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Tbh..
This..£59 inc lighting.
Paint out the first class yellow stripe, the “1” on the doors will come off with a cocktail stick, and make a call on whether your ok with the seating interiors.
if you didnt fancy painting..
You could buy a TSO body from Bachmann sparesbut for under £100 your pretty much there, and choose if you want TSO seats too.
The personal thing for me on the BSO will be the interior.. but if you buy a TSO body, and an interior your heading to the £90’s.. and your frame is still wrong… if your less bothered on interior you could always buy a cheap old 1970’s Hornby mk2 (c£5) and do some cut/shut on an interior using it.
Problem is BSO/FO bodies, tbh they wont fetch much.
I dont see a bargain route here, all options head towards the £90’s but there is a means to an end if you dont mind paying… thats why they are swimming around the bargain bins.
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On 26/03/2024 at 12:44, Legend said:
Is it me or has it all gone quiet on the KR front ? Shouldn’t the Leader and 4DD have arrived or be on their way ? Don’t seem to have had any announcements for a while - I think the last was the WD 2-10-0 .
Its a little quiet for all manufacturers
Ally Pally was noticeably absent of announcements (Palvan was the only one I saw).
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Have to wonder if those cashing in, are declaring it on next years tax returns or if ebay will tell the hmrc who may ask them about their little business.
Kind of hard to justify it as a personal possession if youve a whole bunch onsale weeks after release at clearly for profit pricing.
In this regard @taliesin can walk high with his conscience clear.
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21 minutes ago, brushman47544 said:
If all the 25s have similar production quantities, Phil and Jennie have a mammoth task ahead as they all arrive. I hope they can get on top of it but I can see people defecting to Bachmann if their versions (I’m sure we’ll see more than the two announced so far in the next quarterly announcements) are as good as or almost, and are available pretty much immediately.
The Bachmann one does look goid, but those who preordered the SLW class 25 at £185 are well advised to hold the course, they could obviously buy both, I intend to.
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16 hours ago, Southernman46 said:
Indeed. I remember being greeted by my parents on the platform at Birmingham New Street in December 1975 waiting for our "Merrymaker" excursion back to Kent - them from shopping in Brum and me back from successfully bunking Saltley - with the good news that they had secured my 12th birthday present in Beatties ............................. I was so excited 👍
Somewhere ive still got my Hornby 24/1 converts… filing off the horns, smoothing the roof and a bit of filler!
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8 hours ago, dj_crisp said:
Yeah the interior is a bit different ;) on the subject of BSO interiors I thought Bachmanns trick of printing on clear plastic for the guards cage area was quite neat as previously I've done this with etches. I'm thinking there perhaps should be some more windows in the guards area so may try and open them out but as yet have found any decent photos.
This is a mk2e but tbh between any of the brakes theres not much in it ..
Flickr url/ not mine
There should be a window in the corridor sliding door, and next to it, plus in the compartment another larger window hiding behind the door above the desk into the baggage area, in addition to the peep hole you can see above the chair.
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1 hour ago, dj_crisp said:
I just happen to have a few MK2fs on my workbench....
A comparison between a BSO and a TSO... there's not a great deal of differences that I reckon can't be dealt with. There's a few interesting holes in Mk2d/e differences zones ;)
Circuit boards are different but I think going from a bso to a tso will be ok.
Probably steps is the hardest thing. Personally I wouldn't try and remove a CDL as making it look ok will be quite alot of effort.
Hope this helps
What about the interior ?
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thats by far the biggest difference…
I had considered buying some cheap Bachmann BSOs for their lighting alone, BSOs can be hard to sell, even harder with stripped out lights, but I did similar with Hornbys mk1/mk2f’s and tbh they are cheaper and the lighting strip has a capacitor. Its no effort to string some wire between Bachmanns coach pickups, through the loo to the roof (i’m DC so dont need DCC capabilities) and fit the Hornby lighting board in, ended up costing me about a tenner in the stripping/disposal of the Hornby coach.
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Mix of buffered and non buffered (HST) mk3’s…
Are the mk3’s owned by LSL too?
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Paint it blue so people dont confuse it with Tornado.
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23 minutes ago, black and decker boy said:
The statement in the court judgement was from Network Rail not ORR.
even 5 services a day equates to a core fleet of around 60 vehicles rather than 130. I don’t think their original exemption even listed 130 vehicles but hey Ho, that seems to be part of the West Coast smoke & mirrors BS
It lists 128.
it doesnt change that the claim of 4 is false, and therefore the calculations are inaccurate. It ignores other factors highlighted.
I’m no fan of wcrc but ive no axe to grind either.Ive also scanned that list and tested it, for example Accurascales mk2’s are not listed…they have cdl… so reality is they have more.
Given maintenance and overhauls, special coaches etc, it is reasonable to have that many imo.
Agreed though right now they are all assets of scrap value if they cannot be used, and that value is lower than the restorative to use value… ignoring whatever else maybe required beyond cdl.
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1 hour ago, black and decker boy said:
The Jacobite needs what, 12 coaches? WCRC claim to use 130 altogether. They operate up to 4 services per day across the U.K. at speeds up to 100mph.
If This claim is by the ORR of that no operator has run more than 4 services a day then it is false.
A quick look at UKsteam will show WCRC consistently uses 5x rakes in the summer… July 9th 2019 shows 2x Jacobites, a Dalesman with 48151, a Surrey Hills/Windsor with 61306 (when it was still wcrc), a Weymouth with 35018… some of these involve mini trips on top of the main trip.
This style of pattern runs all summer long.
flickr confirms this.
Its quite possible that they have had more than 5 with research.
Thats ignoring ecs running about before / after to other locations requiring differing rakes to those out that day.
It also ignores “special” stock, like mk2 pullmans, Queen of Scots etc. which sees less frequent use.
Finally any operator at that scale needs spare coaches.
paragraph 21’s calculations are therefore not correct either.1 hour ago, black and decker boy said:-
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if the economics of 2nd class Jacobite is a poor outlook financially, due to regulation costs, maybe up the game..
Change the business from a two a day cheap day return.
fit out the Queen of Scots with cdl, and go full up market once a day instead ?
Afterall this is the approach of most other mainline steam… i’m sure if LSL step in it wont be with TSOs.
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1 hour ago, black and decker boy said:
The facts & figures of the Jacobite were laid before the court as part of the & JR and are also on companies house
the Jacobite brings in around £5.7m Of turnover per year of which around £1m is profit
the rest of the business brings in £6m and also generates around £1.4m in profit
overall for WCRC limited, turnover is £11.7m, profit before tax £2.4m (accounts to March 2023). It had over £5m cash / assets available as at March 2023.
WCRC is not poor by anyone’s yardstick.
the court assessed cost of fitting CDL to their entire fleet (the exemption and JR were not about Jacobite) was £1.8m.
Wcrcs only got the jacobite until year end this year.
other regulations such as CET tanks, internal door handles and non opening windows are already on the horizon.
Who knows how long mk1’s will be allowed at all… the ORR could decide next month thats it, or insist in sliding doors.
The £1.8mn figure, when was it based on, and by what assumptions ?… was it based on VB not AB stock, volunteers vs commercial rates, new vs s/h equipment.. theres lots of variables to a number.
Theres no guarentees that £1.8mn doesnt become £4mn or £6mn and if they didnt get a renewal in Autumn for Jacobite access it could all be nothing.
tbh I see tons of risk here to wcrc viability. The past is no predictor to the future.
Whilst others bleat they must comply, personally I think an exit is more likely…
will LSL step in? I’m sure WCRC have done the maths and concluded its a risk worth taking going for broke with this approach instead of taking the mk2’s north.
Theres a saying in sales most here would understand…. If the driver sees a train crash coming, hes got nothing to lose by trying anything no matter how desparate because the end is inevitable anyway. The unstoppable force of economics meeting the immovable object of regulation.. it could be messy in the end.
This could be what we are seeing…
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13 hours ago, kintbury jon said:
Morning. Can anyone tell me how easy it is to swap bodies over on the DCC versions? For example, if I bought a DCC fitted BSO and replaced the interior and body with a TSO, would it be a straightforward swap?
Having bought a few Accurascale Mk 2Bs I'm keen to mix and match them with some Bachmann 2F's. Sadly, all I can see in IC is a BSO/FO or Blue/Grey BSO only!
The bodies are clip fit. i have done the same swapping light fitted bodies with unlits when various special offers came around.The bad news is a BSO is pretty much only compatible with a DBSO… only the pcbs inside are close to an FO/SO… i’ll get why further down..
however say buying an FO and changing it to a SO..You can swap one for the other, things to consider are lit bodies have two pcbs.. one inside the coach frame making a bus line of the pickups, with wires/jst in the ends leading to the roof pcb, and another pcb in the roof with the leds, screw fitted.
if youve got CDL fitted coaches theres an additional two light track for these, one each end.
Bachmann has different seat interiors, for different eras, so BSO, FO, SO, Buffet, but in Blue, intercity Virgin, Scotrail interior finishes too… each is unique.its upto you how far you go…you could perhaps forgoe an FO interior in an SO body swap, but a BSO interior is totally totally different as it includes the guards/luggage space.
Finally the chassis…
the BSO has equipment and steps in different places to the FO/SO… as these are non braked, so no guards door steps etc. Theres some under floor equipment in different places too, as access to them in the FO/SO mounting would be obscured by the steps.
Finally the DBSO and BSO are pretty much the same pcbs, except the DBSO has an end light track/led for the cabs on the DBSO… those in the factory must be truly puzzled why a DBSO goes for £140+ yet a BSO they cant giveaway at £40 just by looking at the pieces. Though of course the interior of a DBSO includes the driving space, not in the BSO.
which leads me to the good news… virtually everything you need is available on Bachmann spares… you could build it from scratch yourself (though it wont be the cheapest way to do it)… but buying a cheap FO and an SO body/seat interior is the way to go… ive done this a few times… and they sell DBSO bodies / interior so a BSO to DBSO is possible (but you need front bogies with wheel guards and steps too, and some minor under frame mods unless you skip this detail).. but given the £60-100 price difference this may be a cheap alternative.
https://Bachmann-spares.co.uk/category/4-other-vehicles/mk2f-coaches?page=1
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35 minutes ago, ardbealach said:
Maybe they are hoping that the court of public opinion is on their side, and with its backing, they can start running their CDL coaches again. [Alisdair]
The problem with media is its a gamble…
if it goes viral the pressure for resolution or some form of intervention grows.
but if it doesnt, youve fired the big guns but only got little smoke.
A few weeks ago I thought this might be a good media story, but so far small beans.
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Some good feedback there for the photography, I do own an EOS80D but maybe not the right lens for close ups, my results using it on models have been poor.
I do use the iphone pro max for these pictures, and I will use track next time.
Alas I am but an amateur doing it in between work phone calls all day and dads taxi at night.., but it is my escapism fun, so the profesionals will always beat me on time, tools and quality (but thats why they get paid the big bucks).
however photography aside, the height measures were based on tyre to cab roof (not rim) using the centre wheel (as this is the models bogie tower pivot wheel) to roof using a pair of digital calipers.
Height centre wheel to roof 51.02 / 52.08 (-1.06mm)
A real 47 is 3.9m / 12’ 9.5” which at 1:76.2 suggests 51mm or at 1.76 suggests 51.3mm
So its not on photos alone I think the Bachmann one(s) are too tall.. I checked against several I had to had as I wasnt for believing it intially.
There are other merits in the Heljan one.. the separate shutter grill handrails, front cab steps upto the bufferbeam as well...
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3 hours ago, PhilH said:
LSL never has been concerned with making money. Hosking is worth a bit under £400 million, makes oodles from his other ventures and can make losses at LSL to set against other income. If you could have seen the money that was thrown at it when I was there with no hope of getting a return on that it would have made your eyes water.
Thats the concern, what happens when someone says no to him, or he gets bored, or decides on a new hobby, or stops pouring money into the firebox, especially if wcrc has gone too.
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48 minutes ago, Legend said:
Completely agree . WCRC seem to be being completely pigheaded on this , and it’s a fair point if they have this attitude towards CDL what other laws don’t they think they should be adhering too . You really want to grab them and say for goodness sake (or worse) just get on with it .
i think we now have to figure out ways of getting rid of WCRC completely and replacing them with another operating company . Won’t save this year , but hopefully we can get something better next year .
My worry is stubborn people make stubborn decisions.
theyve made there money, they could chose retirement.
if faced with walking the plank, they could take it with them to the bottom of the ocean… if they scrap all their stock and use it to build water features at their homes, rather than sell it on, it will be hard for anyone to fill their boots as simply there isnt the rolling stock out there, for anyone no matter how deep there pockets to fill the coaching stock fleet and spares wcrc has.
just look at the mainline tour program this year.. theres a gap of at least 60-70 vehicles currently… tours canceled all over, or simply dont exist this year.
if wcrc is to go, persuading them to hand over the reins may need to be a bit more diplomatic than the current approach, but I dont see an obvious buyer, unless difference with lsl were put to one side.
I would have a concern at lsl having a near monopoly on railtours.. we saw that impact when Wootton Bassett happened. Indeed theres a black hole in Crewe when it comes to steam locos there already engines go in and dont come out, controlling all the rolling stock too would be bad for other mainline steam loco groups, who arent aligned to lsl… 6201,46233,45596,35028, 61264, 62005, Rileys Black5’s etc.
I still dont see how lsl makes enough money to be self sustaining long term either.
That said, WHL could provide a home for 61306 which is about as exciting as a Thameslink 700 everywhere else, but it still needs c26 coaches, which lsl dont have, and a few other steam loco owners willing to submit to lsl’s processes, protocols and controls to fully replace wcrc…
If wcrc has to go so be it. But dont expect a shoe in replacement, and if they did shut down and throw it all in the bin, they certainly wouldnt be the first company to make such a decision, it might even be tax advantageous to bin it all and flatten carnforth and turn wcrc into a housing redevelopment company instead.
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Heres my measures Heljan 47596 / New Bachmann 47711
Length over buffer: 254mm / 253 mm (1mm)
Length over buffer beam 242mm / 240mm (2mm)
Width centre bodyside 35.42 / 35.42 (0mm)
Height centre wheel to roof 51.02 / 52.08 (-1.06mm)
* note this height as its interesting..
*A real 47 is 3.9m / 12’ 9.5” which at 1:76.2 suggests 5.1mm or at 1.76 suggests 5.13mm
Until someone has better intel, i’m leading towards the Bachmann riding a little high.
But on width they are the same, but the front end taper is different.
it may have something to do with clearances on curves as a CO- CO powered model, where as Heljans is an A1A-A1A powered model.it sits square up to Accurascales buffers
but theres a 1mm difference to Bachmanns 47
but old and new Bachmann 47’s align.
sitting on the desk in front of me they play nice…
i just wish they’d got the front end around the bufferbeam cowling corners/bottom of cab sides better, and if they sort the roof panel on the next run as well I think the gap between the Bachmann and Heljan 47 would narrow a little… if they dont I suspect it will struggle longer term.
If this kind of modification needs a budget i’d suggest looking at a 47901.
meanwhile I might take a look at taking a Bachmann 47 down a millimeter on the bogies, as it does look nice on Heljans… look at the gap between body and bogie on 47628/47596 above.
The problem I see for both models, is whilst its an improvement on previous, the previous wasnt bad… so why trade up ? The demand is imo limited to gaps of whats not been done, or high demand liveries rather than reruns and repeats*. Theres already a lot of not bad 47’s out there.
* Lima is ripe for picking, not sure about Vitrains though there 47’s arent bad either.
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On 20/03/2024 at 14:45, 25kV said:
There was a side view in MRP Profile 7, but also this in Marsden's "The AC Electrics" , the caption for which suggests that a SR-style 2-digit headcode system was proposed for a period.
The mock-up is from 1957, and its Southern counterpart appears to be lurking in the background. 😉
Originally planned for oval buffers too.
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3 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:
When's April Fool's Day this year?
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I was thinking this…
flickr url / not mine
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17 hours ago, Blandford1969 said:
Interestingly ebay sent an email today on the subject of tax
There’s no new ‘side hustle tax’!
We want to give you peace of mind that there’s no new ‘side hustle tax’ or a change to existing tax rules for selling online.
In general, if you’re selling unwanted personal possessions, such as used clothes, an old mobile phone or unwanted furniture, it’s very unlikely you’ll have to pay income tax.
Selling personal items is not taxed if they’re sold for less than £6,000 and you’re not selling as part of a business.
So, you still won’t pay tax unless:
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You are ‘trading’ or buying and selling multiple items to try and make a profit or run a business.
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You sell an asset for more than £6,000 (the level where the capital gains tax may apply).
Check out these examples:
Grace, Manchester
Grace sells old clothes to make space in her wardrobe. Even if she sells a lot of her old or unwanted clothes, she isn’t trading and sells for less than she paid for them, so there is no tax.
Annual eBay income: £420
Annual eBay profit: £0
Taxes owed: £0
Ben, London
Ben sells his collection of trading cards for a profit. Even though he receives £18,000 and makes a profit of £2,900, he has a capital gains tax-free allowance, so there is no tax.
Annual eBay income: £18,000
Annual eBay profit: £2,900
Taxes owed: £0
Claire, Bristol
Claire sold her old furniture when she moved house. Some of the furniture was valuable, but always less than £6,000 per item, so there is no tax.
Annual eBay income: £4,000
Annual eBay profit: £0
Taxes owed: £0
Its nice to see ebay squeal for a change.
It felt to me that they were trying to push private sellers away in preference to businesses for the last few years.
i wouldnt be surprised if the two are a symbiotic ecosystem, and private sellers clearing out spend their cash on business sellers tat.. so scaring one away maybe affected sales of the others thus hitting ebays numbers twice.
i couldnt see anything from ebay, but a quick google gives the community forum this insight from sellers there
https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/Seller-Central/Downfall-in-Sales-February-2024/td-p/7567514
i used the search “ebay uk sales down 2024”
it does reveal similar threads for jan and march, with similar complaints so it could be sellers grumbling, interestingly this rmweb actually makes front page on google… maybe us modellers are more significant than others ?
certainly a £5 pair of shoes will take a lot more effort to get attention than £150 loco when it comes to reporting numbers.
i did learn ebays golden year was 2018 for number of worldwide buyers, 180mn, its lost 50mn users since then.Its always worth reading the ts and cs of American companies…(even when they are Chinese under the hood)..
here you are giving away your photo, voice, likeness, opinions, statements worldwide forever… for £40…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68675652
Sounds like an AI feast of harvesting your soul for any purpose they like in perpetuity, who knows you may become the next Taylor Swift with all the celebrity issues but for just a £40 payment.
maybe its time to go back to old fashioned swapmeets ?
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22 hours ago, SM42 said:
Hornby 4 VEPs at €269.99 till 1st April from Model Bahn Union
OK you have to take off 19% German VAT, convert to pounds and pay UK VAT plus £12 admin fee to the post office ( choose DHL option it comes Deutsche Post and Royal Mail) in about 5 days or so.
Still a good price in my opinion regardless
Andy
Or buy it from Bure Valley Models for £276
https://www.burevalleymodels.com/p/22318/R30107---South-West-Trains-Class-423-4-VEP-EMU-Train-Pack
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Hornby 2024 range announcements
in Hornby
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I await to be amazed on that …
but it says its this era, but it wasnt AB until 2022, they could claim it in the 2019-2022 period with VB only.