BMacdermott

Hello Lloyd I'll PM the list to you now and can you can 'vote early by PM' back to me. Brian

Thanks Trevor Note for all: As you know, we sometimes have to change titles and/or running order of the Mini-Polls to reflect 'matters arising'. However - at present - the weekly working timetable comprises: No.5: Minks No.6: Freight (but excluding those in No.7 following) No.7: Freight - Vehicle Carriers No.8: Departmental Stock Brian (on behalf of John, Chris and Ian)

Hello Trevor As I have hit the 'Thx' button on your main post, I am writing here to express agreement with the Accurascale comment. Brian

Hello Trevor & Mike Bear with me on this one... The title of this Mini-Poll was originally Selected NPCCS & Freight. However, we saw some problems with that and changed to what we have. But that has thrown up an anomaly that we didn't see! I have noted Trevor's Cattle Wagon and Mike's Cordon but advise that we will be having further Mini-Polls on Freight per se and Departmental Stock. Those two items will be reflected then. Brian

Hello Mike Stationmaster, Clive and Mike Wiltshire I have requested any info on this from friends who were in the Mangotsfield Railway Circle. Brian

Hello Phil Dorchester PO working for 1959 attached. Sorry to be 'off topic' for GWR! Brian

Thanks Phil - but the Guidelines say as extracted below: Brian 2 They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’.

Hello everyone My votes here are: * Milk Tank Wagon – 6-wheel, twin tank * Milk Tank Wagon – 6-wheel, ladders/filler at one end * Milk Tank Truck – 6-wheel with Dyson Milk Road Trailer Load * Meat Van – Mica White/Grey We already have Milk Tank Wagons by Dapol and Hornby (the latter being an old Lima-tooled tank on a new Hornby chassis from 2007). The twin tank and ladders/filler at one end versions would make a welcome alternative design. The Milk Tank Truck with Road Trailer would add that touch of realism that many ‘main line’ model milk trains could use. I have seen photos of the Micas well into the late 1950s, so would like that one for my layout. I haven’t – yet – voted for the Insixfish. Can anyone tell me of a photo of one in any fish trains through Oxford or Newton Abbot? That would clinch my vote! Finally, for a suggestion, some may like the Palethorpes 6-wheel Sausage Vans, Nos.W2801W & W2802W of Diag.O47 – although they do have somewhat restricted use. Brian

00 GWR Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.4: Fruit, Fish, Milk & Meat Hello everyone Welcome to the fourth in our series of GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Polls. I am running them here with my friends, John Lewis, Chris Knowles-Thomas and Ian Taylor on Rob’s behalf. You will find ‘an indication’ of what we are looking at via the suggested example diagrams in parentheses. We simply cannot list every incarnation! The makers are tending to ‘tool up’ to cover as many variants as are commercially viable. For us, the mantra is: If it looks like a Milk Tank Wagon, it probably is a Milk Tank, or a member of the same family. In order to generate some debate – and some ‘learning opportunities’ – please feel free to explain why you have chosen your selections. I copy all ‘Comments Received’ in order of receipt – but with names removed – and post them as a PDF with the Results. Please note that we do not welcome comments that act as an excuse to start up the old chestnut of ‘kits vs RTR’! Here’s what to do… 1 You may vote for any or all of the items listed plus suggestions at 13 (if you so wish). 2 They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’. 3 Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 7 – with comments and explanations following. My posting which follows should serve as an example. 4 If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations. Banana & Fruit 1 Banana Van (Diag.Y4 of 1922) 2 Fruit Van (Diag.Y3 of 1911) 3 Fruit Van – Fruit C, 22ft long (Diag.Y9 of 1937) Fish 4 Fish Van (eg Diag.V13, later S2) 5 Fish Van – Bloater (eg Diags.S8 & S9 of 1916) 6 Fish Van – Insixfish 6-wheel (Diag.S13 of 1948) 7 Fish Wagon – Tadpole 8-wheel (eg Diag.S2) Milk 8 Milk Tank Wagon – 6-wheel, twin tank (Diag.O41 of 1935 & Diag.O50 of 1940) 9 Milk Tank Wagon – 6-wheel, ladders/filler at one end (eg Diags.O57 of 1946 & O60 of 1950) 10 Milk Tank Truck – 6-wheel with Dyson Milk Road Trailer Load (eg Diags.O37, O48, O49, 1932-47) Meat & Cattle 11 Meat Van – Mica White/Grey (eg Diags.X1/X2 of 1889/1897 & Diag.X4 of 1906) 12 Special Cattle Van – Beetle C (Diags.W7, W13, W14, W17 of 1910-1953) 13 Your suggestions of vehicles not listed in the above groups You may suggest one vehicle only in any or all of the four headings. Get your thinking caps on and get voting! I will acknowledge receipt of your vote via the ‘Thx’ tick box. You have until 17.00 on Saturday 10 July. However, I will stop earlier and advise if votes reach 50. I will present the results during the day on Sunday 11 July. I look forward to your selections and comments! Brian (Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Rob’s thread only and neither RMweb nor The 00 Wishlist Poll Team are specifically involved, apart from me, John, Chris and Ian in our ‘personal capacities’.)

Hello again Andy I don't usually add data to my Mini-Poll lists, preferring voters to undertake their own research into items they are unaware of. But - just for you - details from The Guide to The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019. Brian BR Track Recorder 4-wheel – Matisa Neptune Built between 1957 and 1967, BR operated 13 of these small self-propelled track recording vehicles to measure track geometry. They were withdrawn around 1987 as modern replacements arrived. Link http://www.hondawanderer.com/DR50006_Chinley_1984.htm

Thanks Trevor - order just placed! Brian

Thanks Andy I have just looked at one of the David Larkin books and it does seem that most Catfish were on the LMR - which I wasn't aware of. However, if had a run a Departmental Mini-Poll without a single Ballast Wagon per se, I would have drawn adverse comment, I'm sure. It is partly for that reason - and that the list had reached 'maximum permitted load' - that I asked for 'suggestions' at Item 11. I was going to list the Trout, but didn't as it is already made. Agreed that it now seems to be a rare item! Brian

Hello Phil The six TPO vehicles in the Penzance Postal (10.10pm) were all 'offset gangways'. Turn one, turn the lot. Easier to leave 'as is'. Brian

Thanks Mike I have those books and have just enjoyed going through them looking at the photos. In 'Echoes', the photo dated 28 August 1957 shows the northbound single van train near Totnes. The author notes the TPO lineside apparatus on the Up side that the train is just passing - so we now know at least one location. My guess is that - had a bag been on the apparatus for collection - he would have noted that in the caption (but that's just me speculating). I was also interested to see the car train photo in 'Reflections', dated 10 January 1959. You don't see many of those! (You will be able to vote for Mogo Vans in a forthcoming Mini-Poll.) Brian

Or perhaps No Poking? Brian

Hello everyone I am voting for four items in this Mini-Poll: * Ballast Plough Brake Van – the LNER van had the ploughs ‘inside’ the wheelbase; * Dolphin and Sturgeon – because they are ‘distinctive’, useful and can be run loaded or empty; * Breakdown Crane – on the basis that it was one of this type that was allocated to New England (according to the Peter Tatlow wagons book). Does anyone know how far south – if ever – the crane might have ventured? Not LNER per se, but I guess Mr Duck will be with me in putting the SR Walrus Ballast Wagon as an item I would like to see made! Does anyone know if they got to Peterborough? Or did ballast for the area come from elsewhere? Brian

00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.8: Departmental Stock Hello everyone Welcome to the final Mini-Poll concerning rolling stock that has at least some connection with Peterborough North. I am running the Mini-Polls on behalf of Gilbert. We will move to the first of three PN Loco Mini-Polls on Sunday – one day earlier than normal timetable – details later. You will find ‘an indication’ of what we are looking at via the suggested example diagrams in parentheses as it is often impossible to be ‘deadly precise’ with a 1-line descriptor. We take the view that ‘if it looks like a Ballast Wagon, it probably is a Ballast Wagon or a member of the same family’. Recent past experience is showing that makers are ‘tooling up’ to make as many variants as they can for any new model. You can submit your wishes here, on the thread, as usual, or PM me direct if you prefer the ‘secret ballot’ method. If you vote on the thread, please feel free to explain why you have chosen your selection – hopefully, that will promote some interesting debates – but please do not take it as an excuse to start up the old chestnut of ‘kits vs RTR’! Here’s what to do… 1. You may vote for any or all of the 10 items listed plus a response to item 11 (if you so wish) 2. They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’. 3. Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 7, 9, 10 – with comments and explanations following. 4. If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations. Ballast 1 Ballast Plough Brake Van – LNER (1926) 2 Ballast/Rail/Sleeper Wagon – LNER/BR Dolphin (Diag.99, BR Diag.1/639) 3 Ballast/Rail/Sleeper Wagon – BR Sturgeon (Diag.1/638 etc) 4 Ballast Wagon 4-wheel – BR Catfish (Diag.1/586) Crane 5 Breakdown Crane – LNER – Cowans Sheldon 45-ton (1940) Inspection 6 Chief Engineer’s Saloon – LNER DE900580 (1936) 7 Dynamometer Car BR – DE320041, later DB999500 (1951) 8 Track Recorder – BR Matisa Neptune 4-wheel Loco Coal 9 Loco Coal Wagon – LNER 4-wheel 21-ton – Wood (Diag.207) 10 Loco Coal Wagon – LNER 4-wheel 21-ton – Steel (Built 1935 & 1947) 11 Other Departmental Stock you would like to see made. Please give an indication as succinctly as possible of anything not listed above that you would like to see made. Get your thinking caps on and get voting! I will acknowledge receipt of your vote via the ‘Thx’ tick box. You have until 17.00 on Thursday 8 July. However, I will stop earlier and advise if votes reach 50. I will present the results during the day on Friday 9 July. I look forward to your selections and comments! Brian (Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Gilbert’s thread only and neither The 00 Wishlist Poll Team nor RMweb are specifically involved, apart from me in my ‘personal capacity’.)

Hello everyone Reflecting on Mike's contribution (currently two posts up), the Carriage Working books are useful to have but for 'modelling accuracy' it is always good to go from actual photos or accounts of staff who were there. I can't think where the exact details are in my files for the moment, but I know of an occasion on the S&D when a station down the line - maybe Sturminster Newton - had a loaded Cattle Wagon booked out north at 'freight rate'. However, for reasons of expediency or maybe health of the cattle, the wagon was hooked on the back of an Up passenger to Bath (Green Park). Being on the rear on arrival, it was a simple enough matter to unhook and shunt to the yard where it joined a suitable northbound freight. You won't find Maunsell 3-set + Cattle Wagon in the S&D carriage workings! Brian

Hello Mike You and I have spoken before about certain books. It might be worth mentioning here - in very broad terms - that 'all that glisters isn't gold' and the old adage of 'buyer beware' still applies. I have a book which I will call simply: Passenger Trains on Line A in Year B. From the 'real title', prospective purchasers would have been right to think that - as it was a popular line at a popular time - the photos would 'illustrate the text'. Of 23 photos, just one is of Year B - but that is a Relief that can't be checked against the text. Two other photos are of freight trains - arguably unwarranted in a passenger train book. On the plus side, the text is high up the ratings of 'good' - although trying to comprehend what is already 'complicated matter ' through sentences comprising sometimes well over 100 words is a pain. (Most editorial styles will aim for about 20-40 words or so.) Brian

Hello Phil Either the book you mention is wrong or - maybe - you aren't reading the CWP correctly. My extract below is from Summer 1956. Notice that the TPO only goes Plymouth-Bristol. There are no other TPOs on that train (under normal circumstances). When the train gets to Pontypool Road, then one of Sorting Vans 801, 802 or 803 are attached, working Cardiff-Liverpool. Hope that helps. Brian

Hello Mike Mike Arlett's caption to the upper photo on that same page says that Norman Lockett took both photos on Wednesday 13 April 1938, about a mile east of Cornwood on the climb to Ivybridge. I would have sworn it was ECS - but we live and learn, such is (partly) the value of running these Mini-Polls! Brian

Hello Rich I have found your photo...and you are right, it is 'The North Mail'! It is on page 50 of Great Western Steam, 1934-1949, by Mike Arlett & David Lockett. I wouldn't normally have a GWR per se book in my library but I gave Mike some help with the book and that is how I came to have the good fortune of getting John Lewis onto the 00 Wishlist Poll Team! (Mike and I are S&D fans!) John had a hand in the caption which I reproduce below. (Please respect the copyright of the information.) I have also added the working from the 1935/1936 CWP - closest I can get to the photo, which is 1938. Brian

Results – GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.3: TPO Stock Many thanks to the 18 voters who took part. The number of votes to each item is shown in the left hand column and Comments Received are appended on a PDF as usual. Please note that the results reflect the views of those who voted here and may not necessarily reflect those of the wider modelling community. The results are pretty clear! High Polling 16 L22 Middle Polling 8 L23 Low Polling 3 L25 2 L21 1 L13 1 L18 1 L24 1 L26 The Diag.K17 Van was also mentioned twice. Tune in on Wednesday 7 July for: GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.4: Selected NPCCS & Freight. This will cover such as Banana, Fruit, Fish, Milk, Meat and Special Cattle Vans and will be a prelude to the following three Mini-Polls covering freight vehicles per se. Brian (also on behalf of John, Chris & Ian) GWR Mini-Poll No.3 TPO Comments Received.pdf

Hello Rich This is what we said in the intro to the TPO Mini-Poll: Although in his book, Great Western Coaches from 1890, Michael Harris indicates that L22 No.798 was in this train, we can find no evidence of that in the Carriage Working books. Looking back at the 1946-1947 CWP clip above, I thought that - possibly - the LM TPOs were there to substitute for Diag.L23 Nos.812-814 which Harris notes as having delivery apparatus fitted in November 1946. Mike's amendments date to March 1947, so perhaps the formation changes relate to this? Brian

Hello Fatadder What working does your photo show? It looks rather more like Empty Coaching Stock (ECS) to me. Brian