Stalwart Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Looking through Mr Endacott's excellent 'Westerns Warships and Hymeks at work' book yesterday I noticed a couple of photographs of the Portsmouth-Cardiff train (D7012 on p65 and D857,can't remember the page) with a Gresley Buffet in the formation. I assume this was the one that the WR had right up to the mid seventies, and wondered if the Hornby version was suitable or does it need to be modified even when it was still in maroon? PS does anyone know what it's number was? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 That will most likely be W9135E, which was still running in blue and grey in 1976. They were much modiified from as built by that stage, cannot help with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 You can pre-order a Blue/Grey Gresley Buffet for around £44 from Hattons or Kernow (amongst others). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 There have been several threads on this vehicle already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Brass side overlays for the rebuilt buffets con be found here:- http://www.mousa.biz/sides_lner/lner_sides.html#lner-corridor-teak-diagram-167-rb-rebuilt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted November 15, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2011 one here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/4617-gresley-buffet-cars-in-the-70s/page__hl__hornby gresley buffet also re: modifications : http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/33126-gresley-d167-buffet 2nd topic link contains b/g buffet shots below, one of which is W9135E kitchen side: http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/5264054255/in/set-72157603653607671/ corridor side: http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/3183534780/in/set-72157603653607671/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Before pre-ordering, it muight be best if people wait to see if Hornby has done the necessary alterations to the Buffet to make it suitable for the blue & Grey era. The best news would be that Hornby has done a new body to match that of the impending full brake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalwart Posted November 15, 2011 Author Share Posted November 15, 2011 Many thanks for the replies and links, very useful. I take your point coachman about pre-ordering, the Hornby blue/grey version would certainly need to be much more than just re-liveried! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Before pre-ordering, it muight be best if people wait to see if Hornby has done the necessary alterations to the Buffet to make it suitable for the blue & Grey era. The best news would be that Hornby has done a new body to match that of the impending full brake. They didnt bother when releasing it in maroon so i;d be surprised if they modify it now. Its better to modify an older cheap one or a Kirk kit as the roof, underframe and sides all need work and you'll probably have to repaint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 I'm fairly sure that hidden away in the Hornby 2011 announcements thread is confirmation that the blue/grey model wont be modified. Is it possible to search using these as a search term Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 To the best of my knowledge Ian is correct. The Blue Grey Buffets are repaints and have not been modified for the later window arrangement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 15, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2011 To the best of my knowledge Ian is correct. The Blue Grey Buffets are repaints and have not been modified for the later window arrangement. The alarm gear is on the wrong end of the otherwise very nice Hornby as well so I'm told. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 The alarm gear is on the wrong end of the otherwise very nice Hornby as well so I'm told. Easy to remove with a sharp kraft knife and position at 'tother end. Done it - worn the Gresley teashirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalwart Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 I think the brass overlays mentioned above may be the way forward, I'm just a bit wary about hacking away at the otherwise very nice Hornby model! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Carefull use of a sharp kraft knife and razor saw will remove the sides from the roof and ends. Hornby's plastic is easy to cut through but of course the usual care is needed if the knife isn't to wander and spoil the roof or send you to casualty. You don't even have to alter the chassis if it suits you as it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalwart Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 Thanks Coachmann, I think I'll take the plunge! The Portsmouth-Cardiff with a Hymek and it's 6 coach formation is the perfect size for my layout and the inclusion of a Gresley Buffet adds a bit of variety. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 You'll need a bag of mk1 coach restaurant vents for the roof from Comet. Ideally the underfloor needs changing too as BR changed all of the cookers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 a Blue/Grey Gresley Buffet for around £44 from Hattons or Kernow (amongst others) I’ll will make do with my Ian Kirk kit Gresley Buffet as for £44 I would expect a lot more accuracy than the current Hornby model contains. An alternative option could be to add this model to the Railroad range at a lower price and I maybe more minded purchase the model and carry out the necessary mods to improve it. Depending in the volume of sales of this item, which at present is open to question we may see some heavy discounting from some of big mail order model shops at some point next year. If you build it accurately - he will come! XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Thanks Coachmann, I think I'll take the plunge! The Portsmouth-Cardiff with a Hymek and it's 6 coach formation is the perfect size for my layout and the inclusion of a Gresley Buffet adds a bit of variety. If its only the one Gresley in the rake you;'d be better off filling in the windows on Kirk sides and starting with that plain roof. Add a set of Bachmann bogies, comet mk1 vents on the roof and various comet underframe bits and it'll be a lot cheaper. Don't forget the buffet counter inside is also very different too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Don't forget the buffer counter inside is also very different too. Is that a booby or a kinky rivet counter...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydraulic Jack Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I'm seem to recall that the formation of the 'Hymek Swansong' of 22 Sept 73 included the WR allocated 12 wheel Gresley buffet ( W1935E). I wonder what happened to that vehicle? I believe it was still around the Western in Sept 76. Does anybody know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzgresleyfan Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I'm seem to recall that the formation of the 'Hymek Swansong' of 22 Sept 73 included the WR allocated 12 wheel Gresley buffet ( W1935E). I wonder what happened to that vehicle? I believe it was still around the Western in Sept 76. Does anybody know? It only has eight wheels. A quick Google reveals that it's part of the NRM collection: http://www.nrm.org.uk/OurCollection/LocomotivesAndRollingStock/CollectionItem.aspx?objid=1978-7065&pageNo=10 Further discussion on the subject of Gresleys in the '70s appears here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/4617-gresley-buffet-cars-in-the-70s/ Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydraulic Jack Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 It only has eight wheels. A quick Google reveals that it's part of the NRM collection: http://www.nrm.org.uk/OurCollection/LocomotivesAndRollingStock/CollectionItem.aspx?objid=1978-7065&pageNo=10 Further discussion on the subject of Gresleys in the '70s appears here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/4617-gresley-buffet-cars-in-the-70s/ Rob. Rob Thanks for this. I don't know what made me think it had twelve wheels...! I recall there is a b & w shot of W9135E in the formation of a Weston-S -Mare to Liverpool footex, taken I think on 25 Sep 76, at Bristol T M which appears in an edition of Modern Railways from around that time. The caption I believe remarks that it's making one of its' final journeys. There is also another shot of it behind D1028 Western Hussar on Hemerdon Bank in the formation of the 10;30 Saturdays only Newquay to Paddington on 24 Jul 76 which appears in Last Year of the Westerns by John Vaughan. Elegant looking vehicles - I believe they carried the blue & cream livery quite well. Rgds Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 If it was in a footex then one wonders if TPTB were wanting the hooligans to do the scrapping of the venerable beastie for them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 If it was in a footex then one wonders if TPTB were wanting the hooligans to do the scrapping of the venerable beastie for them... TPTB??? Confused of Barrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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