lofty1966 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Shows the Oxford LNER abortion up somewhat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Shows the Oxford LNER abortion up somewhat. Unsurprisingly in my opinion. An outfit well experienced in 4mm model railway production vs. an experieinced model making business, new to 4mm model railway and only on its third group of new introductions. There are traps to avoid in matching the best standard already attained, a good demonstration that it isn't perhaps as easy as some might think. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Now I definitively want these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) Whilst I'm fully praising both the Maunsell and Bullied examples regardless of livery, I have to admit though that I find the floor to be rather 'orange' personally. Other than that I am still stunned when I look at them. My only worry now is, following me purchasing the SR examples this year and next year, what wagon do I hope and pray is announced next...??? Hornby, Bachmann and Oxford have practically answered my prayers all at once this year...!! Edited August 20, 2016 by Garethp8873 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted August 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 21, 2016 Shows the Oxford LNER abortion up somewhat. Hopefully, they'll observe, take note and improve. That or sit back and watch people lap up inferiority just because it's cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 Maybe the person in Hornby's video lifting up the BR Maunsell Cattle wagon to show the underside is a hidden reference to Oxford forgetting to add a vacuum cylinder to their LNER example...? It's unusual for Hornby to show us the underside of any piece of rolling stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted August 22, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 22, 2016 So are there any decent scale cows to go with these? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivegreen Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Maybe the person in Hornby's video lifting up the BR Maunsell Cattle wagon to show the underside is a hidden reference to Oxford forgetting to add a vacuum cylinder to their LNER example...? It's unusual for Hornby to show us the underside of any piece of rolling stock. I wondered the same thing. Not such a hidden reference, really - rather, a good piece of marketing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 So are there any decent scale cows to go with these? What's wrong with that cow? (Sorry, wrong thread...!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Whilst I'm fully praising both the Maunsell and Bullied examples regardless of livery, I have to admit though that I find the floor to be rather 'orange' personally. Other than that I am still stunned when I look at them. My only worry now is, following me purchasing the SR examples this year and next year, what wagon do I hope and pray is announced next...??? Hornby, Bachmann and Oxford have practically answered my prayers all at once this year...!! Yeah the orange floor is, indeed, rather odd and seems to be Hornby copying Oxford ( inside of L.N.E.R. open wagons ) for some reason !!?! ......... and next ? - D'you think Hornby have noticed that the exact self same chassis was used under Maunsell cattle wagons and Maunsell meat vans ( There's a certain irony there ! ) ..... an investment in tooling that's too good to waste surely ??!? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted August 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 22, 2016 So are there any decent scale cows to go with these? Dart Castings do some very nice ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 So are there any decent scale cows to go with these? Without wishing to start yet another livery debate / slanging match / thread ..... don't forget that bovine colours in the cattle wagon era would NOT have been wall-to-wall black and white ( Friesian / Holsteins ) but any number of - largely regional - varieties ! ( Shapes and sizes varied too, of course, but are barely discernable inside a wagon.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted August 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 22, 2016 Yeah the orange floor is, indeed, rather odd and seems to be Hornby copying Oxford ( inside of L.N.E.R. open wagons ) for some reason !!?! ......... and next ? - D'you think Hornby have noticed that the exact self same chassis was used under Maunsell cattle wagons and Maunsell meat vans ( There's a certain irony there ! ) ..... an investment in tooling that's too good to waste surely ??!? Where's that "I do hope so" button?........ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 I'd certainly welcome an increased variety of Southern wagons I must have about 30 vent vans in various SR and private Southern based company liveries aha, looking forward to the SR liveried Maunsell cattle wangon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 Look at this thread Hornby... use your SR Maunsell Cattle wagon chassis for a SR D1486 Meat Van please!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Look at this thread Hornby... use your SR Maunsell Cattle wagon chassis for a SR D1486 Meat Van please!! Give 'em a chance ! .... the first cattle wagons are still two months away an' the second lot of liveries some time next year .............................................. maybe then ... er, please !!?! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) All four models have now a release date of the 10/11/2016. Edited August 27, 2016 by Garethp8873 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 All four models have now a release date of the 10/11/2016. OK 2½ months ( nobody's told Hattons they've slipped a couple of weeks ) .............. then the second four some time in 2017 with a bit of luck ( but that's only a mastter of different paint so the design team can get on with a meat van body - if they're so inclined : clearly there's a market for at least TWO ! - and scope for quite a few livery options ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 An SR Fish Van would be welcome too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 An SR Fish Van would be welcome too Sounds a bit fishy that suggestion ...... ....... or was it just a red herring to throw us off topic ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) An SR Fish Van would be welcome too Any suggestion as to what diagram that would be? I understand that there were pre-grouping fish vans but have not found a specific fish van from SR days. I had understood the fish from Padstow traveled in any ventilated van available of even an available "utility" van. I could imagine it somewhat poetic that the daily Padstow newspaper BG could be loaded with fish for the return trip to London. Wickham's comment may be true that: Sounds a bit fishy that suggestion ...... ....... or was it just a red herring to throw us off topic ? Edited September 9, 2016 by autocoach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted September 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2016 An SR Fish Van would be welcome too Was there such a thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Was there such a thing? er - well - er sort of maybe : http://www.ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=9412 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 er - well - er sort of maybe : http://www.ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=9412 But that is an LBSCR pre-grouping van not a Southern Railway van. It appears to use openings between the side boards (slatted sides?) for the necessary ventilation in an unrefrigerated fish van. Superficially similar to a cattle wagon. However the wheelbase is not given and it probably does not have the underframe and brake components of 1930's and 1940's wagons such as the Maunsell and Bulleid wagons Hornby is importing. Anyway it has frequently been discussed in these forums that the current batch methods of production in China usually mean that the dies for part of one model cannot necessarily be used to create an alternate model unless that design was written into the production contract with the factory and the tooling is retained usable. As Hornby models are frequently made by different independent factories on based on production scheduling availability often with incompatible manufacturing systems, moving dies and other manufacturing components from one factory to another would probably cost more than making the new model from scratch. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted September 14, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) But that is an LBSCR pre-grouping van not a Southern Railway van. It appears to use openings between the side boards (slatted sides?) for the necessary ventilation in an unrefrigerated fish van. Superficially similar to a cattle wagon. However the wheelbase is not given and it probably does not have the underframe and brake components of 1930's and 1940's wagons such as the Maunsell and Bulleid wagons Hornby is importing. It almost certainly wouldn't have components in common with anything besides other LBSCR wagons. Few (if any) wagons built by that company even conformed to RCH standards and the SR shifted most of those they retained to the Isle of Wight or the Engineer's Department to prevent them straying. I presume that what little fish traffic the SR did handle went in utility vans. John Edited September 14, 2016 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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