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The May and current June editions of Bylines have a 2 part article on Seaton Delaval Colliery Steam under the title of Not Such a 'Terrible Place' which includes some very good photos of some of the motive power and a brief history of the line. Regards, Ian.

Many thanks, Jack, that's just saved me an awful lot of work and time as I was contemplating recently going through all of my S&D books and listing the locos (already bought a nice notebook for this purpose) so that I could compare it with locos seen around the heart of the West Riding (Leeds, Bradford and Wakefield areas anyway) to see if there were any suitable suspects for 'joint' modelling. I model in 3mm scale and have a layout of Masbury on the S&DJR but am also planning a WR loco shed type layout, using Ilkley shed trackplan as a rough starting point (already have an aquired model of the engine shed.) So far I am only aware of Ivatt 41241 which transferred to Skipton to end out it's BR days before becoming a household celebrity on the K&WVR, but I shall be looking at the list of the 9F's and a few of the Standards very closely. Kind regards, Ian.

Hello Dave , Thanks for the excellent photos, I really enjoy the memories of the eras that they often show. Kind regards, Ian.

PS - I've quoted the dates for Albany (1916) and Albany II (1894) as referenced on the Leeds Engine Info website but I would have thought personally that Albany would have come before Albany II ??

I'll try and list the Industrials that I've come up with, either definates or possibles (ie owned by J&J Charlesworth,) as working on or around the line. (Thanks go to Sir Douglas for pointing me in the right direction for most of these.) MW 'I' class 0-6-0st - "Henrietta" (w/no.21 (1861-1895 (?)) MW 'O' class 0-6-0st - No.3 (w/no.1325) ( 1896 - 1899 sold to Wath Main colliery,) - No.9 (w/no.1741 (1908 - to at least 1935) (Low Shops and Fanny pit) - photo on Leodis w/s. MW 0-6-0st - No.7 "Brothers" (w/no.362) (1889 - 1928) MW 'M' class 0-6-0st - No.11 (w/no.1683) (1907 - ?) - "The Cousins" (w/no.323) (1870 - ?) MW 'Q' class 0-6-0st - "Cousins II" (w/no.1222) (1892 - ?) - "Albany II" (w/no.1294) (1894 - ?) MW 'Special' 0-6-0st - "Success" (w/no.1844) (1914 - ?) - "Albany" (w/no.1904) (1916 - ?) MW 0-6-0st - "The Bare" (1914 - ?) (Belonged to contractors William Allan Richards WAR) - photo on Leodis w/s. HC 0-6-0t - No.1 (w/no.1306) (1917 - ?) (Beeston colliery) - No.6 (w/no.218) (1880 - ?) (Later MSC No.34 "Copenhagen") HC 0-6-0st - No.8 "Eva" (w/no.246) (1882 - ?) - "The Brothers" (w/no.267) (1886 - ?) - "Fanny" (w/no.361) (1890 - ?) HC 0-4-0st - "Ethel" (w/no.162) (1875 - ?) - "Ethel" (w/no.349) (1892 - ?) - "Success" (w/no.386) (1891 - ?) - "Hero" (w/no.668) (1903 - ?) - a good but unidentifiable photo of one of the above 0-4-0st's (probably) on the Leodis w/s. HC 0-6-0t - S102 "Cathryn" (w/no.1884) ( 1944 - 1968 - Newmarket colliery) - S103 (w/no.1864/52) (Newmarket colliery) HE 0-6-0st - "Joe" (w/no 1678) (1931 - NCB days - collided with J52 68790 on 20/5/1952) - "Edith" (w/no.1482) (1925 - NCB days at Broom pit, Middleton - 15") - "Jubilee" (w/no.1726) (? - 1973 at Newmarket colliery - 16" ?) - "Jess" (w/no.2876) (1968 - 1973 at Newmarket colliery - 18") BH 0-4-0t - No.8 (? - 1906) Diesel - NCB No.16 - HC 0-6-0 DM (Newmarket colliery.) Baguley W/No 3001 4 Whl (Robin Hood coliery.) .....I'm sure that there must be others !!

Thanks for the information, chaps. I may have missed an opportunity last Sat as Roger Carpenter was certainly at last years 2018 Scalefour North show according to the Nbrass website (I think I now have a Birmingham address for him) .....and I must have driven past the West Yorks History Centre on the way home from the 3mm meeting, although the website states that visits must be by Appointment Only, so I shall make further enquiries. I did follow the A61 back to Leeds on Sat and made a few detours to Thorpe-on-the-hill and Rothwell but didn't come across very much in the way of signs of the old railway, save for a retaining wall. Admittedly I'd forgotton to take my maps with me so I was working a bit blind .....I think that I managed to drive straight through Robin Hood without even realising it ! I know that the landscape in this area has changed pretty drastically since the 1970's but will probably make another trip out sometime, better armed and in less of a hurry, just to get a better feel of the geography. Most of what I will find is probably already covered on the Disused Railway website ....but at least the dogs will get a walk. Cheers, Ian.

Does anybody know of any good photograph vendors that you sometimes see at exhibitions, please, as they may be a good source for unpublished photos taken on the line. I had intended visiting Scalefour North last Saturday to see if there was anybody there but got sidetracked by a run on the Middleton Railway before my 3mm Society meeting at Wakefield MRC.

.....and in BR days : J52 - 68790, 68824(?), 68834, 68848, 68869, 68871, 68872, 68875 J6 - 64203, 64222, 64226, 64268 J94 - 68008, 68011, 68015, 68045, 68049, 68062 Ivatt Cl2 - 41273 Ivatt Cl4 - 4304x, 43072 Again other possibles being from J3, J39 and class 05 diesels.

Just thought that I would post a couple of lists of the locos that I've so far either found photos or references to on the E&WYUR. LNER days : J84 - 3112, 3113 (ex E&WYUR No's 1 and 2) (also EWYUR No 3 scrapped 1923) J85 - 3114 (ex E&WYUR No 4) N19 - 3115, 3116 (ex E&WYUR No's 5 and 6) J52 - 3963, 4053, 4249, 4272, 4273 J54 - 3858, 3679, 3902 J57 - 3686 J62 - 5888 J67/2 - 7352, 7384 J68 - 7036, 7033 J69/1 - 7370, 7367, 7350 J77 - 614, 1349, 1439, 1313 N12 - 2484, 2487 Y3 - 86, 87, 94, 172 (only one of these four trialled ...but I don't know which !) Other loco classes allocated at Ardsley during this period that would seem potentials as usable on the line but as to which, so far, I have not found any references of include examples of classes J2, J3, J4, J6, J7, J11, J27, J39, J50, N5 .....and J83 !

David, Judith Edge Kits have the 7mm Hunslet 15" kit available on their list @ £95 currently, if you wish to go in that direction. Sorry that I can't be of more help (I could ....but then I wouldn't have one.) Regards, Ian.

Thanks for the information regarding the nameplates, I'd managed to miss the npp-116 MW reference, I'll study some more photos in the MW book from Pen & Sword before deciding. Cheers, Ian.

Hello, In an earlier post Chris mentions the 'special' deal available for nameplates from Narrow Planet (see the Minerva pamphlet enclosed with your loco) but can anybody advise which style / size of nameplates best authentically suit this small loco, please ? The reason that I ask is that I normally use "OO" gauge nameplates for my Industrial 7mm locos which look fine on the Ixion Hudswell Clarkes, etc, but when I offered up a "OO" A4 "Peregrine" nameplate to my MW yesterday but it looked ridiculously large, particularly when compared with a photo of Sharpthorn as printed in a recent magazine. I have some 3mm scale nameplates which are better but still don't look right. I am guessing that the Industrial, Isaac or Dudley style of nameplates from the range would probably suit but in what scale would it be best to order them ? I'm thinking of a similar length of name to Peregrine. Afraid I haven't used Narrow Planet plates before. Regards, Ian.

Wife's just got me a copy from Smith's in the White Rose outside Leeds, wasn't available at either the Station or City Centre shops. Sat with a cup of tea and my reading specs on !

Managed to prise mine out of the hands of the Royal Mail just before the sorting office closed at 8pm. Haven't had chance to give it a run yet (I'm afraid there's a lot more than leafs on my line at the moment !) Will take it down to the Leeds MR Club for tonight's talk, where I suspect it may meet a couple of siblings. I have to say how impressed I am, I don't think that the photos quite bring home how fine the detail is, the coupling rods particularly impressed me. I was beginning to think that I had made a mistake by ordering a Blue one instead of the Red one, was worrying about the lining, but have to say it looks much better in the flesh, so, more than happy with my choice now ....except, now I'll have to save up for a Red one aswell ! Many thanks to Chris and his team for bringing us this "Thing of Beauty." Regards, Ian.

Which one is mine ?? Regards, Excited from Leeds.

Having now read the section in Don Townsley's Hunslet book properley (and not just looked at the pretty pictures as I did last night) I've probably answered my own question. No.4000 (0-8-0) ran trials for 4 weeks in 1951 with heavy coal train shunting at Stourton Down Yard before 5 weeks of tests with freight trains between Stourton, Guiseley and Yeadon accompanied by the Dynamometer car. 11001 worked briefly at Stourton Yard in 1952 and then sometime after the Hunslet stock loco No.4003 (0-6-0) was tested there before moving to the Walkden system and returning to be painted in Leeds in 1954 (it then worked at a Shotton steelworks into the 1970's.) Alas no mention of any of the 3 straying up the E&WYUR. Regards, Ian.

Yes, I wondered that myself having retrieved my copy of the Hunslet book from the loft last night; it seemed coincidental that the 500hp Davy Paxman engine fitted to the roving Peruvian No.4000 in 1951 is the same as the captions regarding 11001 circa 1952 and No.s 4002 and 4003 were 0-6-0's. Although if Hunslet had experience with these engines could that not be the reason for 11001's visit to the Stourton area ? No worries about the kit, I've got plenty of others to be going on with but if you do ever re-etch the etchings, I'll have a 3mm set, please. It's a bit of an ugly duckling really isn't it, which makes it quite appealing ! LoL. I don't suppose anybody knows if any of the Peruvian locos were ever tested up the E&WYUR do they ? Now that would be interesting, especially if they were hauling the NE Dynamometer car as the picture of No.4000 going through my local station of Guiseley shows. Still enjoying the hunt. Regards, Ian.

Hello Michael, I'm afraid I'm only quoting from a caption in Bellcodes Railway Memories No.22 - Return to Leeds p.18, so am reliant on the authors being in the know (the same comment appears in RM No.25, p.7, different picture and different authors but same Publisher.) I don't know if anything relating to this appears in the Hunslet Engine Works book, I may get chance to look tomorrow. As you say, both photos are of it in Stourton yard, it's only my wishful thinking that suggests that maybe it was trialled up the inclines of the E&WYUR. Unfortunately some of the sources that I'm gathering information from are likely only quoting from one of the other sources as the comments are very similar which is why I would prefer to find photographs of the locos actually on the E&WYUR. You'll probably hear Smithy and I discussing it at the club tomorrow as he's bringing a book down with information relating to a 13t brake van used on the line, if you're down, any comments will be gratefully received. I don't suppose that you shrank your kit of 11001 down to 3mm did you ? Regards, Ian.

Thanks Paul, I'd picked up on this earlier but haven't so far come across any potential pictures of this other than the Bulleid SR 0-6-0 shunter / transfer loco 11001 in Stourton sidings on trial after repairs at Hunslet which I can well imagine included runs up the E&WYUR. I'm currently compiling a list of locos for which there are photos of or strong references towards them working on the lines, the RCTS LNER books are throwing up quite a few interesting designs. When I've finished with them I'll re consult my copies of the Hunslet Engine works, Manning Wardle locos and Hudswell Clarke deisel era books and see what I can find. Haven't found any hard evidence of anything bigger than J6's on the lines at the moment and still no references of my favourites the J50's which surprises me with their strong Ardsley connections ....surely they must have put in an appearance at some point ? Anyway, I'm enjoying the hunt. Regards, Ian.

False alarm, problem sorted ....somehow I'd managed to activate the 'ignore this topic' option on the first post ! (I hate touch screens) ....anyway, seems Ok now although this didn't show up when I checked my followed topics in the Settings section. Regards, Ian.

Andy, Sorry if this has already come up ...but.... I started a new topic on the E&WYUR in the Disused Lines section the other day but now find that this is invisible to me if I log in ! So long as I'm logged out I can view and search for the topic ?? If I'm on the main Disused lines topics page (logged out) then the topic is in the list but as soon as I log in it disappears, log out again and it reappears. The only way that I can reply to posts that people have left me is to access the actual page when logged out and then log in, the page then remains visible and I can use the posting box as normal. The topic does not appear in My Activity area either even though I am a follower, all other items that I follow work as I would expect. Have I missed something out when I created the topic as it think that this is probably the first one that I've ever started ? Regards, Ian.

With respect to my reference to the locos suggested as 'potential candidates' by Paul Lunn I don't doubt him in the fact that these locos were seen in the immeadiate area around the E&WYUR, I'm just seeking confirmation as to whether or not they ventured further up the line than the exchange sidings at Stourton.

Thanks for the speedy replies Sir Douglas and Compound, I was aware of the LNER Encyclopedia pages but hadn't seen the wagon page before; I hadn't come across the pages that you linked either, Sir Douglas, although I have seen the image of Edith before but that link is a clearer image than the printed one I'd seen. Thanks again for the replies, time to print out some of this info and make myself a little file up I think. Reards, Ian.

During the last 18 months or so I have become aware and interested in the now defunct East & West Yorkshire Union Railway and associated lines running between Stourton, Leeds and Lofthouse Junction near Wakefield. I have gathered some information relating to the line including the D.L. Franks book by Plateway but am surprised that I can't find any related threads on this source, so I've started one. My opening questions relate to motive power seen on the line. I have seen photos of the main suspects seen at work ie J52, J94, J84, J85, N19 and the industrial locos mentioned in Mr. Franks' book aswell as excursion visitors such as J6's and was it Ivatt 2-6-2T's or a 2-6-4T to Rothwell station but have also read that J67's and J69's worked on the line between 1935 and 1944 (RCTS part 8A) but have seen no photographic evidence of this. A photograph of 02 2-8-0 63973 reversing onto Stourton shed in Bellcodes' Railway Memories No22 poses the authors speculative question did it arrive via the E&WYUR which begs the question ....would this have been either likely or possible ? Paul Lunn also offers into the mix as 'legitimate possibles' J50's, J39's, L1's, 3F 0-6-0's, LMS 4-4-0's, Ivatt 2-6-0's and BR Standard 2-6-4T's in his article Model Rail's bookazine Ideas for Layouts vol.4 but again I've not come across any photographic evidence as of yet. Can anybody clarify any of these other potential candidates and give indication as to what or why they were or undoubtably couldn't be seen on the line, ie weight restrictions? Would the line have been used for any light engine movements for instance ? Regards, Ian.

Thanks Phil and Bill, I've dug out my copies of Essery's Midland and LMS wagon books to reread the sections regarding these 'similar' styled brake vans. There is a historical photo of the van that I modelled a while ago in LMS livery, No.747, from which I can see that I need to add full length rainstrips ....and vacuum pipes ! I'm sure that I must have looked at this photo before whilst making the kit but then used a colour photo of the van in preservation from a magazine as it was easier to view on the workbench, this is why I've not put on rainstrips as they are not now present and the vac pipes are connected with other vehicles either side of it, so are not particularly obvious. As a matter of interest there are at least 3 different versions of these vans represented in Ron Toop's photos from the 1950's. Regards, Ian.