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Here are the Lilleshall Co transfers, these are the 5 plank version, the 7 plank version is also avaliable.

Coast Line models have now delivered the Hanwood Colliery wagon transfers and I had a go today. The wagon underneath is a Cambrian 1907 5 plank wagon The Lilleshall Co transfers are also now avaliable.

Excellent news look forward to building 2 of them. david

Very impressive Dave, how the hell do you solder that lot together!

There was a regular service from Shrewsbury to Welshpool and in LMS days some of Shrewsbury’s ex L&Y 0-6-0s were seen on the serviceand in BR days the service was regularly hauled by Shrewsbury’s Fowler 2-6-4 tanks. The shed was still split into GWR and LMS ( ex LNWR) and these Welshpool services were from the LMS side, so presumably in LNWR days the shed would have provided 2-4-0s for the service. David

Coast Line Models have now completed there new transfer sheets which not only include the 3 different Lilleshall Co wagons, but two others which are Hanwood Colliery (located between Shrewsbury and Welshpool adjacent to the junction for Minsterley) and Breideden Hill Granite Quarries located at Criggion. I would assume that these wagons would be seen all around the Welsh borders. The Lilleshall Co wagons which I have commissioned are as follows: Lilleshall Limestone for a 15’ 5 plank. Lilleshall, Shropshire, for both a 15’ 5 plank and for a RCH 1907 end door. Lilleshall Co with additional wording of Glzed bricks, coal, pig iron and steel sections. Both for 15’ 5 plank open and RCH 1907 7 plank end door wagon. The Lilleshall Co wagons would be seen in Wales as they supplied coal merchants as well as coal for the Cambrian Railways locos. They also supplied loco coal to the North Staffs, GWR (presumably to sheds such as Whrexham) and LNWR. They had a fleet of over 300 main line wagons, and wagons were seen in S Wales. David

It was also used by the MOD for the nearby Donnington Depot, but trains for the military would run as and when required. david

Good spot David, I will have to ask Tony if he can confirm who the builder was. I shall have to look underneath to see the clearances.

I have always liked the re built Scots and currently have one partly built Brassmasters one. At last years Scaleforum I had the chance to buy a completed Brassmasters one which was well built and a good runner. The problem was it was painted in LMS 1947 livery ( as 46115 Scots Guardsman) and therefore out of period for me. However a re paint has now been done and the loco renamed and numbered, followed by a light weathering. Why 46148, well I saw it on the Stafford to Wellington line and was pulled by the loco on that route. Class 7s used to have a fill in turn after arriving at Shrewsbury and would run to Stafford and back before heading north from Shrewsbury with an express for Manchester or Liverpool.

A few more wagons for the layout. The 2 Cambrain wqagons are Cambrian Models kits. I think the grey I have used is a little to dark, but I had painted them a lighter shade but putting on some Klear to reduce the shadow of the waterlside transfer has darkened the colour. The LNWR Ballast wagons are Ratio.

If you put an industrial on the main line being moved it would be a relatively short distance. I once saw a Industrial going through Wellington (Salop) on its way to Bagnalls in Stafford for an overhaul but I don’t know where the loco came from. David

Fascinating thread but I would like to see more ideas on FREMO modules. I want to build a module but would like some ideas! David

Having been through the thread, the Deltic looks fabulous, but the question is, will there be a model of DP-2 to follow? David

Having repainted my Janus, filled in the buffer beams and fitted 3 link couplings, I had no layout to run it on ( it needs converting to P4) I took the opportunity of running the loco on Paul Marshall Potters new layout Shelfie 2 a week ago, and it really looked the part. The layout is based on a Northumberland colliery branch but will form part of a new Forest of Dean layout. Photo taken by Paul Marshall Potter. I shall now be buying one of the Judith Edge chassis kit. David

The shed was a sub shed of Shrewsbury LNWR so in 1912 Shrewsbury had 3033, 3070 and 3241 all Ramsbottom 0-4-0 tanks. In 1927 the shed still had 3 0-4-0 tanks now renumbered 7212, 7213 and 7214. There is no other class of Engine allocated to Shrewsbury that would fit the bill in terms of short wheelbase and weight except the 0-4-0 tanks. Although the shed closed in 1943 it was still standing in the 1960s and I used to cycle past it regularly when I lived in Trench. All was swept away with the building of Telford New Town in the late 1960s. I included photos of the shed in my book The Railways of Telford (Crowood Press). David

The shed was pre LNWR ( Shropshire Union) and Peter built this for myTrench Sidings layout. The shed closed in 1943 and the loco allocated there moved to Wellington shed and after shunting the LMS yard at Wellington would run down to Trench and shunt there. Whilst there is no definitive pregroup allocation I have a photo of one of the Ramsbottom 0-4-0 tanks which could be at Trench as it is coupled to a Shropshire Iron Co wagon. Certainly from my perspective I will be building one of the London Rd models when it is avaliable. David

Just to add further confusion you get pre 1923 built wagons painted in post 1923 liveries! It’s a total minefield and if you don’t have a dated photo assume nothing. David

I think the Manchester Ship canal loco and carriage is not quite a passenger train. I seem to remember that the carriage was for the payroll staff who would visit the various parts of the MSC system to deliver the pay packets. David

Steven, thanks for the observations on the Lilleshall Co wagon as I had surmised that the livery in the photo may have been post 1923 as only photos taken after that date show that livery. The list of wagon builders for Lilleshal are not complete, but Gloucester built the 10 ton Limestone wagons (1915 to 1920). Midland wagon Co built 48 coal wagons of 8ton capacity (1915 to 1920) and a further 48 coal wagons of 10 ton capacity between 1922 and 1924. In 1903 Renishaws supplied 20 wagons and also in 1905 Hurst Nelson supplied 50 wagons. David

Tom, personally I would defer doing the grass for the moment as you are extending the layout and it may be better to leave untill you can do both sections at the same time. As you have already demonstrated consistency is key and I would find it difficult to do one section and then some time later do the next. Your modelling is very inspirational, look forward to progress. David

Tom, love the layout and the thought processes behind it. I have a little personal story that relates to the line after closure. In 1962 or 1963 I spent 3 days walking in the area as a practice for my Duke of Edinburgh Gold expedition. At one point we (5 of us) were walking along the track bed in glorious sunshine ( it sometimes happens!) and as we passed a remote cottage at the edge of the track bed an old lady came out and asked if we would like a cup of tea! We said yes and a few minutes later she re appeared with a tray with cups of tea and plates of home made current cake. We spent the next 10 minutes devouring the cake and drinking tea, before bidding the old lady farewell and with thanks for the tea and cake. As a 15 year old I was struck by the act of kindness which I have always remembered. Reading this thread has reminded me of this act of generosity and the goodness of strangers in a remote and wild landscape. The layout captures the remoteness perfectly and the standard of modelling is exemplary. I will follow with great interest and see how it developed. David

Chris, thanks for the possitive comments. No I won’t be doing a book on the Lilleshal Co for a number of reasons, primarily because the Bob Yate book is so good and it included the bulk of the known photographs. As this thread has shown there have hardly been any new photos. Perhaps a supplement to Bob Yates book might on the cards. David

Latest purchase is this advert for the Lilleshall Co from 1867 which appeared in the Engineer Magazine. I can also reveal that I have commissioned some transfers for Lilleshall Co wagons (both Limestone and Coal wagon livery) as well as another Shropshire wagon so watch this space! As soon as they arte avaliable I will let you know. David

Excellent piece of work. The backdating is to a G1 so would be applicable from 1912. Just one miner point of the cab and tender are lined, then it should have the boiler bands lined in red. David

Richard Croft has now arranged for the chip to be reblown for me. This just shows the value of RMWeb and the good people who help out when appeals are made. Thank you Richard! David