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4 hours ago, TomScrut said:

 

Where are the extra decals? I have just been looking at a pic of it from last week and can't see anything any different!

 

But yes I sort of agree with you, like how Hattons have done with the Biffa 66. On the other hand I do understand why Accurascale are keeping 92032 as it was rather than changing to as is (even though being a member of IMechE I'd have liked it but will probably get 92020 instead now)

They added some extra wording under the various Freightliner logos, saying. “a Gennessey & Wyoming company”

and some health motivator statements  next to the cab doors saying “Zero injuries our goal every day”.

I dont see why “Bachmann should have released it bang up to date”, a point in time is a point in time, every model ever released aims to replicate a point in time, just because modern image isnt “as I saw it this morning” doesnt mean its bad... its now historical.
 

its a good job you weren't around in the 1990’s, 33008, 47145 had a livery mod almost every month... even Limas every 2 week releases couldn't keep up !

a few quid on transfers during lockdown will solve your problems,

3 hours ago, TomScrut said:

 

Where are the extra decals? I have just been looking at a pic of it from last week and can't see anything any different!

 

But yes I sort of agree with you, like how Hattons have done with the Biffa 66. On the other hand I do understand why Accurascale are keeping 92032 as it was rather than changing to as is (even though being a member of IMechE I'd have liked it but will probably get 92020 instead now)

They added some extra wording under the various Freightliner logos, saying. “a Gennessey & Wyoming company”, and some ISO complaint markings next to the cab doors.

I dont see why “Bachmann should have released it bang up to date”, a point in time is a point in time, every model ever released aims to replicate a point in time, just because modern image isnt “as I saw it this morning” doesnt mean its bad... its now historical.
 

its a good job you weren't around in the 1990’s, 33008, 47145 had a livery mod almost every month... even Limas every 2 week releases couldn't keep up !
 

16 minutes ago, truffy said:

Feel better now, sweetie?

Sounds like someone who has had a long happy marriage.

A Leader, and a class 89, are to me, the obvious gaps in unique rtr classes, but i’m excited by the thought of a Fell first.

The gearing in the small wheel motors (101/156/73/Bil/Belle etc) I believe is not the same as the larger ones (87/86/90/91 etc)... this was certainly the case in Lima.

Also 5 pole is confusing... Hornby did make some 5 pole ringfield motors too... it was just the same old ringfield motor, with a 5 pole armature in, (not DCC ready), it did standout over the 3 pole in performance, but it sits in-between the 3pole ringfield and the 5 pole “can” motor in their current models... examples in my collection include 86261/86401 in EWS livery, so i’d say circa 2004-2012 models.

9 hours ago, MGR Hooper! said:

I thought the most recent Hornby Class 91s had the usual Hornby style motorized bogies i.e. with a 5-pole motor??? Something that all Hornby Railroad models now have. Limby issue aside, I was always under the impression that Lima also used pancake motors like the much older Hornby models?

 

Can anyone confirm please.

Lima used pancake motors in a broadly similar design to Hornbys (a little more engineered ), on all their UK range except the class 20 and class 67, though the class 40 was designed to have the chassis mounted motor, it appeared with the pancake, the gearbox is part of the dummy bogie moulding.

Iirc there was a Lima plan to upgrade the class 50 to a central mounted motor, as well as OO gauge bogies and filling the sandboxes, but BR started withdrawing them enmasse and sales went through the roof so it was postponed.

I dont follow Hornbys old class 91 too closely, but  R3365 (East Coast) onwards has the new 4 wheel bogie with the can motor, which was also used in the Freightliner class 86 and the current range class 90’s. Prior to this was the ringfield motor dating back to the 91’s development (Service sheet 208b) though it had a 5 pole armature instead of a 3 pole armature for a period. (service sheet 285), There isnt a service sheet for the new Railroad 91, but there are a few gaps between sheets 400-420, it could be one of them.

The same 4 wheel bogie seems to be used in the R2772/87 class 87, R2939 class 33, and r3xxx + releases of 86,90 & 91.

hope this helps.

I was drawn to the outward opening doors on the drivers cab of 10100 there...

not many diesel locos with outwards opening cab doors, must have been awkward boarding from the track level, though noted 1st gen DMUs were mostly this way.

If Falcon was the Diesel -Electric version of a Western...

maybe that 47 on a Mainline Warship chassis should be called Pigeon, a Hydraulic version of a 47 ?

If you need couplings, I can help.

4 hours ago, Reorte said:

More cases in the UK than Germany is of course a possibility, although with the limits of testing it's hard to know for sure. If it's correct - which may well be the case, it both raises the question about why Germany overall numbers are in reality lower, and what to do about it now. But the point is that Germany has got it right. Now we can't magic up testing capability (although it's concerning that it doesn't seem to be growing at all), but what can we do similarly? Is Germany testing random people with no symptoms, and getting results back before they develop them? If so then we're not in a position to follow their approach, although we should be working on getting there ASAP. If it is along those lines then I'd ask if we're not being strict enough about any sort of cough - get one at all an isolate. Personally I think that is one of the mistakes we made, asking anyone with any flu-like or even cold-like symptoms to isolate too late, and being a bit blase about people returning from certain key areas. However that's history now. Can we learn anything useful for now?

Germanys cases started with a cluster in a more remote part of western Germany, which coincidentally started with a cluster in Frances Eastern border.. which just so happen to be next to each other, so are probably related.

The region is less dense, than London with 8million people, never the less it’s slowly spread, but the testing in France and Germany is a chalk and cheese comparison of what to do and what not to do and results are clear.

London was always going to grow much faster, whilst an R-number of 2 or 3 is often touted as the virus average, it is an average.. one sneeze in a tube carriage in rush hour, could infect dozens at once and dozens more touching the handles during the day... London is very weak to defend from the virus... by counter a sneeze in the outer Hebridean isles is likely to affect little.

That’s why this proposed mobile phone app based plan is doomed to fail if implemented in isolation... its honesty based, probably only on 20% worst case detections arriving in hospital, and so people will be isolating themselves in droves 3 weeks after exposure... and only 20% of those exposed will then go on to be detected at hospital...and then theres those infected by the tube carriage surfaces for the rest of the day after the infected passenger has exited the train... long out of Bluetooth range, and again detected 3 weeks later...

They will need to be able to tests hundreds of thousands daily in London alone to be successful in this approach, even then unless it’s random testing they are waiting 5-14 days for people symptoms to show and come in for a test....unless they rely on the herd becoming immune over time.

1 hour ago, Reorte said:

 

The place to look at for effective measures seems to be Germany - the high number of cases quite probably being down to simply being able to detect more, but a relatively low number of deaths.

I think that’s misguided.

Ive not seen any science that suggests speaking German gives immunity to Coronovirus, or that sniffing the odours of the oder proffers immunity, or that  German ventilators world better than ours, or even that really strong curry wurst is a cure.

but based on today’s figures..

I’d wager that when Germany says they have detected 125k cases and approximately 2% have died, that Germany really had an infection rate close to 125k cases as they tested as many as possible to detect it, and 2.5% of that - 2,500 died.

The “field” testing says what’s happening on the street today or recently.. Hospital testing only occurs after 5 -14 days symptomless spreading and 7 days illness (still spreading it) that’s suddenly got so bad you’ve gone to hospital.

But conversely in the UK, when they say 12107 have died, that it represents 2.5% of the infection rate, of which 20% ended in hospital - 80,000  (we have 88k cases today), indicating the  infection rate was around 650,000 cases in the UK 3 weeks ago.. much greater than Germany’s test results today.

The difference being testing.. which is only done upon desperate cases arriving at the hospital doors... not mild cases detection in the community. Germans community testing is finding and shutting it down (reducing the R multiplier by taking even mild undetected cases off the streets), much sooner, and so keeping the scale down and the exit strategy much easier to predict... 0 cases today and for 2 weeks after then your clear.

its not that the UK is badly prepared, it’s that our outbreak is much larger than Germany’s.

Therefore the climb down from lockdown will be much longer, as the litmus test is the % of the 20% cases arriving at hospital... when it falls to c20 a day cases at hospital, and c2 deaths a day... that’s a sign of c100 infections a day in the wider community, 3 weeks ago...

But without community testing, you don’t know if a cluster is developing, until the cases arrive at hospital 3 weeks later, by which time an R3 multiplier could take 10 cases to 800 cases by the time you find it, and 7200 cases before you stall it.

2 hours ago, Lantavian said:

 

 

 

Plus disinfecting feet, mass testing, mandatory cleaning communal surfaces every hour, widespread use of temperature checks not just in government and transport, but restaurants, hotel, retail, frequent changing clothes... I saw it all in 2003 in HK... I felt invincible and still ended up with suspected sars, I described the symptoms on here, which people laughed. I described that the UK could end up isolated and locked down, shops closed, I was told I was hysterical.  So I just withdrew,  but kept on reading... I see now people are not laughing any more..

ultimately there’s no point wasting forum words.

What makes Asia’s response even more mark able ...is even crowded HK, Singapore and South Korean cities are too, which makes it even more remarkable.

 But this is all alien to the west.... they don’t understand it and don’t listen to it... no one alive remembers the last great pandemic in Europe. Brits don’t even listen to each other. Politicians here already think its nearly over. Health professionals are under intense pressure to bow to economic needs.

Europe just doesn’t understand it, and holds self belief In their powers of control, but sadly they will after the second wave.. if like others in history, will be much worse than the first...

food for thought.. there’s more than one country in North America.. no one talks of 37m Canadians on one of earths largest land masses, on a border with the worlds largest cluster of cases.. just 25k cases... the biggest mitigator to this virus is distance...and anything you can do to block or increase that distance... that’s why it’s called social distancing, that’s why London is empty.. open it back up and it just comes right back at you.

if masks don’t work.. then why are healthcare professionals using them and millions spent sourcing them ?

anyway we’re a good social distance from Supermarkets... and risk infecting this thread.

18 minutes ago, Lantavian said:

The masks are not to protect you.

 

They are to protect everyone else from you, just in case you are contagious.

 

People in East Asia understand this.

 

Why don't people in the West get it?

Because Europeans don’t listen to Asians, instead they try to impose their will on each other, North American’s just seek to accumulate.

if masks offered self preservation, you can guarentee everyone and his dog, would be wearing them, but that isn’t the case..., only those who have experienced this before are doing it.

I understand healthcare workers getting priority, but the sheer levels of hostility towards those who have self procured them, often from overseas, is to me  either jealous or misguided, it should be a personal choice, on personal needs.

13 minutes ago, Metr0Land said:

 

Both these things seem to be related to women having XY chromosomes and men having XX.

 

 

My theory is that men are more brow beaten by women their nose collects the virus more.
As women thumb up their noses more at men, the nasal passages are above the gravity line of the virus.

it could of course be much simpler... men don’t wash hands all day, pick noses and digest more of the virus than women.

57 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

Can you get Marmite flavoured pot noodle?

No but even the Chicken & Mushroom, Beef &Tomato ones are vegetarian friendly..

And if you dont like your neighbours, cut out that little white box between the brush holders ;-)

On 30/03/2020 at 20:24, steve1023 said:

Version 1 was plain green body, full yellow ends, grey roof and orange cantrail stripe. Released from Eastleigh works June 86. Lasted about 1 month.

Version 2 was as above but added the white body stripe (this is the version Heljan have done) - also lasted roughly a month.

Version 3 added white cab window surrounds to the above - maybe lasted 2 months.

Version 4 was the big change - small yellow panels, white body stripe all the way round too look like the original green livery. This lasted to around 1990 ish when it was replaced by departmental grey, then dutch and then.....

Version 5 which was similar to version 4 but with subtle differences, namely 1990's mods such as roof pod, headlights, incorrect TOPS style number font and initially it had a very thin red stripe at the bottom of the white body stripe although ISTR this being later removed. This was sometime in 1992 and it remained in this livery until it had the bodywork overhaul at Cranmore a couple of years ago.

 

Dates are approx. as I remember.....

Steve

As a kid spending summers around Westbury in the late 1980’s, this is the version I remember most commonly around that time...

(link, not mine).

I have my Lima 33008 reflecting this style since that time.

I do remember seeing this on services to/ex Bristol many times, it was a regular, often daily around this time.

Though I do remember mods to this livery thinking they had spoiled it, as to my mind this was 33008 at its best.

13 hours ago, 47164 said:

I see if you look at Lima locos , a seller is almost trying to dominate the market with loads of buy now items, some rare but in the main over the top prices... good luck to him I think he is in for a long wait.

thing Ilike about Lima, is its Pot Noodle like qualities.

its cheap but looks ok, you can’t avoid getting a fix every now and again.

It will never be rare, it’s the 1990’s equivalent of Triang.
Coveted by a few, bottom feeder fodder to most.

On 13/04/2020 at 12:54, Baby Deltic said:

Appearance is everything...

rearguard action ?

1 hour ago, Ozexpatriate said:

I've not been following this thread and don't know if this Walmart CEO observation was shared on the phases of panic-buying:

 

Week 1: Hand sanitizers, soaps and disinfectants

Week 2: Toilet paper

Weeks 3 and 4: Spiral hams and baking yeast

Week 5: Hair clippers and hair dye on the rise

 

Apparently men are anxious about the length of their hair and women's roots are now growing out.

 

Personally I would add flour and sugar to Week 3. A large pork processor supplying percentage points of US pork products in the US has closed due to COVID-19 hitting workers at the factory. These sort of supply chain disruptions might factor as well as things develop.

All we need is one BBC journalist to add “black 0-6-0 goods engines” to the list and many of the model railway industries problems are solved.

Why not just make one version of Fell now...

Would enough people who want one, buy one, regardless of a set of rods ?
 

then once its sold, retool a different body to re-use on the existing chassis / mechanism w/rods as a second bite of the cherry if demand allows it...? 

(hint, if your anywhere close to a slightly used class 71 tooling, that could make the same chassis mechanism useful for a class 74 body too ;-)

9 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

There wasn't much room where the engines were, another mystery is why they didn't make it a bit longer. It wasn't possible to lift the main engines out without dismantling the cab but a few inches extra length would have allowed this - it's not as if it had to fit any sort of length restriction.

10100 wasn't exactly a failure, it was at the time the most powerful single unit diesel in Britain and YE later used a similar power take up principle in Taurus but with only two engines. The latter worked perfectly well, they just couldn't sell it to BR.

Fell built 1950 @Derby, 10000 built at Derby with EE...

So once the Fell, fell out of favour, maybe the lessons learned about maintenance were passed via Osmosis from Derby to EE and learnt on Deltic introduced in 1955..where engines were exchangeable in rapid time ? 

On 10/04/2020 at 16:33, Mark Saunders said:

 

Not mine, they put it in your bin and deliver the card next door!

On 10/04/2020 at 16:39, melmerby said:

Meanwhile the bin men come and take it away.

True word said in jest, I had a £600 order from derails left in the neighbours bin on bin day once... fortunately they left it an hour after the bin man went.

3 hours ago, JDW said:

 

Good luck with that - Realtrack coupling <--> Bachmann coupling... Oh for the good old days of tension lock couplings, eh...?! 

It wasn’t possible out of the box in the 1990’s either...

the Bachmann 158 was one of the first models made with this new fangled NEM coupling thingy mi-jiggy which no one liked at the time, as there was no “loop”, just the Roco style one.. of course there was no coupling at all on the front.

And the Lima 156... it came with a plastic monkey wrench shaped fitting that was only designed to couple two 156’s together with nothing else... the way around it was Fleischmann couplings, but then the only other rtr 2nd Gen dmus (Dapols 150/155 and Hornbys 142 had no coupling either) didn’t have an easy way to retrofit them either.

in short we’ve come a long way to stand still... though until recently we had NEM fittings on 143/144/150/153/5/6, nothing on a 142 and unique fitting to a 158.

3 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

That sounds like a turbocharged engine, the ones in the Fell were mechanically supercharged, superchargers driven by two 150hp railcar engines.

6 engines inside... now I’m starting to understand why it was a one off.

Derby having already built 10001/2 they must have known this was a lemon whilst building it.

Are you feeling lucky ?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Surprise-Box-Of-Bachmann-Train-8-In-Total-All-Boxed-Some-New-Some-Great/392759593020?hash=item5b724bc83c:g:~cYAAOSw9D1ekyko