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Anyone confirm that those are indeed Bailey Bridge supports? Would be interesting if they were... Thanks for all the freeback and replies everyone

Thanks for the reply Pete. Anyone out there that can help?

Any plans for any EE engines in 4mm? EE 12SVT or 12CSVT? James

Thanks for the replies everyone. So it seems they did find use, but not carrying trains, but the odd road bridge or school roof. Any further information on the Scottish uses after WW2? I'm in Guyana at the moment and there are a fair few still in use (converted to road use) along the old railway line that runs from GT to Berbice.

Did Bailey Bridges ever find use I the UK rail network ? Mainline? Secondary? Industrial lines? They seem fairly common overseas, but relatively scarce I. The U.K. ? If not, any particular reason? J

Me too! I have put this project on hold - moving house means it's all boxed up. I have a Bedford chassis I was using as a basis - but alas little time. I'd be happy to have 2/3 of these.

Cheers Mozzer, I mean it's not all bad, I've now enough bits to almost build 4 Barclays from 2 kits, given access to castings. But I've still left with 3 kits that in current state of affairs can't be finished without some significant scratch building. I'm grateful for the part San s kits that Trevor suppliers, as it is currently out of my skill range to design kits (working on it). It's frustrating. James

Has anyone else had issues with missing parts from their 4mm kits ordered in the last year? If so, were these issues resolved? If so how? I have purchased 5 industrial kits during the past year, and 3/5 have had missing parts, and in some cases contained extra parts. OX1 Peckett Kit - missing all castings, a few etches and sent the wrong saddle tank wrapper. 16" Barclay (prewar) - missing several castings - cross heads, and springs. Missing foot plate/running plate etch, cylinder etch brake block etch. Bizarrely came with 5 chimneys, and extra cab (in brass) and buffer beam etches. 16" Barclay (postwar) - missing half the white metal saddle tank (does come with etched saddle wrapper), brake block etches and numerous castings. Again, also include 2 extra chassis, and half an extra cab. Also have a Class 14 and a 55050 Class, haven't really delved into these yet. I've emailed Trevor numerous times with pictures and listed what I think is missing, and the usual response is/was "I'll send with the next kit", or "be in the post next week". I understand that he was overwhelmed with the response to only batch produce kits. Last few emails have gone unanswered. Is all OK? Are they still trading? Have I been unlucky, or is this normal experience to get a kit with major components missing? Any suggestions as to follow up (bearing in mind I'm in Austalia). Cheers, James

For those that are interested, found the Flickr site I was after - quite a eclectic mix of locomotives: https://www.flickr.com/photos/65480188@N07/albums/72157660508002809/with/14911457668/

I'm my quest to find out a little more about these locos via the Internet it seems that the " Spondon Type" was used quite commonly by the CEGB across units operations in both overhead electric and battery modes, there's is one I believe preserved at Manchester from Bolton. So that makes, Spondon, Bolton, Sunderland - are there any others? I have lost the saved linked but someone going by the pusedoname of "Blackmagic" on Flickr has some great shots of those at Bolton, Spondon and a handful of other types of battery electric locos at other power stations (e.g Stourport). https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/8105164294 This design also seems to have been used in other industries - notably brickworks - see this thread. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/31785-bedfordshire-brickworks-electric-railway-system/ And the already mentioned Glasgow Docks. Slightly different bonnet design under the window - lacks semi circle cut out under window (bonnets not hinged?) http://www.srpsmuseum.org.uk/10014.htm The one at Preston - Ribble Steam - is of a slightly different design as some have already pointed out - deeper Windows and bonnets of a slightly shorter design. but on the same chassis. ive started a Judith Edge kit of the Harton Locos - lovely little kit - this uses laminate sides with the detail soldered to plain sides - I was thinking of something similer for these locos should a kit come forth. Edit - Stourport not Stourbridge

Well I for one would be keen for 4mm scale version. I'm not sure what medium you were planning to use for the superstructure ( I was thinking etched brass/NS). Might be an idea to provide a few different louvre options so different versions could be created? If not to difficult to incorporate. I've not got much furher than rescaling the drawing provided by PGH based on the dimensions provided, and rescaling my own work. J

My cranked version turned up today in the post - rather happy with it. Comparing it to the non-cranker version it does appear to have a slightly shorter wheelbase and larger wheels? Was this true of the prototype also? If so what was the reason? Can anyone on this website enlighten me and others to why they made the two varients? Was the 4wDM for working in the vacinity of people and cranks and rods rotating around seen as a hazard? J

Martin - well having bought the Judith Edge Harton #10 loco it has been designed for a high level chassis set at 24mm / 6ft so I'm led to believe there is one in the pipe line, so that would be my chosen method of propulsion. I've also a couple of black beetles set at 24mm wheel spacing also. So they are my thoughts on drive line at the moment. I've also a RT models Sentinel in the way - be interesting to see what WB that is. Was planning on using the PNL4 pantograph, but I also found a site in the US that makes trolley poles (proto87 shop), which maybe be a tad underscore, but barely noticeable me thinks.If I decide to be brave and model that form Different window types is something that can be modelled I think, some seem to have square corners while others are rounded. Is that the difference between rubberised vs not? It does seem that there are quiet a few still in existence in various forms - Ribblehead, Scottish precaution society, Coventry Electric Railway museum and the Fixfield railway. Kelly - thank you very much for the links, photos are invaluable - good side on shots in there. I'd seen a couple floating about the net, so nice to find the actual source. Ray - yes, I think this looks like an earlier version of the type. Annoyingly when I grew up I probably visited this loco as a kid when I lived in Southport (at Steamport) and never made it to Preston as if moved away by that point. Once again info is fantastic and so are all the comments, thank you.Shoukd find some time to do some more drawing this week - engine conversion on the Landy almost complete :/ James

Thank you all for your replies, very much appreciated, and such a wealth of information. I should perhaps change the title to reflect the class rather than one particular prototype. You are all quite correct, it is a HUO - I had a look back through my notes I had made - I had used a dis 1/148 or 1/154 since that is what the wagon in the Geoff's pages most resembled. Thanks for the confirmation. I also note that in Modelling the Coal Industry, by Rob Johnson there is one of these locomotives used at the Sunderland power station, p.75 from memory. Will track down the issue of Bylines magazine. Little more common than I thought. PGH - thanks for the image, what a find! Yes, it looks a little larger - slightly more overhand past the wheels, but wheelbase looks identical and so do the cabs, so plenty to work with there. Should be able to scale image from the dimensions given. Avonside - any measurements would be much appreciated, I had not forgot that there was one that the foxfield, seems a little more accessible than the one at Coventry. I'm not sure I'll be in the UK for at least 6 months, poissble longer. Once again many thanks James

Well the more people that request, the more chance of the product coming to market

Hi All, A little request for some help from overseas. I've been trying to get back into the hobby for a little while and design up a few etches etc of the odder, small little industrial locomotives. Like most projects a little bit of slow burner, not helped by the fact 1) work, 2) landrovers get in the way and 3) that I chose something to model that I can't find too many drawings off, but there is a preserved example. So far I have started with trying to get the basic dimensions right - most of these can be guestimated from chair spacing and height of wagons - well that is what I have done and have this so far: The only info I have from http://www.emus.co.uk/spdn.htmis that the wheel diameter is 2ft 9". The rest has been guesitmated from the 21t hopper that appears to be being shunted by the loco on http://www.geoffspages.co.uk/raildiary/emidsodd_htm_files/111.jpg From this I estimate that the wheel spacing is 6ft and overall height a little shy of the max height of a 21t ~10ft 6". I have estimated that the total length is 12ft from photos. Now information I am lacking is: Overall height Door height Height of bonnets Width Length I would also be interested to see any photos off the running gear in detail - brake arrangement etc if anyone has any? Any help, feedback and comments much appreciated. Cheers, James EDIT - very basic spelling error.

I have just received an email from Ultrascale. If there is enough interest David would consider looking at doing a wheelset for the outside cranked version. Current interest level appears to be just me at present.

Ah fantastic! A pair of both please! Erm...will you be doing any more "extra" detail parts for the Hornby Model?!

Found another picture if "Ruth" from post #1. Looks to be the same loco from behind. The coal pile on the left seems to be same, along with all the junk on the bonnets, and the junk behind the loco. I think you can make out the same rail joint in both photos the front wheel is over. Plus the trolley poles are in the correct position. This image came from the http://agenoria0gauge.com/abante/index.php?rt=product/category&path=68upcoming items tab. So if your into 7mm scale looks like you win! The loco are nearly identical to those at Spondon Power station (minus the battery vent lourves) of the Spondon examples (http://www.geoffspages.co.uk/raildiary/emidsodd_htm_files/111.jpg). One appears to be preserved at Electric Railway Museum (http://www.electricrailwaymuseum.co.uk/collect.htm) J

Awesome stuff Justin. Will be sending a request for some of these. Would you consider altering the etches to include RCH type W irons - I can see uses for this chassis under a whole bunch of PO coal hopper wagons used by the NCB and others. Cheers, James

Wizard/Comet make 7ft pressed steel side frames (BW1) spied it on their site. " David does! He had a sheet of siphon solebar/floor etches this afternoon. He plans to make them up as complete underframe kits with castings.Full details in next MRJ. Mike Wiltshire" If that ios the case then I might hold off on the purchasing of LMS underframes and all the gubbins that go with.....

So that would make them mostly diagram O33 then...? Looks like I might have to track down copy of the book then before I start hacking up my Siphon...!

Does anybody know what year the window where cut in some of the NMV coaches? Did all start off life as Ambulance coaches?

Would that be MJR 237?