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January looks like an expensive month, better cut down on christmas presents

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On 31/12/2016 at 16:27, Porcy Mane said:

Oh no! What have I done?

 

 

Forgotten to remove the door darts and buffers ?

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On 02/05/2020 at 19:13, truffy said:

• We've travelled on the K&ESR several times. Happy memories.
• We've visited Bodiam on the K&ESR.
• I like the livery.
• My youngest daughter's (the one who likes trains and TTTE) favourite colour is blue.

FWIW, I'm happy that it's being presented as in service, not as preserved. Generally, I don't go for 'as preserved' liveries.

most preserved railways aren’t preserved, indeed very few recreate their past accurately. I think railway modellers probably do that much more. Some aspire too, but most just seem to collect as a random living museum of artifacts... so “Tourist Railway” or “Museum Railway” is probably a better term. They exist for tourists afterall, and their stock, locos and line is often designed, modified in such a way as to support that, rather than preserving historical accuracy, often to the detriment of the local history that surrounds them.
 

Many tourist railways have now been around longer, than rolling stock built after those lines became established...I always find it amusing that 73082 (1955) is only 3 years older than the line it resides on closed (1958), but yet has been working condition on the Bluebell decades more than it ever worked on BR...it’s effectively preserved in its “preservation era service ” condition, making its own post BR history... 73082 away from Bluebell some how would seem wrong... of course back on track but Stepney as anything but Stepney would also seem wrong.

23 hours ago, Phil Parker said:

 

There's nothing like a little ray of sunshine to brighten our days is there?

The page is filled with comments about how to make money from this model, berating Hornby for increasing sales volumes, or how much Hornby is “allegedly” making... yet I get called out for highlighting the human aspect...

ive been a mass supporter since the first page, to me it means more than money, forgive me if I’m holding the wrong script. I thought this was about helping people via the NHS, again, not financially for themselves.

There’s a lot of suffering going on right now, I know exactly how it feels, I felt an identical situation, with someone who gave 20 years to this very hobby, and represented in a wide geography. He lost his life in near identical circumstances, just 3 years ago.. and he freely gave his spare time, outside the hobby,  to the NHS for free for several year, not for financial gain. He would have done the right thing then, I’m trying to do it now.
 

My little one is ecstatic about this model, and cpt Tom, and the real loco, she doesn’t care what it costs. But she’s scared praying every night that no one in our family goes through what her grandad went through.

I’m obviously in it for the wrong reasons, apologies for standing up to you, but I feel differently about this model, and don’t have much sentiment for those discussing the financials of this model, But more for those who suffer loss because of wider reasons that requires the needs of it. 

sure enjoy it, if it makes you get suns rays from accumulating value in it, but I didn’t understand why it’s wrong to not think about the ongoing consequences that necessitates it. Realising a high price on ebay of a model isn’t a substitute for losing a close person who used to own it... ive experience there too.

Hornbys doing this model for the right reasons, and I am hugely supportive of that. But I am left, after reading tolerated comments, wondering if those buying it are.
 

stay safe, support this model, whatever your reason.

Lets hope, given the reason why its been made, that everyone whom has ordered one, is still around to receive them.

This model is being made for areason, and its not just for pleasure or profit.

4 hours ago, BernardTPM said:

1980's Rocket 150 was more about the opening of the Liverpool & Manchester in 1830; there had been a 'Trials' event in 1979 for which replicas were built. Of course APT was there, one nose-end up, hauled by a Class 56 (one of the first with the revised and simplified cabs).

not to mention a 40 with a BOC tanker, and a diesel ban busting self propelled Western.... it would be 8 more years before a western applied power on the mainline.. shoving an errant 33 at Winchfield 150 in similar controlled conditions.

R2645 and above is the new tooling, note r2645 in itself is rare as rocking horse...

if in doubt look for the foot steps under the 4 cab corners... present = new tooling, metal buffers and radio aerials are giveaways too. Shows how good the old tooling was if its that hard to identify.

Service sheet 310 is the new tooling, though note the electrics on DCC fitted ones are different to dcc ready versions... relating to LEDs.

Consider though the new tooling has several permutations, Roumanian, Headlight style, different front grills etc.

I think age is catching up with us.

The last few posts reminds me of conversations my dad used to have 30 years ago, when forums were in person “meetings”, In smoked filled rooms on late school evenings, and the discussions were about Duchesses and other various movements of other class 8’s.

I assume there’s no guessing where this image was though..

Wow I just discovered you guys...

what a surprise I thought this was going to be a kit of bits, not a nearly complete body.

Really impressed..
 

my plan is to recreate 67 and 70 from the Manchester Ship canal, Hudswell Clarke Long Tanks so will be filling the footplate handrail holes, rubbing down the tank rivets and making my electrotren chassis inside cylinder.

(not my image)

I never thought I’d see these done.

The 1800 class I’ve no idea yet, I’m just going to build it and see what becomes.

if I could add a request, could you do an MSC short tank, so I can recreate the early days of the ELR and Last days of the MSC.. ? basically.. shorten the tanks of the long tank version, raise the height to the boiler top and stretch the bunker / cab roof 2mm, plus sand boxes (as per 1800, oil box, spring and pipe)... please consider.. 31 and 32 are very widely travelled in preservation ;-) .

meanwhile, these 3 new arrivals will keep me busy to join my  lamented ARC models RSH while was produced all too briefly.

Q

great kit guys !

Ive been watching that kit too on ebay, its nice to see one assembled, indeed the blue grey looks really nice.

i’m tied between this and thinking of getting a 150/2 and making a 318 from it.

Though that said my discounted 170’s arrived today and i’m thinking of a class 357.

too many ideas not enough time.

2 hours ago, Neal Ball said:

I suspect the near 3000 locos sold of the class 66 GBRF NHS loco have done wonders for the Hornby bottom line. 

 

Maybe on passive sales, publicity & accountancy but I doubt the model is in it’s own right.

£74.99

(£12.50 VAT)

(£40.00 donation)
leaves £22.49.. then theres postage to your address.

give Hornby there due kudos and commendations on this one.

Ive just ordered a Gypsy Hill too.

(sentence sounds like cockney rhyming slang).

10 hours ago, lyneux said:

ADB968008, since we seem to be re-visiting page 11 of the thread all over again,

On that note i’ll exit and remove my contribution.

Needless to say we disagree.

1 hour ago, 47449xeCD said:

47541 lost its plates in February 1991. 47461 was withdrawn after an accident in November 1990. 

ah you could be right here, by coincidence I just found the negative sheet for this, the other pictures show a pair of blue 20’s at Stoke, and a parcels 47 outside Piccadilly, followed by some DMUs (Hybrid Strathclyde/Bluegrey 101) and  a Welsh Dragon class 108 at Bolton... which was “home”.

The next images are East Lancs with 76079, 40145... but the giveaway is USA Tank 30072 at Bury shed.... it wasnt at Bury very long... just one winter I recall, to help with Santa Specials and a winter gala the shed is also Castlecroft, so before BQ depot closed (in 1991)... A quick look online suggests it was at KWVR winter 90/91, so maybe December 89 - Feb 90 ?

Lets not get dragged into rights and wrongs of people changing their mind,

66731 has a place in history, and only buying the model now (not 2nd hand in the future) makes it poignant to the current event.. and your own sense of feeling... your able to proudly say ”Look I contributed, I took part”.

The focus is on the collective achievement. Theres a big sum of cash being raised here for the NHS now.

2500 models in 24 hours shows the strength of feeling in the hobby towards wanting to do contribute something, and in a unique way that Hornby has enabled us to.

And if you want a further sense, look on twitter at the scenes at various depots and signing on points yesterday where staff were flashing lights / sounding horns enmasse in Capt Toms honour.. 73202 was a bit of a disco with a headboard on SL depot with fireworks going off behind !

People in the industry and the hobby care, they want to show it.

1 hour ago, Martin_R said:

Hornby could have have the best seller of the decade maybe the century so why not let the orders run and then just make them so we can all have one - not just those who want a limited edition to sell at a massive profit.

 

Danger is of course that another brand(s) could also step in with their own version (correct body etc) and then people jump ship and cancel their Hornby order.........

your not buying a model, your making a donation to the NHS and getting a locomotive for your gratitude.

I doubt Hornby is making anything on this... remember there’s 20% VAT off the £75, and £40 is to the NHS, plus p&p to you..

Maybe another manufacturer might offer a detailed model on commercial terms, but I think it not appropriate to undercut or compete on this model until after the charity benefits have been realised.

This  isn’t about model railway competition or superdetailed models, its about having an oppourtunity to say you’ve contributed to seeing an end result on something much bigger than our hobby, and on this basis Hornby is the channel we can use to take part.

if Tom Jones made a cover of You’ll never walk alone, you wouldn’t refund Captain Toms cover version.. same applies here.

We donated £100 to Captain Toms appeal, Ive also bought this model, it’ll be my only Hornby 66, Ive no other interest in Hornby 66’s.  and if another model was made next year by someone else I’d maybe consider it too. But this model gives me chance to say I’ve contributed, in a way that relates to my hobby,  it’ll join other “significant memory” locomotives in my collection, which my daughter gets to hear a story about, and may be her children someday, and of course, its a token to show your contribution...

value/quality/price/detail/future value are irrelevant.. it’s giving you chance to take part, in a manner that defines your character as a railway enthusiast, in something much bigger than any of us... 

very impressive, what a great story.

i’m really thrilled to see the hobby move in this way, it shows people want to play their part. 
My little ones been super excited tonight by the news of the real loco, and now of the model, as well as being glued to the TV at 8am this morning.

Such a story of hope.

Still showing available on my screen...

my order has successfully completed.

Well it took my credit card details, and gave me this in response...

maybe they've gone looking for it in the back room ?

Keep trying, 

I do hope they sell out tonight, it would be a great headline for Hornby, for Toms birthday and of course the NHS.

Maybe though Hornby should hold on to Number 1,100 and 500.. then auction them to highest charity bidder.

Maybe its designed like Captain Toms walk, you have to try 100 times ?

Just now, phil-b259 said:

It must have created quite a stir - the Hornby website keeps giving me a '504 Gateway timeout' error message.

Same here.

Given the timeliness of events, and the long lead times out of china,

a better route maybe a specialist commission of resprays, and maybe consider to auction them with funds above a baseline offered to charity.

1 hour ago, Colin_McLeod said:

Looks like it's impossible to please everyone.

 

Are you new to the forum ?

Not many locomotives today that are duplicated carrying names on the network at the same time.. theres  800035 and 66731, any other instances post 1948 ?

Too late my 11th order just went in.. I needed buffers and bufferstops.

its actually my 15th  order, as I missed the DRS pfa and got them from Rails, and the Castle PCAs which I had to get last minute from TMC, then theres the NRM HUOs and the Green PFAs...

I still say i’m vendor agnostic and non-biased in my purchases.

;-)