Garethp8873 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) My favourite OO announcement of 2015...!! A very exciting entry to the current pre-1948 market of Grouping wagons and one I look forward to seeing slowly develop over the next several months. Also very happy to see Hornby focusing on the Maunsell version. Finally I can add some SR Cattle wagons to my GWR, LMS and LNER rake...!! Four versions have been announced: R6737 BR (ex-SR) Cattle Wagon - Maunsell R6737A BR (ex-SR) Cattle Wagon - Maunsell R6735 SR Cattle Wagon - Bulleid R6735A SR Cattle Wagon - Bulleid Edited November 27, 2015 by Garethp8873 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2015 Looks a cracker, doesn't it. Judging from the picture, it also looks like we might not have to wait too long for it......... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 Looks a cracker, doesn't it. Judging from the picture, it also looks like we might not have to wait too long for it......... John This is one of the wagons I've been longing to get onto my layout for ages. A cattle rake doesn't look right without all four companies vans in it personally. I will be watching this wagon very closely... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I confused by the Bulleid/Maunsell naming of the different models. Does this mean that they've tooled up the two different diagrams of SR cattle van? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 I confused by the Bulleid/Maunsell naming of the different models. Does this mean that they've tooled up the two different diagrams of SR cattle van? All the versions are the Maunsell version. The Bullied version was different as it was a steel framed van and the ends were different. If you have SR Wagons Vol.4, the Bullied version is on P.84. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 . I voted for that in the annual poll and it (virtually) materialises even before the poll results are out - weird, I thought it was a very unlikely choice. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) I confused by the Bulleid/Maunsell naming of the different models. Does this mean that they've tooled up the two different diagrams of SR cattle van? I believe it is single tooling for a diagram 1529 wagon, I think it is the way that Hornby are differentiating between the pre 1936, large SR lettered style and post 1936 small SR lettered style liveries [Edit: noe duly correctly in thread below as further information now confirms both diagrams 1529 and the later diagram 1530 versions are being produced, just a shame there is not one of each listed against both SR and BR liveries. Edited November 27, 2015 by Graham_Muz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Lovely little wagon! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Well, that's going to do yet more to make my old pair of LNER scratchbuilds look pretty shabby in my 'off the GE section seasonal veg' train, a process started by the BR standard type appearing. Apart from ferry traffic between the UK and Ireland, was there much general cattle traffic on BR circa 1960? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 Hello Phil (#6) The SR Cattle Wagon has been in the 'high pollers' of The Wishlist Poll since 2012. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Having just made up the Parkside 7mm kit I am impressed with this. One small mistake that is immediately obvious is the bar between the axleguards. On the prototype it is a rod and not a bar. Also, it is not usual to require such a tie when clasp brakes are used, so there are several photos in the SR wagon books of them in later days which show they were removed. The vacuum pipes need watching, they are handed on the prototype. But I am being picky, a very nice choice of prototype with one of the unusual SR brake riggings. Also the modelling of where the roof canvas is held in place on the end is very nice, a detail frequently overlooked. Paul 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Helpful info. I guess the tie-bar, if provided, might be easier to remove than to add. I note you say different brake gear - does this create opportunities for further use of underframe, or is the wheelbase unique to this vehicle? Is there a preserved one this possibly scanned from? Not particularly familiar with Southern goods stock! Good to see Hornby realising the scope for modern models of goods stock. Thanks, Having just made up the Parkside 7mm kit I am impressed with this. One small mistake that is immediately obvious is the bar between the axleguards. On the prototype it is a rod and not a bar. Also, it is not usual to require such a tie when clasp brakes are used, so there are several photos in the SR wagon books of them in later days which show they were removed. The vacuum pipes need watching, they are handed on the prototype. But I am being picky, a very nice choice of prototype with one of the unusual SR brake riggings. Also the modelling of where the roof canvas is held in place on the end is very nice, a detail frequently overlooked. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Well, that's going to do yet more to make my old pair of LNER scratchbuilds look pretty shabby in my 'off the GE section seasonal veg' train, a process started by the BR standard type appearing. Apart from ferry traffic between the UK and Ireland, was there much general cattle traffic on BR circa 1960?There was still a bit left; from the Scottish Islands via Kyle was a relatively late survivor (1970-ish?), and odd wagons crop up elsewhere. Look through some of the online collections of photos, such as:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/ and you'll probably find something. I saw a shot somewhere recently of a Clayton at Newcastle Central with a pick-up freight with a couple of BR cattle vans behind the loco. That would have been during the late 1960s. All a far cry from pre-war days in our village in Kent, when the seasonal sheep markets would see a hundred or so wagons being handled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 I've just had a look at the Hornby website via the link at the beginning of this thread and some more pictures have been added - including some of the Bulleid cattle wagon. Yes guys, they are going to do Diagrams 1529 AND 1530. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 Well that is indeed good news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 They look very good, nice way of giving some variety so I am going to have to buy two. Just waiting to see what the SR brake van is, Dancehall? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 They look very good, nice way of giving some variety so I am going to have to buy two. Just waiting to see what the SR brake van is, Dancehall? At the price quoted, I think it'll be the old LBSCR one. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 Is there a preserved one this possibly scanned Mid Hants recently did a rebuild of Maunsell design using a LMS Vanfit Van. Not 100% accurate though when you compare it to the original prototype. The other is a BR version based on the Bullied design and is at Mangapps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 http://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/shop/new-for-2016/sr-cattle-wagon-bulleid-1.html http://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/shop/new-for-2016/br-ex-sr-cattle-wagon-maunsell-1.html I've just had a look at the Hornby website via the link at the beginning of this thread and some more pictures have been added - including some of the Bulleid cattle wagon. Yes guys, they are going to do Diagrams 1529 AND 1530. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 Post has been updated with todays information. Whilst I'm very happy we'll now be seeing both the Maunsell and Bullied versions coming out, I'm rather concerned that only the Bullied versions are coming out in SR livery at the moment in time. I know this sounds picky as they were only announced yesterday but I just hope it gets changed soon... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I am very pleased to see this as I am modelling the Swanage Railway which had cattle docks at Swanage and Corfe Castle stations. They have recently rebuilt the cattle dock at Corfe Castle Station. I liked the opening doors on the Airfix BR cattle wagon and the doors on the Hornby version look almost as if you could open them. I wonder if Oxfordrail were working on a Southern cattle wagon to go with their Adams Radial tank locomotive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) Post has been updated with todays information. Whilst I'm very happy we'll now be seeing both the Maunsell and Bullied versions coming out, I'm rather concerned that only the Bullied versions are coming out in SR livery at the moment in time. I know this sounds picky as they were only announced yesterday but I just hope it gets changed soon... Or, to look at it the other way, only the Maunsell ones are coming out in BR livery in 2016. I imagine both situations will be redressed in 2017 or maybe Hornby could just do one of each in each livery instead of alternative running numbers? John Edited November 27, 2015 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 Or, to look at it the other way, only the Maunsell ones are coming out in BR livery in 2016. I imagine both situations will be redressed in 2017 or maybe Hornby could just do one of each in each livery instead of alternative running numbers? John I'm hoping that Hornby will do one Maunsell and Bullied in SR livery and vice versa in BR. At the moment though I will see how things go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) Well, that's going to do yet more to make my old pair of LNER scratchbuilds look pretty shabby in my 'off the GE section seasonal veg' train, a process started by the BR standard type appearing. Apart from ferry traffic between the UK and Ireland, was there much general cattle traffic on BR circa 1960? I've got a DVD with a freight being banked up the incline to Exeter Central circa 1961/2 (Zs banking) with a mix of 5 cattle wagons in the formation including SR versions. Great news.....thanks. Phil Edited November 27, 2015 by Mallard60022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Or, to look at it the other way, only the Maunsell ones are coming out in BR livery in 2016. I imagine both situations will be redressed in 2017 or maybe Hornby could just do one of each in each livery instead of alternative running numbers? John Or a little bit of modelling/repaint? Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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