 1970's. How is the signalbox coming along Jinty?

[Jintyman]

Resembles the light-absorbing gold vinyl wallpaper we were suckered into decorating with in the 1970's. How is the signalbox coming along Jinty?

 

 

In a word, slowly. I've been trying to find a little engraver to open out some of the stonework on the front to give it some more relief. I've now got one and been practising on various bits before jumping onto the box itself. Because it is primarily MDF I've been keeping the box in the house as it can get damp in the garage this weather, and because it's there, I forget to get it down and do bits on it.

 

Jinty

[coachmann]

In a word, slowly. I've been trying to find a little engraver to open out some of the stonework on the front to give it some more relief. I've now got one and been practising on various bits before jumping onto the box itself. Because it is primarily MDF I've been keeping the box in the house as it can get damp in the garage this weather, and because it's there, I forget to get it down and do bits on it.

 

Jinty

I think it is one of those instances where Wills Random Stone cladding would be the answer. I thought of your signalbox when building the 7mm Carrog station house.

 

C U tonite.....

Edited April 3, 2018 by coachmann

[Jintyman]

With the way I’ve built it I think it would be hard to make the roof removable unfortunately,sorry mate

 

Thought I’d put some internal roof beams to make up for it and for you to have some where to hang a light from

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Brian

 

 

Smashing Brian, just what the doctor ordered

 

Jinty

[Jintyman]

Managed to get the roof on guttering and glazed just downpipes and ridgetiles to go CD42F6B4-CB99-416A-8973-FED4FCA468CA.jpeg

 

Brian

 

P.s are you wanting me to add the chimney Pots jints ?

 

 

Very nice Brian, very nice indeed.

No don't worry about the chimney pots, I'm going to get Alan at Modelu to 3D print me some for all the buildings.

 

I have actually been doing a little bit of work on some Talyllyn things these evenings after work.

I've carved the stonework of my signal box out with an engraver I've bought which has given it some much needed relief. I've also primered all the windows ready to paint in cream and then to sandwich real glass in between, then build up the window units. I've also primered the main outer walls and sealed the MDF with a gloss (thanks for the tip Steve), ready for some shading of the stonework and brickwork.

 

I've also had a dozen or so figures painted by Claudia Everett for me, two of which have found a home in 9648. I'm very pleased with her work, and very reasonable in cost it was too.

I will take some pictures tomorrow.

 

Jinty

Edited April 6, 2018 by Jintyman

[2ManySpams]

Who's this Claudia lass? Sounds useful as I have a few figures arriving shortly.

[steve fay]

They do a superb job from the pics I’ve seen on Facebook

[Jintyman]

Who's this Claudia lass? Sounds useful as I have a few figures arriving shortly.

 

 

Claudia and Jeremy Everett who model dioramas and Claudia specialises in figure painting.

She has a website here:   https://www.cice.space/resume

 

And her contact details are on the website.

 

I've just fitted two crew to one of my Minerva Panniers and will post up a couple of photos shortly.

 

Jinty