RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted February 20, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 20, 2011 Good evening. This is the first GWR Coach I have part built. It is to be one of a pair for a classic B Set. It is a Comet Models kit and was a really straightforward build to the stage required by the person that is going to receive it/them . However, I would appreciate any comments from those with 'the knowledge' as my 'Russel' reference material gives limited insight into details for E129s (especially the 'outer ends' details). I believe the under-frame also requires a Regulator Box - from where might I access this part (MJT/Frogmore?) Thanks in advance. 36E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted February 20, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2011 What a beauty Mallard.Youv'e done a smashing job of that.The holes are just begging for some curly grab handles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted February 21, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2011 What a beauty Mallard.You've done a smashing job of that.The holes are just begging for some curly grab handles. Thanks Rob. All those handles, don't we just love them .....uuuuummmmm! At least this Comet kit comes with its' own handles, which are nice etches and fit the holes provided. I would not want to be trying to fabricate my own GWR style curly hand-rails from 4.5 mm wire. (OK I know my limits ) In fact I think that, in future if a coach kit (that I'm doing for myself) comes without handles I'm going to be seriously tempted to buy some in (if available for that type of coach) and if they don't fit the provided holes because they come from a different supplier, fill/redrill the necessary holes and fit the ready mades. Froid would probably have some theory about my preference for holes rather than bending . The E129s have 'sprung' bogies and S4 wheels by the way. At least this one and it's 'partner' didn't/won't need hinges. However, after the second E129 (the 'partner') is completed, the next batch starts with a GWR Diagram C46 Collett Corridor 3rd (70 footer) and that needs a full set of hinges fitted (but not the grab rails or handles - phew and I'm pretty sure also that the drop lights are integral & not needing to be fitted). Without looking at my pics I think I calculated 60 hinges required; oh joy! This and the others in the batch will be EM, with 'sprung' bogies and sprung buffer shanks fitted (MJT) but no gangways (hoorah) as the new owner will be fitting his own 'working' gangways and completing the buffers as well as the final detailing. 36E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted February 21, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2011 However, after the second E129 (the 'partner'), the next batch starts with a GWR Diagram C46 Collett Corridor 3rd (70 footer) and that needs a full set of hinges fitted (but no the grab rails or handles - phew ). Without looking at my pics I think I calculated 60 hinges required; oh joy! I've got one of those to do as well - it'll be my first full Comet coach build as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted February 21, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2011 I've got one of those to do as well - it'll be my first full Comet coach build as well. I think you might finish yours first (but I will never finish mine as I'm only doing this to an 'intermediate' sort of build stage without fine details like handles, bog pipes, alarm gear, roof drain strips, interior and painting ) I'm sure you already know that Comet Coaches go together very nicely as they are designed so well. Have fun and do post your progress. 36E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 the next batch starts with a GWR Diagram C46 Collett Corridor 3rd (70 footer) and that needs a full set of hinges fitted (but not the grab rails or handles - phew and I'm pretty sure also that the drop lights are integral & not needing to be fitted). Without looking at my pics I think I calculated 60 hinges required; oh joy! I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the C46 does not have integral droplights - so that's 22 droplights to solder (10 compartments and two toilet windows). And yes, there are 20 doors that need hinges. See the second-last pic in http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/28388-adrians-coach-works/ Adrian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted February 21, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2011 I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the C46 does not have integral droplights - so that's 22 droplights to solder (10 compartments and two toilet windows). And yes, there are 20 doors that need hinges. See the second-last pic in http://www.rmweb.co....ns-coach-works/ Adrian. Oh b*m! Cheers A. I'd forgotten your lovely builds (and I only looked at them about two or three weeks ago!) I love soldering droplights but they take up quite a bit of time and my attention span is worse than the goldfish. I must have had a peep in one of the other kit boxes in the pile and convinced myself! P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Oh b*m! Cheers A. I'd forgotten your lovely builds (and I only looked at them about two or three weeks ago!) I love soldering droplights but they take up quite a bit of time and my attention span is worse than the goldfish. I must have had a peep in one of the other kit boxes in the pile and convinced myself! P The thing I find to be more of a pain than droplights are the b#!*dy ventilators on the 247/Bettabitz clerestories. You have 4 per compartment and they never want to stay in place while you are soldering them. The Comet sides for the 57' Bow-Ended Collett coaches (C54, E127, E128, D94, K38) have etched droplights. I do want to build another C46 as a C44 or C45 (with one flat end and one bow end) for the entertainment value at shows. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Garry D100 Posted February 22, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2011 Thanks for posting up the pic of the B set coach. I have been looking for alternatives to the RTR Hornby/Airfix offering and noticed a bit ago that Comet did a b set but your picture helps me see the quality of the kit. Are the sides and roof preformed or do they need bending into shape? Does the comet kit come with everything you need inc interior and glazing. Thanks very much. Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Froid would probably have some theory about my preference for holes rather than bending . 36E Never mind Froid you've got us thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But if we carry on that way the red triangle will come out. Go on who remembers the show. Nice build by the way. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Thanks for posting up the pic of the B set coach. I have been looking for alternatives to the RTR Hornby/Airfix offering and noticed a bit ago that Comet did a b set but your picture helps me see the quality of the kit. Are the sides and roof preformed or do they need bending into shape? Does the comet kit come with everything you need inc interior and glazing. Thanks very much. Garry Comet sides have the tumblehome pre-formed (except panelled sides - which don't apply in this case). The roof is an aluminium extrusion and is something of a compromise profile, but the ends are designed to fit the profile so this doesn't really present a problem. A full kit will come with everything except the superdetailing parts (hinges etc), bogie springing, and wheels. Depending on your preferences, you may want to replace some of the parts (working gangways for the solid castings on gangwayed coaches, sprung buffers for the cast ones, etc. ), but the full kit has all the parts to build the basic coach, including grab handles and door handles. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 The thing I find to be more of a pain than droplights are the b#!*dy ventilators on the 247/Bettabitz clerestories. You have 4 per compartment and they never want to stay in place while you are soldering them. Try half-covering them with a strip of masking tape to hold them in position. I use this for holding droplights on N gauge coaches (which are evem more prone to wandering off ). I cheat and just use superglue but it should work OK for soldering as I doubt the iron will be in contact long enough to cause the tape any problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Garry D100 Posted February 22, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2011 Thanks for the replies chaps Looks like it makes up into an excellent representation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 2, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 2, 2011 The pair are almost finished to the stage required. First build is nearest in the pic so that you can't see the bits that need fettling to complete the second one! 36E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike G Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Those look excellent...how are you going to couple them as a pair, using what method? Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 2, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 2, 2011 Those look excellent...how are you going to couple them as a pair, using what method? Mike Thanks Mike. Can't answer that as the new owner will sort that after he has completed the pair. I'm sure someone will give us an idea as so many B Sets have been sorted by folk on here. I shouldn't think it would be too difficult. Phil @ 36E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Garry D100 Posted March 2, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2011 Thanks for posting the pictures up. Those look really great and have convinced me that this is the way to go myself. will you be painting them too? If so I would be interested to see pictures of them painted up. Thanks again. Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 2, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 2, 2011 Thanks for posting the pictures up. Those look really great and have convinced me that this is the way to go myself. will you be painting them too? If so I would be interested to see pictures of them painted up. Thanks again. Garry Thanks Gary. I don't do painting on stuff for other people unless it is very, very simple and they just can't do it! If the new owner sends me some pics of the finished article(s) I'll post them. P.M. me if you want any hints. P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Regarding GWR curly door grab handles, Roxey produce them as etchings but they might not fit the Comet holes. Pack 4A114 gives 84 grab handes to 4mm scale. For LNER coaches I recommend MJT etchings from Dart Castings. The B set looks well. I can't think of a single excuse for having a set, but I could use those suburbans built by BR to a GWR prewar diagram for the London Midland Region. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Garry D100 Posted March 2, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2011 Thanks very much. Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Russell's Pictorial History of Great Western Coaches, vol 2 has photos of the inner ends of an E129 pair. Coupling couldn't be simpler. There's a flat buffing plate in the centre with a simple bar passing through it. The bar has a hole at each end for a vertical pin on each vehicle, rather like an RTR engine/tender coupling. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted March 2, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2011 Russell's Pictorial History of Great Western Coaches, vol 2 has photos of the inner ends of an E129 pair. Coupling couldn't be simpler. There's a flat buffing plate in the centre with a simple bar passing through it. The bar has a hole at each end for a vertical pin on each vehicle, rather like an RTR engine/tender coupling. Nick Theother alternative is to use the Bill Bedford B set coupling although not as authentic as Nicks suggestion does look ok in use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted March 2, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 2, 2011 They look very nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 2, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 2, 2011 Regarding GWR curly door grab handles, Roxey produce them as etchings but they might not fit the Comet holes. Pack 4A114 gives 84 grab handes to 4mm scale. For LNER coaches I recommend MJT etchings from Dart Castings. The B set looks well. I can't think of a single excuse for having a set, but I could use those suburbans built by BR to a GWR prewar diagram for the London Midland Region. Hi Coach. Thanks for that. These 'soldering and a bit more' jobs suit me as I am not a 'completer/finisher'. Thanks also for reminding me about the MJT LNER handles. Mr Trice's parts are a real boon are they not. Comet actually do a nice etch of curly GWR handles and they do fit the Comet holes ; some CM kits include them. They are available as an accessory C8. I've also got some Roxey ones in the 'bits box' "I can't think of a single excuse for having a set"... they were often tagged onto/included in the make up of cross-country & special trains so you never know where they might have turned up/passed through "but I could use those suburbans built by BR to a GWR prewar diagram for the London Midland Region".... yes they look really good in the Russel 'Bibles'. Sincerely, Phil @36E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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